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Badger11 Beckenham 10 Jun 19 7.29am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Well that was easy, next please. BBC News - UK signs post-Brexit free trade deal with South Korea [Link] One of the benefits of not being in a bloc of 28 nations is that you have less competing interests to worry about. We are the 5/6th largest economy in the world so other countries will want to trade with us. The stumbling bloc is when they want free access to a sector that we want to protect. As we are now on our own we don't have to worry about farmers in the rest of Europe who produce crops we don't as an example. Edited by Badger11 (10 Jun 2019 7.39am) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 10 Jun 19 7.29am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Well that was easy, next please.
BBC News - UK signs post-Brexit free trade deal with South Korea
[Link]

One of the benefits of not being in a bloc of 28 nations is that you have less competing interests to worry about.

We are the 5/6th largest economy in the world so other countries will want to trade with us. The stumbling bloc is when they want free access to a sector that we want to protect. As we are now on our own we don't have to worry about farmers in the rest of Europe who produce crops we don't as an example.

Edited by Badger11 (10 Jun 2019 7.39am)

One more point

palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 10 Jun 19 8.37am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Well that was easy, next please. BBC News - UK signs post-Brexit free trade deal with South Korea [Link] Looking forward to all those cheap dog burgers- yum yum!

palace_in_frogland

In a broken dream 10 Jun 19 8.37am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Well that was easy, next please.
BBC News - UK signs post-Brexit free trade deal with South Korea
[Link]

Looking forward to all those cheap dog burgers- yum yum!

dannyboy1978 10 Jun 19 10.34am
This drop is all May's fault. The manufacturers stop building cars because they don't know what's happening. BBC News - Fall in car production hits UK growth [Link]

dannyboy1978

10 Jun 19 10.34am

This drop is all May's fault.
The manufacturers stop building cars because they don't know what's happening.

BBC News - Fall in car production hits UK growth
[Link]

.TUX. 10 Jun 19 11.56am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 This drop is all May's fault. The manufacturers stop building cars because they don't know what's happening. BBC News - Fall in car production hits UK growth [Link] This is old news and little to do with Mrs May tbf. Global auto sales have been plunging for a long while (also nothing to do with Mrs May). Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

10 Jun 19 11.56am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

This drop is all May's fault.
The manufacturers stop building cars because they don't know what's happening.

BBC News - Fall in car production hits UK growth
[Link]

This is old news and little to do with Mrs May tbf.
Global auto sales have been plunging for a long while (also nothing to do with Mrs May).

Buy Litecoin.

Badger11 Beckenham 10 Jun 19 12.17pm
Originally posted by .TUX. This is old news and little to do with Mrs May tbf. Global auto sales have been plunging for a long while (also nothing to do with Mrs May). Agreed I have heard loads of car industry experts on this. China was the big growth market and that has slowed down big time. The rest of the world like the UK is now saying stop producing petrol and diesel cars. It's possibility happened a little too quick because the manufacturers are not yet ready to switch en masse to electric and the infrastructure in the UK is lagging. The hybrid car was initially seen as the stop gap solution but the public aren't buying into that. So over production plus buyer uncertainty are the issues. The solution is that the car manufacturers all need the same battery technology so rather than invest separately with money they don't have they are better off either merging or pooling their efforts with joint technology projects. Meanwhile it would help them if the UK government spent more on infrastructure and possibly offered an incentive to motorists to switch to the new technology. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 10 Jun 19 12.17pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

This is old news and little to do with Mrs May tbf.
Global auto sales have been plunging for a long while (also nothing to do with Mrs May).

Agreed I have heard loads of car industry experts on this. China was the big growth market and that has slowed down big time. The rest of the world like the UK is now saying stop producing petrol and diesel cars. It's possibility happened a little too quick because the manufacturers are not yet ready to switch en masse to electric and the infrastructure in the UK is lagging.

The hybrid car was initially seen as the stop gap solution but the public aren't buying into that.

So over production plus buyer uncertainty are the issues. The solution is that the car manufacturers all need the same battery technology so rather than invest separately with money they don't have they are better off either merging or pooling their efforts with joint technology projects.

Meanwhile it would help them if the UK government spent more on infrastructure and possibly offered an incentive to motorists to switch to the new technology.

