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Mapletree Croydon 17 Aug 19 4.30pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Quote The inquiry was called after the Guardian and ITV News recorded undercover footage in August showing 2 Sisters workers altering the source and slaughter date of poultry being processed at the firm’s Site D plant in West Bromwich. Other 2 Sisters workers have also told the Guardian and ITV News that they have been instructed to alter “kill dates”. Further footage showed chicken being retrieved from the floor of the plant and returned to the production line, plus older chicken being mixed with fresher birds. Prof Chris Elliott, a food safety academic from Queen’s University Belfast who led the UK government’s independent review of food systems after the 2013 horsemeat scandal, said he had inspected many food businesses in the past four years and had “never seen one operate under such poor standards” as the video evidence showed. [Link] Look at the date. How many times! There was an FSA investigation after. Nobody said everything was perfect, it never is. But nothing significant was found. Why do you constantly talk down something that is brilliant in the UK. No wonder Johnson gets annoyed. The minor issues found in the UK are as nothing compared to other countries [Link] Let me repeat, the US has TEN TIMES the rates of foodborne illness than the UK. Care to tell me why?

Mapletree

Croydon 17 Aug 19 4.30pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Quote The inquiry was called after the Guardian and ITV News recorded undercover footage in August showing 2 Sisters workers altering the source and slaughter date of poultry being processed at the firm’s Site D plant in West Bromwich.

Other 2 Sisters workers have also told the Guardian and ITV News that they have been instructed to alter “kill dates”.

Further footage showed chicken being retrieved from the floor of the plant and returned to the production line, plus older chicken being mixed with fresher birds. Prof Chris Elliott, a food safety academic from Queen’s University Belfast who led the UK government’s independent review of food systems after the 2013 horsemeat scandal, said he had inspected many food businesses in the past four years and had “never seen one operate under such poor standards” as the video evidence showed.

[Link]

Look at the date. How many times!

There was an FSA investigation after. Nobody said everything was perfect, it never is. But nothing significant was found.

Why do you constantly talk down something that is brilliant in the UK. No wonder Johnson gets annoyed.

The minor issues found in the UK are as nothing compared to other countries

[Link]

Let me repeat, the US has TEN TIMES the rates of foodborne illness than the UK. Care to tell me why?

Mapletree Croydon 17 Aug 19 4.37pm
Foodborne illness hits one in six Americans every year, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says, estimating that 48 million people get sick due to one or another of 31 pathogens. About 128,000 people end up in the hospital while 3,000 die annually. From CNN Interestingly this is getting worse, not better. Or perhaps you would like to look at China, man you should see the scale of their problem. Bear in mind that foodborne illness costs a huge amount to manage. And that burden falls onto the healthcare system. So in the US it's like a tax on people, who pay directly for their own care. If we end up picking up the financial burden of worse controls in the UK, it will hit us all through the NHS. So in the end we are lining the pockets of American producers through an NHS subsidy.

Mapletree

Croydon 17 Aug 19 4.37pm

Foodborne illness hits one in six Americans every year, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says, estimating that 48 million people get sick due to one or another of 31 pathogens. About 128,000 people end up in the hospital while 3,000 die annually.

From CNN

Interestingly this is getting worse, not better.

Or perhaps you would like to look at China, man you should see the scale of their problem.

Bear in mind that foodborne illness costs a huge amount to manage. And that burden falls onto the healthcare system. So in the US it's like a tax on people, who pay directly for their own care.

If we end up picking up the financial burden of worse controls in the UK, it will hit us all through the NHS. So in the end we are lining the pockets of American producers through an NHS subsidy.

Stirlingsays 17 Aug 19 4.39pm
Originally posted by Mapletree And of course New Addington Lidl does very well You've got frigging shares in that thing. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

17 Aug 19 4.39pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

And of course New Addington Lidl does very well

You've got frigging shares in that thing.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Mapletree Croydon 17 Aug 19 4.42pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You've got frigging shares in that thing. A man's gotta have a hobby.

Mapletree

Croydon 17 Aug 19 4.42pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You've got frigging shares in that thing.

A man's gotta have a hobby.

