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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 15 Aug 19 11.31am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Chlorine wash chicken is just an excuse the EU has used to protect it's farmers. The EU report clearly stated there was no problem with a chlorine wash which is used in pre packed salads. However its did state that use of it "might" lead to a lowering of compliance to health standards. In other words the abettor workers might get lazy and not do their job properly. Well you could say that about anything. In any case we do not have to sign a trade deal with the US if we don't want to. We have managed to trade with the US so far without one. Part of taking back control is for Parliament to make these decisions. As someone who worked in the food industry I don't have any problem with chlorine washed chicken anymore than I do with GM which I believe is an essential part of securing the world's future food security. I do though have issues with the overuse of hormones in beef production. More than that though is the general approach to food standards in the USA when compared to the EU. The EU run a science based regime, where everything is subjected to fact checking and scrutiny before approval. If it isn't safe then you aren't going to be able to use it. The USA's approach is much less science based and more pragmatic. It's politically sensitive to the needs of the farmers and not to the consumers. In the age of Trump that isn't going to change. Nobody should fool themselves. Any new trade deals with the USA won't be designed by the USA to do anything other than benefit them, whilst Trump is the POTUS. In any case Pelosi has already said that no new trade deals will pass Congress that threaten the integrity of the Good Friday Agreement, thus shooting down everything Bolton said about an easy passage and cross party co-operation.
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cryrst  The garden of England 15 Aug 19 12.31pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Provided it is for a short time I think that is quite reasonable from JC. But any hint of unity over brexit is shot down immediately, it has no chance. Every MP has his/her own brexit and they are not budging, it is like 650 dictators. Even Her Majesties broadcast for unity bombed. You know what I think, scrap it before there is civil war.
Do you really think JC would relinquish.
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| Mapletree Croydon 15 Aug 19 12.43pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
That story is getting borring. I bet loads of people wash their fruit under the tap before they eat it, common sence tells You to. Secondly I'll bet my house most of the remoaners that have been to the U.S. have eaten chicken and none have questioned if it's been washed. The remoaners are really clutching at straws, but I guess they Can enjoy their throat killed chicken that's had a song played to it, nope nothing wrong with that is there. And in any case if your really worried about EU standards.
Edited by dannyboy1978 (15 Aug 2019 9.46am) It isn't about chlorinated chicken, that's just become a watch word. There are so many reasons this is a problem, standards are massively different. And it's not like the occasional breach in the standards, it's a whole different philosophy.
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| Mapletree Croydon 15 Aug 19 12.46pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Have you any comment on the link I posted regarding the chlorinated salad and vegetables we import from the EU? I do I am not concerned about chlorination I am concerned that, by relying upon chlorination, the US pays less attention to other elements of its food chain. It has far more problems with serious food related illnesses than the EU, as I have previously posted too many times. I was in the US when the spinach crisis happened, that wasn't nice.
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| Mapletree Croydon 15 Aug 19 12.48pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
It's funny how some can only see problems without solutions. How do they operate in business I wonder. If that's a pop at me, with caution when it comes to food, the treatment of vulnerable people or any other high risk area. The scale of potential issues is massive.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 Aug 19 3.41pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As someone who worked in the food industry I don't have any problem with chlorine washed chicken anymore than I do with GM which I believe is an essential part of securing the world's future food security. I do though have issues with the overuse of hormones in beef production. More than that though is the general approach to food standards in the USA when compared to the EU. The EU run a science based regime, where everything is subjected to fact checking and scrutiny before approval. If it isn't safe then you aren't going to be able to use it. The USA's approach is much less science based and more pragmatic. It's politically sensitive to the needs of the farmers and not to the consumers. In the age of Trump that isn't going to change. Nobody should fool themselves. Any new trade deals with the USA won't be designed by the USA to do anything other than benefit them, whilst Trump is the POTUS. In any case Pelosi has already said that no new trade deals will pass Congress that threaten the integrity of the Good Friday Agreement, thus shooting down everything Bolton said about an easy passage and cross party co-operation. I wouldn't mind knowing how a US trade deal threatens the Good Friday Agreement. The two are completely unrelated. If some terrorists kick off in NI then that has nothing to do with Britain's trade.
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| chris123 hove actually 15 Aug 19 3.54pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
If that's a pop at me, with caution when it comes to food, the treatment of vulnerable people or any other high risk area. The scale of potential issues is massive. An observation on risk without any mitigation - which seems to me to be a recurring theme.
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| Mapletree Croydon 15 Aug 19 10.49pm |
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Originally posted by ChrisGC
Dunno how we've got onto chlorine washed chickens, desperation I suppose! Ever more instances of ridiculous fear mongering will manifest as the dying corpse of remain rattles it's last breath. We manage the gas leak detection monitoring at several massive chicken slaughter houses and believe me, a spray of chlorine is not going to make any difference to the safety of consuming the birds. They can, trust me. Try looking at the rates of food related illness by country. Slaughter houses are, of course, not places for the squeamish.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Aug 19 10.58pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I wouldn't mind knowing how a US trade deal threatens the Good Friday Agreement. The two are completely unrelated. If some terrorists kick off in NI then that has nothing to do with Britain's trade. It's a no deal Brexit which threatens the Good Friday Agreement! Pelosi is simply saying that Congress won't allow a trade deal to help facilitate that.