One more point

.TUX. 10 Jun 19 1.32pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Agreed I have heard loads of car industry experts on this. China was the big growth market and that has slowed down big time. The rest of the world like the UK is now saying stop producing petrol and diesel cars. It's possibility happened a little too quick because the manufacturers are not yet ready to switch en masse to electric and the infrastructure in the UK is lagging. The hybrid car was initially seen as the stop gap solution but the public aren't buying into that. So over production plus buyer uncertainty are the issues. The solution is that the car manufacturers all need the same battery technology so rather than invest separately with money they don't have they are better off either merging or pooling their efforts with joint technology projects. Meanwhile it would help them if the UK government spent more on infrastructure and possibly offered an incentive to motorists to switch to the new technology. Yeah, some of the slowdown can be attributed to the 'fuel debate' but realistically most people are already living beyond their means and are just no longer in a position to keep fuelling this current bubble with further debt..............hence the global slowdown (most sectors) for the past year or so. Worrying times ahead. Buy Litecoin.

.TUX.

10 Jun 19 1.32pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Agreed I have heard loads of car industry experts on this. China was the big growth market and that has slowed down big time. The rest of the world like the UK is now saying stop producing petrol and diesel cars. It's possibility happened a little too quick because the manufacturers are not yet ready to switch en masse to electric and the infrastructure in the UK is lagging.

The hybrid car was initially seen as the stop gap solution but the public aren't buying into that.

Meanwhile it would help them if the UK government spent more on infrastructure and possibly offered an incentive to motorists to switch to the new technology.

Yeah, some of the slowdown can be attributed to the 'fuel debate' but realistically most people are already living beyond their means and are just no longer in a position to keep fuelling this current bubble with further debt..............hence the global slowdown (most sectors) for the past year or so.

Worrying times ahead.

Buy Litecoin.

Midlands Eagle 10 Jun 19 2.13pm
Originally posted by .TUX. This is old news and little to do with Mrs May tbf. Global auto sales have been plunging for a long while (also nothing to do with Mrs May). Yes and no. One of the major reasons for the slowdown is the government's message that diesel is bad which just isn't true. I drive a modern diesel with a Euro6 engine which is probably cleaner than most petrol engines but because the government haven't acknowledged this it means that manufacturers whose range is mainly diesel ( Jaguar and Land Rover ) are suffering. Plug in Hybrids aren't selling because the government has withdrawn their grants and people aren't willing to pay the extra for a hybrid

Midlands Eagle

10 Jun 19 2.13pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

This is old news and little to do with Mrs May tbf.
Global auto sales have been plunging for a long while (also nothing to do with Mrs May).

Yes and no.

One of the major reasons for the slowdown is the government's message that diesel is bad which just isn't true.

I drive a modern diesel with a Euro6 engine which is probably cleaner than most petrol engines but because the government haven't acknowledged this it means that manufacturers whose range is mainly diesel ( Jaguar and Land Rover ) are suffering.

Plug in Hybrids aren't selling because the government has withdrawn their grants and people aren't willing to pay the extra for a hybrid

Midlands Eagle 10 Jun 19 2.23pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Meanwhile it would help them if the UK government spent more on infrastructure and possibly offered an incentive to motorists to switch to the new technology. They did offer grants for people buying plug in hybrids but recently withdrew them so people stopped buying. As an example a BMW 5 series costs £38,000 for the most basic 2 litre petrol engine but the hybrid version costs another £9,000

Midlands Eagle

10 Jun 19 2.23pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Meanwhile it would help them if the UK government spent more on infrastructure and possibly offered an incentive to motorists to switch to the new technology.

They did offer grants for people buying plug in hybrids but recently withdrew them so people stopped buying.

As an example a BMW 5 series costs £38,000 for the most basic 2 litre petrol engine but the hybrid version costs another £9,000

Hrolf The Ganger 10 Jun 19 2.36pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Yes and no. One of the major reasons for the slowdown is the government's message that diesel is bad which just isn't true. I drive a modern diesel with a Euro6 engine which is probably cleaner than most petrol engines but because the government haven't acknowledged this it means that manufacturers whose range is mainly diesel ( Jaguar and Land Rover ) are suffering. Plug in Hybrids aren't selling because the government has withdrawn their grants and people aren't willing to pay the extra for a hybrid Surely it is the particulates in diesel that make it harmful because of the harm they can do to the cardiovascular system.

