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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Aug 19 12.41pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle



What has it got to do with her anyway? She should concentrate on her own country's efforts to start a conflict with Iran rather than poking her snout into other country's affairs

She isn't getting involved. Trump is and she is reacting to that involvement. If he wasn't trying to oil the no deal Brexit wheels with the snake oil of an "easy to obtain" trade deal she would have no need to point that it isn't going to happen.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Aug 19 12.49pm

Originally posted by W12

"lurched to the right"

It's been lurching left for decades

There are not many socially conservatives left in the party. Boris certainly isn't.

It has never "lurched left". It very sensibly claimed the centre ground for a long time, which is essential for any party which wants to actually do things and not just talk about doing things.

Just as Labour has swung left and put in Corbyn as a reaction to the Tories, so the Tories have swung right as a reaction to Farage.

Neither now command the centre so both are destined to retreat while other, more moderate parties grow. Coalition is our future for some time. The Tories were always a coalition, but under one roof. Now they are going through a long drawn out and acrimonious divorce.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 17 Aug 19 8.24am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

She isn't getting involved. Trump is and she is reacting to that involvement. If he wasn't trying to oil the no deal Brexit wheels with the snake oil of an "easy to obtain" trade deal she would have no need to point that it isn't going to happen.

By making any sort of comment she has become involved surely?

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 17 Aug 19 8.27am

Originally posted by Mapletree

They can, trust me. Try looking at the rates of food related illness by country. Slaughter houses are, of course, not places for the squeamish.

Link? What is the % per population? Maybe the amount of those living in poverty has something to do with this

 

Stirlingsays Flag 17 Aug 19 9.04am

Originally posted by steeleye20

The UK has had a right-wing coup only 3 weeks ago.

Steely you wouldn't know right wing if it broke into your abode at night and stole your dentures.

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 17 Aug 19 9.55am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Link? What is the % per population? Maybe the amount of those living in poverty has something to do with this

FFS. How many times do I have to do this. Multiple threads. I’ll find you something.

I work with a poultry farmer, the place is like a laboratory. Change clothing upon entry, not allowed to interact with poultry outside, scrupulously clean, regular external checks. They lost 100s of thousands of birds when they had one rogue sample containing salmonella. They can’t afford to breach the rules

I set up The Meat Hygiene Service back in 1995, now the Food Standards Agency. I know very well how this works.

Edited by Mapletree (17 Aug 2019 11.14am)

 

DANGERCLOSE Flag London 17 Aug 19 10.17am

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 17 Aug 19 11.09am

Originally posted by Spiderman

By making any sort of comment she has become involved surely?

She is involving herself in Trump's involvement. If he hadn't decided to try to encourage Brexit, because it suits his own agenda, then there would not have been any need for a comment from Pelosi.

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 17 Aug 19 11.14am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Link? What is the % per population? Maybe the amount of those living in poverty has something to do with this

The US reports higher rates of illness from foodborne illness than in the UK. Annually, 14.7% (48m) of the US population suffer from an illness, versus 1.5% (1m) in the UK. This is nearly ten times the percentage of population.

The US reports higher rates of deaths from foodborne illness than in the UK. The annual death rate in the US is 3,000 per annum, versus 500 in the UK. [The US population is about 5 times the size of the UK.]

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report around 380 deaths in the US each year attributed to foodborne salmonella poisoning. The most recent epidemiological lab data from Public Health England, 2006 to 2015 shows no deaths in England and Wales from salmonella. Salmonella food poisoning is most commonly caused by consumption of contaminated food of animal origin, such as beef, chicken, milk, fish or eggs.

The Food Standards Agency recently updated its guidance to say that eating soft-boiled British Lion Mark eggs is now safe, thanks to a dramatic reduction in the presence of salmonella. By contrast, the US Food and Drug Administration still advises US consumers to hard boil their eggs due to salmonella fears. They report 79,000 cases of illness and 30 deaths a year from salmonella infected eggs.

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 17 Aug 19 12.26pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I work with a poultry farmer, the place is like a laboratory. Change clothing upon entry, not allowed to interact with poultry outside, scrupulously clean, regular external checks. They lost 100s of thousands of birds when they had one rogue sample containing salmonella. They can’t afford to breach the rules

That's just one farmer and it wasn't long ago that one of the UK's largest poultry suppliers was caught redating chicken

 

Mapletree Flag Croydon 17 Aug 19 12.35pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

That's just one farmer and it wasn't long ago that one of the UK's largest poultry suppliers was caught redating chicken

I am so fed up with false news, CHECK YOUR FACTS.

