Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?
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 EverybodyDannsNow  SE19 08 Mar 22 1.57pm |
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Originally posted by nead1
I am not sure what you are referring to as hogwash. Just for reference, it was on 18th Jan 2018 that Farage made the remarks. He also, of course, graphically posed in front of a giant poster showing queues of migrants - as untrue then as it is now. Britain as the senior partner in Europe? Not in my judgement it isn't despite all the highly convenient posturing of Johnson. More about his political survival than anything else as Rory Stewart so accurately outlined the other day. Supplying aid to Ukranians? Tell that to the 1m+ refugees who have been welcomed by Poland whereas we, by contrast, scramble around to open a processing centre in Calais; according to Patel there is one but in reality there isn't. The true colours of this Brexit led government are there for all to see. Clips today of the UK Visa application centre in Rzezsow, Poland - people queuing for hours on end in -3 temperatures, including children and elderly, and they won't open the doors. In Berlin strangers flooded the train station with signs outlining how many people they could offer a place to stay.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 08 Mar 22 2.17pm |
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Originally posted by nead1
I am not sure what you are referring to as hogwash. Just for reference, it was on 18th Jan 2018 that Farage made the remarks. He also, of course, graphically posed in front of a giant poster showing queues of migrants - as untrue then as it is now. Britain as the senior partner in Europe? Not in my judgement it isn't despite all the highly convenient posturing of Johnson. More about his political survival than anything else as Rory Stewart so accurately outlined the other day. Supplying aid to Ukranians? Tell that to the 1m+ refugees who have been welcomed by Poland whereas we, by contrast, scramble around to open a processing centre in Calais; according to Patel there is one but in reality there isn't. The true colours of this Brexit led government are there for all to see. Truss has said there is a pop in visa centre for Ukrainians its 75 miles away in Lille. What nasty piece of work Patel is, welcome to 'the hostile environment'.
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| Spiderman Horsham 08 Mar 22 2.44pm |
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As one on here who normally defends the Immigration policy, due mainly to 30+ years working for the department and seeing the abuse of the system by many. However the delay in issuing visas to these genuine refugees has left me speechless. BJ says we need to do all necessary checks, of course, but these are not done on the economic migrants crossing the Channel, so that argument in this crisis does not wash.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 08 Mar 22 2.59pm |
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Way too many on here posting in a fashion to suit their own political agendas. You should be ashamed of yourselves. This is one of if not the worst crises we have experienced in our lifetime, simple as that and yet some still cannot help but make any failings that arise into a party political broadcast. Let’s hope that at the end of all this we still have a country to manage and then you can lobby all you like.
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| nead1 08 Mar 22 3.02pm |
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Indeed - very different. If checks need to be done, why not handle this once the people are in the UK? If that then shows some kind of problem, surely there is then the option to deport? I personally suspect the reality of this is all tied in with the Brexit narrative. The officials involved (like the Border Force people at Gare du Nord) are only following the instructions of the Government as they understand them.
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| nead1 08 Mar 22 3.11pm |
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I also believe British families would be just as welcoming to Ukranian refugees as our European counterparts are demonstrating. I for one, would welcome people into my own home and I suspect their are countless others who would do likewise.
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BlueJay  UK 08 Mar 22 3.19pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
As one on here who normally defends the Immigration policy, due mainly to 30+ years working for the department and seeing the abuse of the system by many. However the delay in issuing visas to these genuine refugees has left me speechless. BJ says we need to do all necessary checks, of course, but these are not done on the economic migrants crossing the Channel, so that argument in this crisis does not wash. Yes, this is a fair observation in my view. We're seeing a rare coming together in the face of this invasion and the result of it, and so could do a little more in this department. As you say, so many men are staying to fight, and it must be a nightmare to anticipate what's coming and also worry for your family leaving in search of a safer place (and in term said families not knowing if they will ever see their husband or father again).
