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Jamesey Flag Wandsworth 25 Mar 19 11.49pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Hilarious!

Obama presided over the SLOWEST recovery since World War 2. [Link]

Race relations got WORSE under Obama. The Black Lives Matter movement happened under his watch. Then you have Republicans and Democrats MORE divided than ever. Pew Research data [Link]

Obama Care is not universally popular at all.

Climate change? What did he do, apart from virtue signal?

You fail to mention Obama's foreign policy achievements.

Couldn't have put it better, Penge...but unfortunately the Trump haters will never bow to facts - they are determined to hate him regardless so let's hope he gets a second term when the US voters show what they think. They are the ones who count not European watchers on the sideiines.

 


Nothing is fool-proof - fools are too ingenious

Maine Eagle Flag USA 26 Mar 19 3.59am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well fair play to you for coming onto the thread.

But it's already been said that there will be no more indictments.

What you are talking about is the desperate meowings of democratic party activists and mainstream media who are trying to cover for the fact that they have been lying to their supporters for years now.

All of Trump's team and dealings have been poured over massively....Yet with Clinton it was a complete joke.

The left and the media, who are losing even more credibility will look for anything...of that I have little doubt. They will look for anything they can possibly make more media about and talk up...but it will result in no more convictions....and nothing over collusion.

They lied.....Politicians, activists and media lied....imagine my shock.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2019 9.59am)

In the mueller probe, that is true.

As for the SDNY, they seem fairly intent on nailing the traitor in chief to the wall.

Every aspect of Trumps crooked life is being investigated, and they won’t stop.

He will be impeached, but will beat it. Republicans have come this far, sold out conservative principles, consigned Reaganism utterly to the scrap heap, given up their morals completely, so they are all in on trump now. The Sanford effect has invertebrates like McConnell and Graham afraid for their cushy jobs.

He also has to contend with the campaign finance violations - you remember that one, that was where he paid off a p*** star he had an affair with while his wife was at home with a new baby. Great example to the kids, no?

All this and he still has time to disparage a recently deceased war hero who spent 5 years as a POW being tortured, while trump dodged the draft will bone spurs.

I wonder where Trump’s wall is, that Mexico was going to pay for, to keep all the brown skinned folks out, and all the middle eastern terrorists crossing the southern border.

I was in El Paso last week, there is no national emergency there.

Trump may try another shutdown, but will have to cave in like an inexperienced political rookie after once again being played by Nancy.

Pelosi vs Trump is even more unfair that expecting him to pit his wits against the ex head of the KGB. No wonder he bent over in Helsinki, Putin was a bloody spy chief for crying out loud. It’s simply not a fair fight.

Edited by Maine Eagle (26 Mar 2019 4.33am)

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

Maine Eagle Flag USA 26 Mar 19 4.01am

Originally posted by Jamesey

Couldn't have put it better, Penge...but unfortunately the Trump haters will never bow to facts - they are determined to hate him regardless so let's hope he gets a second term when the US voters show what they think. They are the ones who count not European watchers on the sideiines.

They already did that in the midterms when trump has his ass handed to him.

There are certainly enough idiots here to re-elect him, but it doesn’t look good.

 


Trump lost. Badly. Hahahahahahaha.

dannyboy1978 Flag 26 Mar 19 7.17am

What a good leader looking after his citizen's. BBC News - US-Mexico border wall: Pentagon authorises $1bn transfer
[Link]

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Mar 19 8.55am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Hilarious!

Obama presided over the SLOWEST recovery since World War 2. [Link]

Race relations got WORSE under Obama. The Black Lives Matter movement happened under his watch. Then you have Republicans and Democrats MORE divided than ever. Pew Research data [Link]

Obama Care is not universally popular at all.

Climate change? What did he do, apart from virtue signal?

You fail to mention Obama's foreign policy achievements.

Did you actually bother to read behind the headlines of your links? I suggest that you do before drawing any more conclusions. You are just indulging in confirmation bias.

I didn't claim that Obama care was universally popular. The alt right and their pawns hate it.