This from Wikipedia:

''The subsequent Food Standards Agency investigation report, published 2 March 2018, cleared the business of any serious non-compliances.''

All farmers and slaughterhouses are subject to the same regimes, what is so hard to understand. This is the British food standards rules and why it's so important. So it's not about one farmer.

As I said, it was an external check that appeared to find Salmonella causing a mass cull on the farm of which I was writing. In reality it's unlikely the salmonella originated at the farm, which is frustrating, but better safe than sorry.

 

DANGERCLOSE Flag London 17 Aug 19 1.24pm

 

Mapletree Flag Croydon 17 Aug 19 1.45pm

What a load of tosh.

Morrison's doesn't come high up at all. How much has Greene been paid?

Aldi is the one, followed by Waitrose to whom our local sheep farmer supplies.

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 17 Aug 19 1.46pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

What a load of tosh.

Morrison's doesn't come high up at all. How much has Greene been paid?

Aldi is the one, followed by Waitrose to whom our local sheep farmer supplies.

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And of course New Addington Lidl does very well

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 17 Aug 19 1.53pm

Originally posted by Mapletree


I am so fed up with false news, CHECK YOUR FACTS.

This from Wikipedia:

''The subsequent Food Standards Agency investigation report, published 2 March 2018, cleared the business of any serious non-compliances.''

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The above say otherwise

 

Mapletree Flag Croydon 17 Aug 19 2.05pm

In September 2015, Morrisons announced the sale of its 140 M Local shops to Mike Greene and Greybull Capital, to be re-branded as My Local, for £25 million.

Now why do I find the Brexit Party untrustworthy...

 

Mapletree Flag Croydon 17 Aug 19 2.06pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

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The above say otherwise

I am sorry, I have to say this. You are showing genuine stupidity. Check the dates. The excitable headlines are superseded by the real truth.

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 17 Aug 19 3.44pm

Originally posted by Mapletree


I am sorry, I have to say this. You are showing genuine stupidity. Check the dates. The excitable headlines are superseded by the real truth.

September 2017. Does that not count then as it was two years ago.

The fact remains that the EU claim not to like chlorinated chicken as it can cover up poor processing when we already have poor processing in the UK

 

Mapletree Flag Croydon 17 Aug 19 3.50pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

September 2017. Does that not count then as it was two years ago.

The fact remains that the EU claim not to like chlorinated chicken as it can cover up poor processing when we already have poor processing in the UK

No we don't.

Read my posts, what is so hard for goodness sake?

The apparent issues in 2017 were investigated later that year and the review published in 2018 by the FSA which found little of concern. Surprise surprise, the Press made a fuss in order to sell papers but they didn't really understand - or probably really care about - what they were doing.

''In September 2017, an undercover investigation filmed workers allegedly changing the slaughter dates – and hence the sell-by dates – at a 2 Sisters plant in West Bromwich. The company strenuously denied the allegations.[16][17] Within days, management at the plant decided to suspend production.[18] The subsequent Food Standards Agency investigation report, published 2 March 2018, cleared the business of any serious non-compliances.[19] The CEO of the FSA, Jason Feeney, said: "Our investigation found some areas for improvement but the issues were resolved promptly by the company, who co-operated fully, and at no point did we find it necessary to take formal enforcement action"[20]''

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 17 Aug 19 4.22pm

Quote The inquiry was called after the Guardian and ITV News recorded undercover footage in August showing 2 Sisters workers altering the source and slaughter date of poultry being processed at the firm’s Site D plant in West Bromwich.

Other 2 Sisters workers have also told the Guardian and ITV News that they have been instructed to alter “kill dates”.

Further footage showed chicken being retrieved from the floor of the plant and returned to the production line, plus older chicken being mixed with fresher birds. Prof Chris Elliott, a food safety academic from Queen’s University Belfast who led the UK government’s independent review of food systems after the 2013 horsemeat scandal, said he had inspected many food businesses in the past four years and had “never seen one operate under such poor standards” as the video evidence showed.

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