Hrolf The Ganger

10 Jun 19 2.36pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Yes and no.

One of the major reasons for the slowdown is the government's message that diesel is bad which just isn't true.

I drive a modern diesel with a Euro6 engine which is probably cleaner than most petrol engines but because the government haven't acknowledged this it means that manufacturers whose range is mainly diesel ( Jaguar and Land Rover ) are suffering.

Plug in Hybrids aren't selling because the government has withdrawn their grants and people aren't willing to pay the extra for a hybrid

Surely it is the particulates in diesel that make it harmful because of the harm they can do to the cardiovascular system.

Midlands Eagle 10 Jun 19 2.41pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Surely it is the particulates in diesel that make it harmful because of the harm they can do to the cardiovascular system. Euro6 engines remove most if not all of the particulates with a mixture of a particulate filter plus the AdBlue that converts the harmful NOx exhaust gases into harmless nitrogen and water

Midlands Eagle

10 Jun 19 2.41pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Surely it is the particulates in diesel that make it harmful because of the harm they can do to the cardiovascular system.

Euro6 engines remove most if not all of the particulates with a mixture of a particulate filter plus the AdBlue that converts the harmful NOx exhaust gases into harmless nitrogen and water

Hrolf The Ganger 10 Jun 19 3.24pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Euro6 engines remove most if not all of the particulates with a mixture of a particulate filter plus the AdBlue that converts the harmful NOx exhaust gases into harmless nitrogen and water I was not aware of this. I have never owned a diesel.

Hrolf The Ganger

10 Jun 19 3.24pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Euro6 engines remove most if not all of the particulates with a mixture of a particulate filter plus the AdBlue that converts the harmful NOx exhaust gases into harmless nitrogen and water

I was not aware of this.
I have never owned a diesel.

elgrande bedford 10 Jun 19 8.09pm
My lorry at work is a euro 6,and we fill up with diesel and have a separate tank for ad blue. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 10 Jun 19 8.09pm

My lorry at work is a euro 6,and we fill up with diesel and have a separate tank for ad blue.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

Rubin 11 Jun 19 11.14pm
Positive article in the Times. Hopefully it will allay the fears of some remainers, those that are concerned about supposed economic issues/job losses that some say would arise in the case of a no deal Brexit. I would question how politically motivated the responses of the CEOs in the EU are, when contrasted with those outside of the EU. [Link] "Business leaders from some of Britain’s most important trading partners expect to be more eager to invest in the UK after Brexit, according to a survey. A poll of 1,300 chief executives in 11 of the world’s largest economies found bosses from the US, China and Japan — the UK’s top investor and the world’s second and third biggest economies — expect to be more likely to invest in Britain after it leaves the European Union. KPMG, which conducted the poll, said it showed many international chief executives “still view the UK as an attractive investment destination”. However, chief executives in the EU were significantly less inclined to invest in the UK after Brexit."

Rubin

11 Jun 19 11.14pm

Positive article in the Times. Hopefully it will allay the fears of some remainers, those that are concerned about supposed economic issues/job losses that some say would arise in the case of a no deal Brexit.

I would question how politically motivated the responses of the CEOs in the EU are, when contrasted with those outside of the EU.

[Link]

"Business leaders from some of Britain’s most important trading partners expect to be more eager to invest in the UK after Brexit, according to a survey.

A poll of 1,300 chief executives in 11 of the world’s largest economies found bosses from the US, China and Japan — the UK’s top investor and the world’s second and third biggest economies — expect to be more likely to invest in Britain after it leaves the European Union.

KPMG, which conducted the poll, said it showed many international chief executives “still view the UK as an attractive investment destination”. However, chief executives in the EU were significantly less inclined to invest in the UK after Brexit."

Maine Eagle USA 12 Jun 19 2.38pm
Straight from the horses mouth, Boris does not want a no deal exit at all, but wants to keep in on the table for negotiating a new deal. Another Tory who thinks the EU will bend over and allow a new deal to be thrashed out. I was thinking he would get up there and laud the values of a WTO exit, doing his best Farage impression. He may have lost some ERG support there as several other candidates seem to be more hardline than what I just heard. Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Maine Eagle

USA 12 Jun 19 2.38pm

Straight from the horses mouth, Boris does not want a no deal exit at all, but wants to keep in on the table for negotiating a new deal.