Spiderman Horsham 17 Aug 19 7.40pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I am so fed up with false news, CHECK YOUR FACTS. This from Wikipedia: ''The subsequent Food Standards Agency investigation report, published 2 March 2018, cleared the business of any serious non-compliances.'' All farmers and slaughterhouses are subject to the same regimes, what is so hard to understand. This is the British food standards rules and why it's so important. So it's not about one farmer. As I said, it was an external check that appeared to find Salmonella causing a mass cull on the farm of which I was writing. In reality it's unlikely the salmonella originated at the farm, which is frustrating, but better safe than sorry. Only when it suits your agenda though

Spiderman

Horsham 17 Aug 19 7.40pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I am so fed up with false news, CHECK YOUR FACTS.

This from Wikipedia:

''The subsequent Food Standards Agency investigation report, published 2 March 2018, cleared the business of any serious non-compliances.''

All farmers and slaughterhouses are subject to the same regimes, what is so hard to understand. This is the British food standards rules and why it's so important. So it's not about one farmer.

As I said, it was an external check that appeared to find Salmonella causing a mass cull on the farm of which I was writing. In reality it's unlikely the salmonella originated at the farm, which is frustrating, but better safe than sorry.

Only when it suits your agenda though

Spiderman Horsham 17 Aug 19 7.44pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I am sorry, I have to say this. You are showing genuine stupidity. Check the dates. The excitable headlines are superseded by the real truth. OK try this one then [Link]

Spiderman

Horsham 17 Aug 19 7.44pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I am sorry, I have to say this. You are showing genuine stupidity. Check the dates. The excitable headlines are superseded by the real truth.

OK try this one then

[Link]

Spiderman Horsham 17 Aug 19 7.48pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle She is involving herself in Trump's involvement. If he hadn't decided to try to encourage Brexit, because it suits his own agenda, then there would not have been any need for a comment from Pelosi. So she is involved?

Spiderman

Horsham 17 Aug 19 7.48pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

She is involving herself in Trump's involvement. If he hadn't decided to try to encourage Brexit, because it suits his own agenda, then there would not have been any need for a comment from Pelosi.

So she is involved?

Spiderman Horsham 17 Aug 19 7.52pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Look at the date. How many times! There was an FSA investigation after. Nobody said everything was perfect, it never is. But nothing significant was found. Why do you constantly talk down something that is brilliant in the UK. No wonder Johnson gets annoyed. The minor issues found in the UK are as nothing compared to other countries [Link] Let me repeat, the US has TEN TIMES the rates of foodborne illness than the UK. Care to tell me why? How right you are [Link]

Spiderman

Horsham 17 Aug 19 7.52pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Look at the date. How many times!

There was an FSA investigation after. Nobody said everything was perfect, it never is. But nothing significant was found.

Why do you constantly talk down something that is brilliant in the UK. No wonder Johnson gets annoyed.

The minor issues found in the UK are as nothing compared to other countries

[Link]

Let me repeat, the US has TEN TIMES the rates of foodborne illness than the UK. Care to tell me why?

How right you are

[Link]

Spiderman Horsham 17 Aug 19 7.54pm
Originally posted by Spiderman How right you are [Link] Official FSA records falsified!! Surely not Mapletree,

Spiderman

Horsham 17 Aug 19 7.54pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

How right you are

[Link]

Official FSA records falsified!! Surely not Mapletree,

cpfc_chap koh samui 17 Aug 19 9.05pm
Originally posted by Mapletree No we don't. Read my posts, what is so hard for goodness sake? The apparent issues in 2017 were investigated later that year and the review published in 2018 by the FSA which found little of concern. Surprise surprise, the Press made a fuss in order to sell papers but they didn't really understand - or probably really care about - what they were doing. ''In September 2017, an undercover investigation filmed workers allegedly changing the slaughter dates – and hence the sell-by dates – at a 2 Sisters plant in West Bromwich. The company strenuously denied the allegations.[16][17] Within days, management at the plant decided to suspend production.[18] The subsequent Food Standards Agency investigation report, published 2 March 2018, cleared the business of any serious non-compliances.[19] The CEO of the FSA, Jason Feeney, said: "Our investigation found some areas for improvement but the issues were resolved promptly by the company, who co-operated fully, and at no point did we find it necessary to take formal enforcement action"[20]'' We are not going to be forced to buy U.S meat and will always have other options. Personally I prefer getting my chlorine hit from tap water.

cpfc_chap

koh samui 17 Aug 19 9.05pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

No we don't.

Read my posts, what is so hard for goodness sake?

The apparent issues in 2017 were investigated later that year and the review published in 2018 by the FSA which found little of concern. Surprise surprise, the Press made a fuss in order to sell papers but they didn't really understand - or probably really care about - what they were doing.