Obama recognised the need for international cooperation on climate change and was moving the country towards accepting that change was needed. This isn't easy in the USA but he started. Trump has just abandoned it purely for political reasons, leaving future generations around the world to a much worse future.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Mar 19 9.45am

Originally posted by Jamesey

Couldn't have put it better, Penge...but unfortunately the Trump haters will never bow to facts - they are determined to hate him regardless so let's hope he gets a second term when the US voters show what they think. They are the ones who count not European watchers on the sideiines.

There are plenty of facts that support those who hate what Trump is doing. You have only to listen to him and read his tweets to know them. I don't hate Trump, I pity him for he is pretty clearly for me a disturbed man. What I hate is a system that allows such a person to reach the level of POTUS and the standards and motivations of those who put him there.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Mar 19 9.47am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

They already did that in the midterms when trump has his ass handed to him.

There are certainly enough idiots here to re-elect him, but it doesn’t look good.

Good to know that someone who really knows what is going on is posting some sense here.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 26 Mar 19 10.41am

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

In the mueller probe, that is true.

Well, if you read the thread that was what most of it was about.

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

As for the SDNY, they seem fairly intent on nailing the traitor in chief to the wall.

Every aspect of Trumps crooked life is being investigated, and they won’t stop.

He isn't a traitor and I find that a bizarre word to use.


Originally posted by Maine Eagle

He will be impeached, but will beat it. Republicans have come this far, sold out conservative principles, consigned Reaganism utterly to the scrap heap, given up their morals completely, so they are all in on trump now. The Sanford effect has invertebrates like McConnell and Graham afraid for their cushy jobs.

I don't know if you took note or not but Trump wasn't popular in the Republican party. Much like Corbyn his power based was almost entirely built upon popular support from the actual voters. The republicans had a choice, much like the Labour Mps did.....Work with the new guy or get out. Much the same thing has happened.


Originally posted by Maine Eagle

He also has to contend with the campaign finance violations - you remember that one, that was where he paid off a p*** star he had an affair with while his wife was at home with a new baby. Great example to the kids, no?

I don't care, I didn't care when Clinton was getting blow jobs in the White House and I don't care who Trump f***s....that's between him and his wife.

The President is there to appear to run the economy and present laws to the house....all the rest is media invented BS.

In terms of this practice of the opposing party using any means necessary to obstruct (outside of voting on his laws) the president....unless it's for something serious I don't support it. Again, I didn't support it with Democrat presidents either. I regard 'campaign violations' as ridiculous as that's in every campaign by every candidate ever.

Impeachment is something they all look to do now with all presidents. I don't support it.

Anyone who thinks it's legitimate to remove a president who was elected legally by the US system is playing on very dangerous ground. It needs to be very serious and nothing I've seen is anything close to it.


Originally posted by Maine Eagle

All this and he still has time to disparage a recently deceased war hero who spent 5 years as a POW being tortured, while trump dodged the draft will bone spurs.


Trump's not a particularly nice person by all accounts.....but then again neither was McCain who had plenty of critics also. But McCain was a proven military man many times over and deserved respect in his own country. I'll agree with that.

Clinton dodged the draft and for me while this does say something it is hardly that relevant now.

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

I wonder where Trump’s wall is, that Mexico was going to pay for, to keep all the brown skinned folks out, and all the middle eastern terrorists crossing the southern border.

I was in El Paso last week, there is no national emergency there.

'Brown skinned folks' or whatever non American folks have no right to enter the US. Trump is perfectly within his rights to enact the policies that his base voted him in on.

The stuff about Mexico paying was just campaign BS.

He's just transferred the first billion to military engineers to start new wall sections.

Originally posted by Maine Eagle

Trump may try another shutdown, but will have to cave in like an inexperienced political rookie after once again being played by Nancy.

Pelosi vs Trump is even more unfair that expecting him to pit his wits against the ex head of the KGB. No wonder he bent over in Helsinki, Putin was a bloody spy chief for crying out loud. It’s simply not a fair fight.