Another Tory who thinks the EU will bend over and allow a new deal to be thrashed out.

I was thinking he would get up there and laud the values of a WTO exit, doing his best Farage impression.

He may have lost some ERG support there as several other candidates seem to be more hardline than what I just heard.

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

dannyboy1978 12 Jun 19 4.23pm
May properly f***ed this country [Link] What the hell has she been doing?

dannyboy1978

12 Jun 19 4.23pm

May properly f***ed this country
[Link]

What the hell has she been doing?

Maine Eagle USA 12 Jun 19 4.33pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 May properly f*ed this country [Link] What the hell has she been doing? You have to have a screw loose to think no deal is not a huge disaster in waiting. People who think a "WTO" exit is a good idea are 1 - in a big minority and 2 - in cloud cuckoo land. For May the writing was on the wall long ago that a no deal exit would not get through parliament, and I honestly think she didnt want to be the PM that shot the country in the foot and triggered the worst recession in recent memory. Trying to run a negotiation with a threat of a mutually unpleasant outcome, which everyone knows is highly unlikely, to try to force your own agenda is not so easy. I am not saying Theresa May didnt f* up virtually every major decision, but dont listen to Farage when he makes it sound like concluding a WA with the EU is a piece of piss and he could have done so much better. He has burned all bridges long ago in the EU. You cannot secure good outcomes with people you have existing bad relationships with, it just doesnt work that way. Dangling no deal could be moot soon, if a cross party group of MPs get their way, as they will legally block any possible method of no deal (prorogue etc). Many MPs are quite seriously afraid of a new tory leader trying to force no deal through, so they want to stop that at all costs. Keeping it on the table as a negotiation point is secondary to that concern. [Link] Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Maine Eagle

USA 12 Jun 19 4.33pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

May properly f***ed this country
[Link]

What the hell has she been doing?

You have to have a screw loose to think no deal is not a huge disaster in waiting. People who think a "WTO" exit is a good idea are 1 - in a big minority and 2 - in cloud cuckoo land.

For May the writing was on the wall long ago that a no deal exit would not get through parliament, and I honestly think she didnt want to be the PM that shot the country in the foot and triggered the worst recession in recent memory.

Trying to run a negotiation with a threat of a mutually unpleasant outcome, which everyone knows is highly unlikely, to try to force your own agenda is not so easy.

I am not saying Theresa May didnt f*** up virtually every major decision, but dont listen to Farage when he makes it sound like concluding a WA with the EU is a piece of piss and he could have done so much better. He has burned all bridges long ago in the EU. You cannot secure good outcomes with people you have existing bad relationships with, it just doesnt work that way.

Dangling no deal could be moot soon, if a cross party group of MPs get their way, as they will legally block any possible method of no deal (prorogue etc).

Many MPs are quite seriously afraid of a new tory leader trying to force no deal through, so they want to stop that at all costs. Keeping it on the table as a negotiation point is secondary to that concern.

[Link]

Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Spiderman Horsham 12 Jun 19 8.40pm
Originally posted by Maine Eagle You have to have a screw loose to think no deal is not a huge disaster in waiting. People who think a "WTO" exit is a good idea are 1 - in a big minority and 2 - in cloud cuckoo land. For May the writing was on the wall long ago that a no deal exit would not get through parliament, and I honestly think she didnt want to be the PM that shot the country in the foot and triggered the worst recession in recent memory. Trying to run a negotiation with a threat of a mutually unpleasant outcome, which everyone knows is highly unlikely, to try to force your own agenda is not so easy. I am not saying Theresa May didnt f*** up virtually every major decision, but dont listen to Farage when he makes it sound like concluding a WA with the EU is a piece of piss and he could have done so much better. He has burned all bridges long ago in the EU. You cannot secure good outcomes with people you have existing bad relationships with, it just doesnt work that way. Dangling no deal could be moot soon, if a cross party group of MPs get their way, as they will legally block any possible method of no deal (prorogue etc). Many MPs are quite seriously afraid of a new tory leader trying to force no deal through, so they want to stop that at all costs. Keeping it on the table as a negotiation point is secondary to that concern. [Link] Presumably this is your opinion. If fact, please supply a link.