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Mar 22 3.22pm |
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Originally posted by nead1
One of the interesting aspects of this dreadful crisis that has emerged - fortunately in a positive sense - has been the role of the EU. Their response to the refugee crisis has been amazing, they have remained completely united thus far in pushing back on Putin and his cronies and the role they are prepared to play in a military sense has changed significantly. Perhaps, we should not be surprised given the origins of the old EEC in a post WW2 setting but it is nevertheless refreshing. When they need to act with speed, present a united front and show leadership they both can and will - a significant contrast to the UK's chaotic response vis a vis refugees for example. Of course, it was one Nigel Farage who predicted that post Brexit the EU would no longer exist! How wrong he was on that matter and so many other things! Can you please supply what EU leaders as a whole group, not individual countries on their own, have done compared to Boris Johnson? All I’m aware of is a phone call Putin had with Macron, and, well, nothing. Maybe you can explain what the EU has done, not what Poland and the German public have done/been able to do because of geography.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 08 Mar 22 3.33pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Can you please supply what EU leaders as a whole group, not individual countries on their own, have done compared to Boris Johnson? All I’m aware of is a phone call Putin had with Macron, and, well, nothing. Maybe you can explain what the EU has done, not what Poland and the German public have done/been able to do because of geography. 680 individuals have been subjected to EU asset freezes whilst we do not enforce any sanctions or restrictive measures as of yet, despite their being more Russian money in our country than anywhere else - there's been loads of high-profile examples within the EU including the French authorities confiscating a £100m yacht. That's before you even get onto their emergency visa scheme vs ours, which is nothing short of a disgrace.
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| Spiderman Horsham 08 Mar 22 3.33pm |
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Originally posted by nead1
Indeed - very different. If checks need to be done, why not handle this once the people are in the UK? If that then shows some kind of problem, surely there is then the option to deport? I personally suspect the reality of this is all tied in with the Brexit narrative. The officials involved (like the Border Force people at Gare du Nord) are only following the instructions of the Government as they understand them. Unfortunately as I have said many times, once in the UK very difficult, if not impossible to deport an asylum seeker. This is not the time to go into this, I do understand the need for checks but young children with their mothers, I suspect, are not a problem. 3 year temporary visa and assess then.
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| Spiderman Horsham 08 Mar 22 3.35pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
680 individuals have been subjected to EU asset freezes whilst we do not enforce any sanctions or restrictive measures as of yet, despite their being more Russian money in our country than anywhere else - there's been loads of high-profile examples within the EU including the French authorities confiscating a £100m yacht. That's before you even get onto their emergency visa scheme vs ours, which is nothing short of a disgrace. I have found it strange that we seem reluctant to impose sanctions on certain individuals. Maybe Abramovich is a British spy! Cannot understand why else he has not been sanctioned
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| Hrolf The Ganger 08 Mar 22 3.42pm |
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Originally posted by nead1
I am not sure what you are referring to as hogwash. Just for reference, it was on 18th Jan 2018 that Farage made the remarks. He also, of course, graphically posed in front of a giant poster showing queues of migrants - as untrue then as it is now. Britain as the senior partner in Europe? Not in my judgement it isn't despite all the highly convenient posturing of Johnson. More about his political survival than anything else as Rory Stewart so accurately outlined the other day. Supplying aid to Ukranians? Tell that to the 1m+ refugees who have been welcomed by Poland whereas we, by contrast, scramble around to open a processing centre in Calais; according to Patel there is one but in reality there isn't. The true colours of this Brexit led government are there for all to see. You obviously see life through a lens of excrement. You seriously expect Britain to just let anyone in with no evidence of who they are? That would be foolish in the extreme in these circumstances. Everyone is keen for the process to be speeded up to allow genuine victims of war come here if they wish. Poland is next door. That is why Ukranians have been 'welcomed' Britain is the most militarily powerful country in Europe outside of Russia. It also has American nukes on its soil. Your nonsense about the EU is meaningless. Farage and anyone who complains about illegals or the rate of immigration to this country is completely justified. In the case of Ukranians, there is an immediate and clear need to help these people. Contrast that with those who come here to leach off of our benefit system or open businesses but pay little or no tax. Ultimately, many who have left Ukraine will return when it is safe.
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