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 Stirlingsays  25 Mar 19 8.40am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Analysing, reflecting and reading between the lines to try to understand what the all the parsing means. The Mueller report is not, and never was going to be, anything more than part of a process. There is as much left unsaid as said by the Barr summary. A summary produced by an AJ appointed by Trump. Only when Congress gets the whole report, it's committees have all done their work, and the various jurisdictions preparing indictments have all concluded. will any objective judgements be possible. That won't stop the Trump cult members crowing and claiming complete vindication but there is much water to flow under the bridge yet so I would not be laughing too loudly just yet if I were Trump. He certainly acts guilty for an innocent man. Well fair play to you for coming onto the thread. But it's already been said that there will be no more indictments. What you are talking about is the desperate meowings of democratic party activists and mainstream media who are trying to cover for the fact that they have been lying to their supporters for years now. All of Trump's team and dealings have been poured over massively....Yet with Clinton it was a complete joke. The left and the media, who are losing even more credibility will look for anything...of that I have little doubt. They will look for anything they can possibly make more media about and talk up...but it will result in no more convictions....and nothing over collusion. They lied.....Politicians, activists and media lied....imagine my shock. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2019 9.59am)
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| Stirlingsays 25 Mar 19 9.33am |
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Sargon is understandably having fun with this.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 25 Mar 19 10.17am |
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Yet again proves that CNN, MSNBC, the Washington Post, New York times et al are not made up of respected journalists but activists for the Democratic party.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Mar 19 10.46am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Special prosecutors are meant to be independent they are in fact creatures of the people who appoint them. They rarely stick to the task they are giving and and end up just muck raking as has happened here. This is not just a moan about the Democrats, Republicans did the same with President Clinton. The whole process stinks of partisan politics and does an injustice to the American people. I don't doubt that there are things in Trumps past he would like to keep quiet but not exonerating him after finding no evidence seems petty and speaks more about Mueller than it does the president. Hopefully politicians on both sides will realise that this type of investigation is harmful to politics and ensure that in future the parameters are clearly defined. It's ironic that in the USA if you have a warrant to search for drugs and find something else that is illegal and no drugs it is quite likely that the judge will throw the search out as a "fishing expedition" and yet it is OK to do that with the president. Back at the beginning one of the triggers for all this was an British intelligence officer who made all sorts of lurid claims about Trump and Russian prostitutes. It may have escaped attention by the media but in court the other week he admitted his source of "intel" was a social media forum, in other words no creditable source at all. A very good post. There really needs to be a coming together of the sensible people within both parties and a serious attempt made to clean up the abuses of the system. We can see how both parties abuse and manipulate to suit agendas and it all amounts to a corruption justified by bias. True objectivity may be impossible.....but if we don't have enough people committed to truth over agenda we are in trouble.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Mar 19 10.54am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
How is the UK version of Russian interference in elections going? I always assumed it was nonsense. Walking to the poll in Croydon Central last election I was expecting a black car to pull up any moment and remove me to the Lubianka for interrogation. Alas no gulag for me........
I have little doubt there is interference by countries like Russia and China. The opportunity is there for them and I have no doubt we (the west) interfere in Russia's interests....or to be more accurate Putin's. I just require evidence and I don't like media that present claims as truth to make money off of people's bias. I don't know what the answer is. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2019 10.57am)
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 25 Mar 19 12.03pm |
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| Badger11 Beckenham 25 Mar 19 2.45pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
How is the UK version of Russian interference in elections going? I always assumed it was nonsense. Walking to the poll in Croydon Central last election I was expecting a black car to pull up any moment and remove me to the Lubianka for interrogation. Alas no gulag for me........
I'm off to Russia in May and will be visiting the Kremlin so if you need me to drop anything off just let me know, documents, microfilm etc.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 25 Mar 19 6.14pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
I'm off to Russia in May and will be visiting the Kremlin so if you need me to drop anything off just let me know, documents, microfilm etc.
You are joining in the parade? I always wanted to drive one of those massive missile launchers.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 25 Mar 19 6.51pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
You are joining in the parade? I always wanted to drive one of those massive missile launchers. Correct I think I might be over compensating.
Edited by Badger11 (25 Mar 2019 6.51pm)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 25 Mar 19 7.02pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Originally posted by ASCPFC
You are joining in the parade? I always wanted to drive one of those massive missile launchers. Correct I think I might be over compensating.
Edited by Badger11 (25 Mar 2019 6.51pm) I have 2 seats in Block F for May 1st but they are 100 dollars each. Its not like the old days in the USSR when you could get in for nothing.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 19 8.34pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well fair play to you for coming onto the thread. But it's already been said that there will be no more indictments. What you are talking about is the desperate meowings of democratic party activists and mainstream media who are trying to cover for the fact that they have been lying to their supporters for years now. All of Trump's team and dealings have been poured over massively....Yet with Clinton it was a complete joke. The left and the media, who are losing even more credibility will look for anything...of that I have little doubt. They will look for anything they can possibly make more media about and talk up...but it will result in no more convictions....and nothing over collusion. They lied.....Politicians, activists and media lied....imagine my shock. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2019 9.59am) That's not what I am reading. Which is that there really is a lot of very clever parsing both in the summary and the report itself and that whilst the OSC won't be raising any more prosecutions that doesn't mean that others won't, or already have under seal. Also the AJ could not compromise an indictment by making any kind of comment on it, or the defence would use that to suggest the jury was influenced. So saying there won't be any more indictments doesn't mean there won't be any more indictments. This is very far from over.
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| .TUX. 25 Mar 19 8.40pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's not what I am reading. Which is that there really is a lot of very clever parsing both in the summary and the report itself and that whilst the OSC won't be raising any more prosecutions that doesn't mean that others won't, or already have under seal. Also the AJ could not compromise an indictment by making any kind of comment on it, or the defence would use that to suggest the jury was influenced. So saying there won't be any more indictments doesn't mean there won't be any more indictments. This is very far from over. Were you this aggrieved when Obama was in power as that man ruined the 'average Joe.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Mar 19 10.26pm |
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Originally posted by .TUX.
Were you this aggrieved when Obama was in power as that man ruined the 'average Joe. No I wasn't because Obama did not ruin the "average Joe". He did his best to improve the conditions for the "average Joe"! The problem with so many is that they equate the "average Joe" with themselves. Obama was the best POTUS in the last 50 years, in my opinion. He took over a mess, faced an obstructionist Congress but still managed to turn the economy around, start the process towards a universal health care system, improve diversity and acceptance of differentness and recognised the need to address climate change. Compared to Trump the man is a giant of his time.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Mar 19 10.44pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
So saying there won't be any more indictments doesn't mean there won't be any more indictments. This is very far from over.
If there is something to make a drama over I'm sure the democrats will find it. The ethics and double standards over it all however are a standing joke.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 25 Mar 19 11.29pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No I wasn't because Obama did not ruin the "average Joe". He did his best to improve the conditions for the "average Joe"! The problem with so many is that they equate the "average Joe" with themselves. Obama was the best POTUS in the last 50 years, in my opinion. He took over a mess, faced an obstructionist Congress but still managed to turn the economy around, start the process towards a universal health care system, improve diversity and acceptance of differentness and recognised the need to address climate change. Compared to Trump the man is a giant of his time. Hilarious! Obama presided over the SLOWEST recovery since World War 2. [Link] Race relations got WORSE under Obama. The Black Lives Matter movement happened under his watch. Then you have Republicans and Democrats MORE divided than ever. Pew Research data [Link] Obama Care is not universally popular at all. Climate change? What did he do, apart from virtue signal? You fail to mention Obama's foreign policy achievements.
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