''In September 2017, an undercover investigation filmed workers allegedly changing the slaughter dates – and hence the sell-by dates – at a 2 Sisters plant in West Bromwich. The company strenuously denied the allegations.[16][17] Within days, management at the plant decided to suspend production.[18] The subsequent Food Standards Agency investigation report, published 2 March 2018, cleared the business of any serious non-compliances.[19] The CEO of the FSA, Jason Feeney, said: "Our investigation found some areas for improvement but the issues were resolved promptly by the company, who co-operated fully, and at no point did we find it necessary to take formal enforcement action"[20]''

We are not going to be forced to buy U.S meat and will always have other options. Personally I prefer getting my chlorine hit from tap water.

Mapletree Croydon 17 Aug 19 11.17pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Official FSA records falsified!! Surely not Mapletree, I see you are both desperate to prove Britain is pretty useless. I find that irritating So let’s look at your ‘facts’. The report from two and a half years ago gives no details on the breaches found or the sizes of the abattoirs. There are still many small abattoirs so you can’t tell the volumes involved. The Scottish E. coli outbreak was at a small historic abattoir. These are closing rapidly. The ‘falsification’ is a claim by a whistleblower but was it proven? No sign it was but it does make good copy. Anyone that has worked in a regulated industry knows the regulators look for faults, that’s the whole point. Pennington was around when we set up The Meat Hygiene Service and was pretty unreasonable In the end the statistics don’t lie. In the US you are in ten times as much danger. Let’s not import their problems, a common refrain on this site.

Mapletree

Croydon 17 Aug 19 11.17pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Official FSA records falsified!! Surely not Mapletree,

I see you are both desperate to prove Britain is pretty useless. I find that irritating

So let’s look at your ‘facts’. The report from two and a half years ago gives no details on the breaches found or the sizes of the abattoirs. There are still many small abattoirs so you can’t tell the volumes involved. The Scottish E. coli outbreak was at a small historic abattoir. These are closing rapidly.

The ‘falsification’ is a claim by a whistleblower but was it proven? No sign it was but it does make good copy.

Anyone that has worked in a regulated industry knows the regulators look for faults, that’s the whole point. Pennington was around when we set up The Meat Hygiene Service and was pretty unreasonable

In the end the statistics don’t lie. In the US you are in ten times as much danger. Let’s not import their problems, a common refrain on this site.

Mapletree Croydon 17 Aug 19 11.19pm
Originally posted by cpfc_chap We are not going to be forced to buy U.S meat and will always have other options. Personally I prefer getting my chlorine hit from tap water. Are you sure we will. People largely will switch to the cheaper option. That may well drive the quality suppliers out of business. Any that are left after the rapid removal of subsidies as committed to by the Government.

Mapletree

Croydon 17 Aug 19 11.19pm

Originally posted by cpfc_chap

We are not going to be forced to buy U.S meat and will always have other options. Personally I prefer getting my chlorine hit from tap water.

Are you sure we will. People largely will switch to the cheaper option. That may well drive the quality suppliers out of business. Any that are left after the rapid removal of subsidies as committed to by the Government.

Spiderman Horsham 17 Aug 19 11.38pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I see you are both desperate to prove Britain is pretty useless. I find that irritating So let’s look at your ‘facts’. The report from two and a half years ago gives no details on the breaches found or the sizes of the abattoirs. There are still many small abattoirs so you can’t tell the volumes involved. The Scottish E. coli outbreak was at a small historic abattoir. These are closing rapidly. The ‘falsification’ is a claim by a whistleblower but was it proven? No sign it was but it does make good copy. Anyone that has worked in a regulated industry knows the regulators look for faults, that’s the whole point. Pennington was around when we set up The Meat Hygiene Service and was pretty unreasonable In the end the statistics don’t lie. In the US you are in ten times as much danger. Let’s not import their problems, a common refrain on this site. Far from it, it is not me that has been saying Britain can't cope without the EU. Probably wasn't proven but I wonder how deeply the concerns were looked into? You may find my opinions irritating, that is your prerogative but at least my children don't hate those people who chose to vote for remain, I believe yours hate those who voted to leave, that is what I find irritating

Spiderman

Horsham 17 Aug 19 11.38pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I see you are both desperate to prove Britain is pretty useless. I find that irritating

The ‘falsification’ is a claim by a whistleblower but was it proven? No sign it was but it does make good copy.

In the end the statistics don’t lie. In the US you are in ten times as much danger. Let’s not import their problems, a common refrain on this site.