Spiderman

Horsham 12 Jun 19 8.40pm

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

You have to have a screw loose to think no deal is not a huge disaster in waiting. People who think a "WTO" exit is a good idea are 1 - in a big minority and 2 - in cloud cuckoo land.

Trying to run a negotiation with a threat of a mutually unpleasant outcome, which everyone knows is highly unlikely, to try to force your own agenda is not so easy.

Dangling no deal could be moot soon, if a cross party group of MPs get their way, as they will legally block any possible method of no deal (prorogue etc).

[Link]

Presumably this is your opinion. If fact, please supply a link.

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 12 Jun 19 9.47pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Presumably this is your opinion. If fact, please supply a link. The part about WTO, ie a hard Brexit, is correct. Polling at the time of the vote and various data since details the fragmentation of the leave vote vs the singularity of the remain vote. Leave means many things to different people and represented many different reasons for voting out - one of which was hard (wto) the others a Norway or Canada style deal etc. This puts the hard Brexit crowd in the minority against the rest of the reasons for voting either leave or remain. This is old ground. When I get a chance I’ll dig out a few references for you but we have been here before. Not everyone that voted leave wanted a hard Brexit, and it incenses me when people claim that it did. It’s even more infuriating when they go so far as to say it represented a majority within the leave vote, and for some reason talk like their reason for voting leave is the same as everyone else that also voted leave. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, it’s utter bollocks. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 12 Jun 19 9.47pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Presumably this is your opinion. If fact, please supply a link.

The part about WTO, ie a hard Brexit, is correct. Polling at the time of the vote and various data since details the fragmentation of the leave vote vs the singularity of the remain vote.

Leave means many things to different people and represented many different reasons for voting out - one of which was hard (wto) the others a Norway or Canada style deal etc.

This puts the hard Brexit crowd in the minority against the rest of the reasons for voting either leave or remain.

This is old ground.

When I get a chance I’ll dig out a few references for you but we have been here before. Not everyone that voted leave wanted a hard Brexit, and it incenses me when people claim that it did. It’s even more infuriating when they go so far as to say it represented a majority within the leave vote, and for some reason talk like their reason for voting leave is the same as everyone else that also voted leave. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, it’s utter bollocks.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 12 Jun 19 9.56pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC The part about WTO, ie a hard Brexit, is correct. Polling at the time of the vote and various data since details the fragmentation of the leave vote vs the singularity of the remain vote. Leave means many things to different people and represented many different reasons for voting out - one of which was hard (wto) the others a Norway or Canada style deal etc. This puts the hard Brexit crowd in the minority against the rest of the reasons for voting either leave or remain. This is old ground. When I get a chance I’ll dig out a few references for you but we have been here before. Not everyone that voted leave wanted a hard Brexit, and it incenses me when people claim that it did. It’s even more infuriating when they go so far as to say it represented a majority within the leave vote, and for some reason talk like their reason for voting leave is the same as everyone else that also voted leave. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, it’s utter bollocks. What isn't though is that through bad or worse we voted 52% to 48% to leave Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 12 Jun 19 9.56pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

The part about WTO, ie a hard Brexit, is correct. Polling at the time of the vote and various data since details the fragmentation of the leave vote vs the singularity of the remain vote.

Leave means many things to different people and represented many different reasons for voting out - one of which was hard (wto) the others a Norway or Canada style deal etc.

This puts the hard Brexit crowd in the minority against the rest of the reasons for voting either leave or remain.

This is old ground.

What isn't though is that through bad or worse we voted 52% to 48% to leave

Pro USA & Israel

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 12 Jun 19 10.09pm
Originally posted by Jimenez What isn't though is that through bad or worse we voted 52% to 48% to leave Christ. Cheers for the truism. Not what we’re talking about though is it. We are talking about the validity of the claim that the no deal split of the leave vote is a minority or not. Not whether we should or should not leave. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 12 Jun 19 10.09pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

What isn't though is that through bad or worse we voted 52% to 48% to leave

Christ. Cheers for the truism.

Not what we’re talking about though is it.

We are talking about the validity of the claim that the no deal split of the leave vote is a minority or not.

Not whether we should or should not leave.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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