Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?
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 Stirlingsays  07 Mar 22 2.25pm |
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Originally posted by Grumbles
A more traditional Republican view but there is no doubt the far right of the Republican Party support Putin, similar to some on here. Apparently the 'far right' speak with one voice.
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| Grumbles 07 Mar 22 2.44pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Apparently the 'far right' speak with one voice. Do they use a ouija board?
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| kevlee born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 07 Mar 22 2.46pm |
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You aren’t suggesting Fox News would deliberately put up controversial commentators with extreme views to gain viewer numbers are you? Edited by kevlee (07 Mar 2022 2.47pm)
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BlueJay  UK 07 Mar 22 2.51pm |
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Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska has taken to Telegram to call for peace "as soon as possible" in Ukraine. Reacting to a TED talk by Israeli historian Yuval Noah Harari about Russia's invasion of Ukraine, he agreed with Harari that "we need peace". Deripaska - who founded some of Russia's largest industrial companies - added that the "whole world will be different, and Russia will be different" following the conflict. For all their wealth these Oligarchs are extremely careful in the language they use and how far they are willing to go. No doubt actual genuine criticism of the war would result in a terrible unfirtunate accident. Still, any basic level of criticism from those with money and power is a plush. Putins actions have single-handedly trashed his economy and the already dodgy perception of his country.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Mar 22 2.55pm |
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Originally posted by Grumbles
Do they use a ouija board? Might as well.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Mar 22 2.57pm |
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Originally posted by kevlee
You aren’t suggesting Fox News would deliberately put up controversial commentators with extreme views to gain viewer numbers are you? Edited by kevlee (07 Mar 2022 2.47pm) I couldn't possibly comment.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Mar 22 3.21pm |
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Whilst I completely approve of taking the tough line that the west has adopted I have had some nagging doubt that not all may be wise. Something I heard this morning crystallised those doubts. We want to put pressure on Putin. Not the Russian people. Ensuring they blame him for their problems must be the aim. If they start to blame us, his support will grow, rather than decline. Today I heard that may already be happening. His control over the media will drive public opinion that way whatever we do. So the attacks on the banks, central bank and oligarchs makes sense. Individual companies withdrawing from the Russian market less so. Hitting sporting events hurts perceptions, but not anyone's ability to survive. They may turn out to be the most potent weapon we have. Attacking pride will mean questions will be asked. What do others think?
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 eaglesdare 07 Mar 22 3.21pm |
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Got service request this morning from a customer (will leave customers name and my company nameless for obvious reasons) in the scope of tasks it says: "No Russian or Belarussian citizens." Make of that what you will. I find it hard on the normal russians who left russia and want nothing to do with putin and the war.
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| Stirlingsays 07 Mar 22 3.42pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Whilst I completely approve of taking the tough line that the west has adopted I have had some nagging doubt that not all may be wise. Something I heard this morning crystallised those doubts. We want to put pressure on Putin. Not the Russian people. Ensuring they blame him for their problems must be the aim. If they start to blame us, his support will grow, rather than decline. Today I heard that may already be happening. His control over the media will drive public opinion that way whatever we do. So the attacks on the banks, central bank and oligarchs makes sense. Individual companies withdrawing from the Russian market less so. Hitting sporting events hurts perceptions, but not anyone's ability to survive. They may turn out to be the most potent weapon we have. Attacking pride will mean questions will be asked. What do others think? While we differ on most I think this is obviously sensible. We have countless examples of what happens when you punish generally, it just creates a united résistance. People seem to think we can punish Russia and not suffer ourselves. I'm back from Tescos today, A fortnight shop that a few months back cost me £250 just cost me £320. And this is before we notice the massive rises to come. Support for Putin is always been high in Russia......I don't think hardline approaches will work and it's only pushing Russia towards China and two opposing world blocks.....People seem to think the west is the only show in town and it's very short sighted. Another cold war is a disaster for everyone.......I'm for negotiation and the peace of the possible. That way far fewer people will die and far fewer poor people will suffer for the ideologies and pride of the wealthy. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Mar 2022 3.43pm)
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 07 Mar 22 7.05pm |
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Zelenskiy: Comedian turned leader. The man is truly amazing. Western leaders turned comedians. We will sanction Russian into submission, whilst our own economies go bust.
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| Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 07 Mar 22 7.14pm |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Zelenskiy: Comedian turned leader. The man is truly amazing. Western leaders turned comedians. We will sanction Russian into submission, whilst our own economies go bust. Zelinskiy is addressing the Commons tomorrow via video link in case you're interested.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Mar 22 7.49pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
While we differ on most I think this is obviously sensible. We have countless examples of what happens when you punish generally, it just creates a united résistance. People seem to think we can punish Russia and not suffer ourselves. I'm back from Tescos today, A fortnight shop that a few months back cost me £250 just cost me £320. And this is before we notice the massive rises to come. Support for Putin is always been high in Russia......I don't think hardline approaches will work and it's only pushing Russia towards China and two opposing world blocks.....People seem to think the west is the only show in town and it's very short sighted. Another cold war is a disaster for everyone.......I'm for negotiation and the peace of the possible. That way far fewer people will die and far fewer poor people will suffer for the ideologies and pride of the wealthy. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Mar 2022 3.43pm) This isn't really the point I was trying to make. I agree we should adopt the hardline sanctions, on the central bank and commercial banks, withdrawing Swift even boycotting their oil. These will impact ordinary Russians but also us. I think we must be prepared for some very tough times for a while, and that it's both necessary and that the people will tolerate it. China will buy Russia's oil and gas, and we will take what they bought from the Middle East. A new Cold War is indeed a disaster and avoiding it very desirable but not at any cost. Ridding the world of Putin is essential and postponing doing it could easily create a bigger disaster. My point was about trying to ensure Putin, and not us, gets blamed by the Russian people, as much as possible. Companies, like Apple as an example, withdrawing from the market means the people will blame them for no longer being able to buy an iPhone, whilst if they were available, but now unaffordable because of the collapse of the ruble, then Putin is more likely to be blamed. So I would keep trading (the staff are still being paid), at least for the time being and only suspend activities when commercial activities decline so much that it would look stupid to continue.
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