Far from it, it is not me that has been saying Britain can't cope without the EU.
Probably wasn't proven but I wonder how deeply the concerns were looked into?
You may find my opinions irritating, that is your prerogative but at least my children don't hate those people who chose to vote for remain, I believe yours hate those who voted to leave, that is what I find irritating

Mapletree Croydon 18 Aug 19 12.04am
Originally posted by Spiderman Far from it, it is not me that has been saying Britain can't cope without the EU. Probably wasn't proven but I wonder how deeply the concerns were looked into? You may find my opinions irritating, that is your prerogative but at least my children don't hate those people who chose to vote for remain, I believe yours hate those who voted to leave, that is what I find irritating Why do you believe that?

Mapletree

Croydon 18 Aug 19 12.04am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Why do you believe that?

Invalid user 2019 18 Aug 19 12.11am
Originally posted by Spiderman Far from it, it is not me that has been saying Britain can't cope without the EU. Probably wasn't proven but I wonder how deeply the concerns were looked into? You may find my opinions irritating, that is your prerogative but at least my children don't hate those people who chose to vote for remain, I believe yours hate those who voted to leave, that is what I find irritating I would hope that the media and politician pushed narrative that we all stopped being multi faceted people overnight and are now either remainers or brexiteers, is too juvenile even for most children to bother giving much time too. Indeed one of the pro points of a post Brexit Britain, however this pans out, is that we can move beyond these silly identity tags.

Invalid user 2019

18 Aug 19 12.11am

Originally posted by Spiderman

I would hope that the media and politician pushed narrative that we all stopped being multi faceted people overnight and are now either remainers or brexiteers, is too juvenile even for most children to bother giving much time too.

Indeed one of the pro points of a post Brexit Britain, however this pans out, is that we can move beyond these silly identity tags.

DANGERCLOSE London 18 Aug 19 1.40am
PM to tell Merkel and Macron parliament cannot stop no-deal Brexitr Boris Johnson will tell Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron this week that parliament cannot stop a no-deal Brexit, Downing Street has said. During trips to Germany and France, he will tell the leaders "there must be a new deal to replace the failed Brussels deal" - but if one cannot be struck, the UK is prepared to leave the EU on 31 October without an agreement. However, Number 10 said it expects there to be "very little discussion" of Brexit during the visit to Berlin on Wednesday and Paris on Thursday, with other topics to be the focus.

DANGERCLOSE

London 18 Aug 19 1.40am

PM to tell Merkel and Macron parliament cannot stop no-deal Brexitr

Boris Johnson will tell Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron this week that parliament cannot stop a no-deal Brexit, Downing Street has said.

During trips to Germany and France, he will tell the leaders "there must be a new deal to replace the failed Brussels deal" - but if one cannot be struck, the UK is prepared to leave the EU on 31 October without an agreement.

However, Number 10 said it expects there to be "very little discussion" of Brexit during the visit to Berlin on Wednesday and Paris on Thursday, with other topics to be the focus.

cpfc_chap koh samui 18 Aug 19 5.26am
Originally posted by Mapletree Are you sure we will. People largely will switch to the cheaper option. That may well drive the quality suppliers out of business. Any that are left after the rapid removal of subsidies as committed to by the Government. I'm pretty certain no one's going to force me to purchase a product I don't want. However I am looking forward to seeing more South American and southern hemisphere beef products in our supermarkets as it tastes a damn sight better than our Irish beef that we import

cpfc_chap

koh samui 18 Aug 19 5.26am

Originally posted by Mapletree

I'm pretty certain no one's going to force me to purchase a product I don't want. However I am looking forward to seeing more South American and southern hemisphere beef products in our supermarkets as it tastes a damn sight better than our Irish beef that we import

Midlands Eagle 18 Aug 19 6.28am
Originally posted by Spiderman OK try this one then [Link] He won't. Mapletree knows a farmer so that makes him the official spokesman of the farming industry. I expect that the FSA investigated that story too and whitewashed it

Midlands Eagle

18 Aug 19 6.28am

Originally posted by Spiderman

OK try this one then

[Link]

He won't. Mapletree knows a farmer so that makes him the official spokesman of the farming industry.

I expect that the FSA investigated that story too and whitewashed it

Spiderman Horsham 18 Aug 19 9.30am
Originally posted by Mapletree Why do you believe that? You said so earlier in the thread

Spiderman

Horsham 18 Aug 19 9.30am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Why do you believe that?

You said so earlier in the thread

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