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 becky over the moon 16 Aug 19 10.44am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's a no deal Brexit which threatens the Good Friday Agreement! Pelosi is simply saying that Congress won't allow a trade deal to help facilitate that. It's the Irish Government that is threatening the Good Friday Agreement ! We have said we will not put a hard border, we have given them ways to get round having a hard border, but the Irish have always enjoyed being difficult - they seem to have nothing better to do - and the Pelosi threat is a great way to latch on to the American-Irish voters.
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| ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 16 Aug 19 10.59am |
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Originally posted by becky
It's the Irish Government that is threatening the Good Friday Agreement ! We have said we will not put a hard border, we have given them ways to get round having a hard border, but the Irish have always enjoyed being difficult - they seem to have nothing better to do - and the Pelosi threat is a great way to latch on to the American-Irish voters. The only people threatening the Good Friday Agreement are terrorists. They don't have the backing of the community any more hopefully. There is a rise in British-bashing across the whole EU since Brexit though and particularly in Ireland where it is used to sidetrack against the government's incompetence. There are problems here that just aren't getting sorted. Housing is impossible and the health service non-existant.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Aug 19 11.01am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
According to the Lib Dems Harriet Harmon and Ken Clarke are ready to lead an emergency government. I don't believe a Unity government led by them will happen. Leaving aside the matter of would they get the votes, if Clarke was to go into coalition with Labour and others this would effectively destroy the Tory party. I am not sure he is prepared to do that, vote against a no deal certainly, destroy his own party? In 1939 faced with a world war Clement Attlee took the statesmen's decision to join with the Tories. This was the official policy of Labour and he took his party with him into government. This was not the action of a group of rebels. The Tory members have just voted for a leader who made it clear he would leave without a deal if he had to. The Remain candidates sank without trace. Clarke could go into coalition but he and the other rebels would be sacked from the Tory party as there is no mandate or majority in the Tory party for this action. So does Clarke want to be remembered as the man who split the Tory party? Tory members are a pretty loyal bunch but I don't think they would forgive this and the rebels would be deselected by their local party and or voted out by the electorate. If Corbyn can win a vote of no confidince I can see some Tory MP's abstaining if he tried to form a coalition government and the odd one may join him. However I think the vast majority of Tory MP's will back Boris any coalition will not include a large number of Tories. That there are MPs, like Ken Clarke, with sufficient principles to put the country's interests before either their own or their Party's is something we should all welcome. That is, after all, their duty and what we pay them to do. Clarke though would not "destroy the Tory Party". The seeds for that when it lurched to the right. Unless and until it once again moves to the centre ground is is destined to become a fringe party, sometimes in coalition and sometimes not. Exactly how this will play out is as unclear to me as to everyone else but I suspect some very careful calculations will be made to ensure that Parliament control what happens and not Bogus Johnson, a PM chosen not by us but a small group of activists from the Tory shires. That they voted him in on a platform of a "no-deal" Brexit is no reason at all why our Parliament should accept it and I am sure they won't. Whether it's Corbyn as a temporary PM, with no mandate to do anything except call an election, or another compromise choice, remains to be seen but that seems the most likely outcome.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Aug 19 11.09am |
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Originally posted by becky
It's the Irish Government that is threatening the Good Friday Agreement ! We have said we will not put a hard border, we have given them ways to get round having a hard border, but the Irish have always enjoyed being difficult - they seem to have nothing better to do - and the Pelosi threat is a great way to latch on to the American-Irish voters. Playing the blame game gets us no-where. Clearly whatever "ways" have been suggested are either not practical or politically acceptable or they would by now have replaced the "backstop". I haven't read any "ways" at all beyond some theoretical ideas. If the security forces are concerned about the threat of violence returning I am not really interested in whose fault it is. I just don't want it to happen.
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| W12 16 Aug 19 11.55am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That there are MPs, like Ken Clarke, with sufficient principles to put the country's interests before either their own or their Party's is something we should all welcome. That is, after all, their duty and what we pay them to do. Clarke though would not "destroy the Tory Party". The seeds for that when it lurched to the right. Unless and until it once again moves to the centre ground is is destined to become a fringe party, sometimes in coalition and sometimes not. Exactly how this will play out is as unclear to me as to everyone else but I suspect some very careful calculations will be made to ensure that Parliament control what happens and not Bogus Johnson, a PM chosen not by us but a small group of activists from the Tory shires. That they voted him in on a platform of a "no-deal" Brexit is no reason at all why our Parliament should accept it and I am sure they won't. Whether it's Corbyn as a temporary PM, with no mandate to do anything except call an election, or another compromise choice, remains to be seen but that seems the most likely outcome. "lurched to the right" It's been lurching left for decades There are not many socially conservatives left in the party. Boris certainly isn't.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 16 Aug 19 11.59am |
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Originally posted by W12
"lurched to the right" It's been lurching left for decades There are not many socially conservatives left in the party. Boris certainly isn't. The UK has had a right-wing coup only 3 weeks ago.
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| Midlands Eagle 16 Aug 19 12.25pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
All Pelosi is doing is react to Trump trying to influence Brexit. Ireland is a member of the EU and it is Trump's interference that is the root of the problem. The EU is rightly concerned about the impact of a no deal Brexit on the Good Friday agreement and Pelosi is acknowledging that concern.
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