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 chris123  hove actually 08 Dec 18 10.42am |
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Originally posted by Willo
Latest survey amonst Conservative Party members reveals that 71.5% want MPs to vote down the deal whilst 26% do not want MPs to do so. I'm hardly surprised as this very much reflects the views of many,many members I have spoken to. There's only so many options given the need for a backstop to protect the Irish border. Norway doesn't work because of free movement. So given that no one is thrilled with the 'deal' and no one else has come up with a workable alternative - I really think we have a choice. Deal or WTO.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Dec 18 10.57am |
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Originally posted by chris123
There's only so many options given the need for a backstop to protect the Irish border. Norway doesn't work because of free movement. So given that no one is thrilled with the 'deal' and no one else has come up with a workable alternative - I really think we have a choice. Deal or WTO. Deal or No deal ? This whole Backstop arrangement represents a total capitulation to the EU.If somehow this was removed or amended, this would seal the deal but the EU are insistent that without this backstop there isn't a deal. I accept that 'Norway' with it's free movement is not what the people voted for. We have heard of 'Norway plus', 'Canada plus plus' etc etc etc. I get a sense that the electorate have got bore rigid by all of this ! Edited by Willo (08 Dec 2018 11.05am)
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 becky over the moon 08 Dec 18 11.10am |
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Originally posted by chris123
There's only so many options given the need for a backstop to protect the Irish border. Norway doesn't work because of free movement. So given that no one is thrilled with the 'deal' and no one else has come up with a workable alternative - I really think we have a choice. Deal or WTO. I read somewhere that under the terms of Article 50, we can actually leave with no deal, and if the EU agree, we can continue to trade exactly as we have been doing (provided that we maintain the current standards of trade) for a period not exceeding 10 years, whilst we come to mutually acceptable arrangements........ strangely, no-one else seems to have mentioned this.
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| chris123 hove actually 08 Dec 18 11.23am |
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Originally posted by becky
I read somewhere that under the terms of Article 50, we can actually leave with no deal, and if the EU agree, we can continue to trade exactly as we have been doing (provided that we maintain the current standards of trade) for a period not exceeding 10 years, whilst we come to mutually acceptable arrangements........ strangely, no-one else seems to have mentioned this. Article 50 is the trigger to leave and not much more, the terms of the withdrawal is by separate negotiation (I think).
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| chris123 hove actually 08 Dec 18 11.26am |
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Originally posted by Willo
Deal or No deal ? This whole Backstop arrangement represents a total capitulation to the EU.If somehow this was removed or amended, this would seal the deal but the EU are insistent that without this backstop there isn't a deal. I accept that 'Norway' with it's free movement is not what the people voted for. We have heard of 'Norway plus', 'Canada plus plus' etc etc etc. I get a sense that the electorate have got bore rigid by all of this ! Edited by Willo (08 Dec 2018 11.05am) It's also protecting the Good Friday Agreement border issues.
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| Stirlingsays 08 Dec 18 12.03pm |
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Amber Rudd is another remainer.....it's painfully obvious that she's offering up a worse deal to try to sell the PM's dog's dinner. I don't give a monkey's what deal a remainer thinks is on. This process should have been headed by a Brexiter and frankly without one we haven't had a real negotiation......Davies resigned because the PM capitulated. This deal won't pass whatever Amber (positioning herself) Rudd thinks......I hope to soon see the day when she has zero influence on anything politically significant.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Dec 18 12.24pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Amber Rudd is another remainer.....it's painfully obvious that she's offering up a worse deal to try to sell the PM's dog's dinner. I don't give a monkey's what deal a remainer thinks is on. This process should have been headed by a Brexiter and frankly without one we haven't had a real negotiation......Davies resigned because the PM capitulated. This deal won't pass whatever Amber (positioning herself) Rudd thinks......I hope to soon see the day when she has zero influence on anything politically significant. One never heard of David Davis for quite a while and Olly Robbins became very prominent.A brexiteer in Raab was appointed but by then the train was way down the line.
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| Stirlingsays 08 Dec 18 12.28pm |
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Originally posted by steve1984
If Nick Gussett was intent on hiding his identity, then why would he share considerable details about himself that provide evidence of the fact that he isn't Nick Gussett? Either Steve1984 made it all up and he really is Nick Gussett or alternatively Steve1984 isn't Nick Gussett. Or maybe I'm Father Christmas?
Still, whoever you are, it doesn't matter to me. You have the right to your opinion and while I don't speak for the mods, we don't censor politically here. Unlike some other places.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 08 Dec 18 12.32pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Still, whoever you are, it doesn't matter to me. You have the right to your opinion and while I don't speak for the mods, we don't censor politically here. Unlike some other places.
Haha. You want to bet?
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| Stirlingsays 08 Dec 18 12.39pm |
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Well, I could be wrong of course....it happened once back in 94.
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| steve1984 08 Dec 18 1.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
...though you did go off on a slightly left field rant about Mengele. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2018 12.30pm) Yes you're right I did. Sorry. Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Still, whoever you are, it doesn't matter to me. You have the right to your opinion and while I don't speak for the mods, we don't censor politically here. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2018 12.30pm) No you (plural) hound people by referring to them for example as Labour rent boys instead.
Edited by steve1984 (08 Dec 2018 1.30pm)
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| steve1984 08 Dec 18 1.31pm | |
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Sherlock Holmes has got nothing on you. Love Nick.
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