Edited by Maine Eagle (26 Mar 2019 4.33am)

You have it pretty bad with Trump. It's like listening to the tea party when Obama was in power.

The economy is going well and the wall is actually pretty popular so we will see with the next election. Like most things the economy will be the biggest determinate.


Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Mar 2019 11.18am)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 26 Mar 19 10.49am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Good to know that someone who really knows what is going on is posting some sense here.

Obviously I'm from a different political ground but yes, it's good to see the current left represented on the boards and Maine seems like a good candidate. I look forward to lots of good debates....though Maple was already doing a fine job as the only regular sensible voice...if more a neo liberal one.

You of course are a traditional Tory.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Mar 2019 10.51am)

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 26 Mar 19 10.53am

Have just been looking at the wall online and it looks pretty crap.

There is nowhere to chalk in the cricket stumps.

It is a folly, the american version of the maginot line.

The enemy, whoever they are, will simply go round it by using another method.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 26 Mar 19 10.57am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Have just been looking at the wall online and it looks pretty crap.

There is nowhere to chalk in the cricket stumps.

It is a folly, the american version of the maginot line.

The enemy, whoever they are, will simply go round it by using another method.

I agree it's largely symbolic.

It just slows down the process.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Mar 2019 10.59am)

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Mar 19 11.13am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Have just been looking at the wall online and it looks pretty crap.

There is nowhere to chalk in the cricket stumps.

It is a folly, the american version of the maginot line.

The enemy, whoever they are, will simply go round it by using another method.

We will see how effective it is when it is built.

One thing is clear. America cannot continue to allow illegal Mexican immigrants to flood into the country.

And the wall was proposed a long time before Trump was around. The idea that he proposed it is just another lie.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (26 Mar 2019 11.13am)

 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 26 Mar 19 11.54am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Did you actually bother to read behind the headlines of your links? I suggest that you do before drawing any more conclusions. You are just indulging in confirmation bias.

I didn't claim that Obama care was universally popular. The alt right and their pawns hate it.

Obama recognised the need for international cooperation on climate change and was moving the country towards accepting that change was needed. This isn't easy in the USA but he started. Trump has just abandoned it purely for political reasons, leaving future generations around the world to a much worse future.

You said: "Obama was the best POTUS in the last 50 years". And that's all you can come up with?

Hit me back with some facts to counteract mine then!

The negative impact of Obama Care affects all Americans – not just the alt right. Are you really that dishonest? It's a shame the Republicans couldn't get their act together after moaning about it for eight years to repeal and replace it.

"Obama recognised the need for international cooperation on climate change and was moving the country towards accepting that change was needed". What the hell does this waffle even mean? Can you be slightly more detailed, examples? You mean virtue signalling on a podium, saying 'We must tackle climate change' then actually doing nothing of any environmental impact?

And Obama's foreign policy achievements were? (I'll give you Bin Laden).

Edited by Penge Eagle (26 Mar 2019 12.04pm)

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 26 Mar 19 2.02pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

You said: "Obama was the best POTUS in the last 50 years". And that's all you can come up with?

Hit me back with some facts to counteract mine then!

The negative impact of Obama Care affects all Americans – not just the alt right. Are you really that dishonest? It's a shame the Republicans couldn't get their act together after moaning about it for eight years to repeal and replace it.

"Obama recognised the need for international cooperation on climate change and was moving the country towards accepting that change was needed". What the hell does this waffle even mean? Can you be slightly more detailed, examples? You mean virtue signalling on a podium, saying 'We must tackle climate change' then actually doing nothing of any environmental impact?

And Obama's foreign policy achievements were? (I'll give you Bin Laden).

Edited by Penge Eagle (26 Mar 2019 12.04pm)

Obama inherited the worst economic downturn since the 1930's as a consequence of the banking crisis and, despite being opposed at every turn by a GOP Congress in both Houses, managed to oversee a sustained recovery which happened earlier and faster than in the rest of the developed world. It is the continuation of that recovery that Trump claims the credit for but which he is in the midst of destroying with stupid tax cuts and trade wars.

Obama care was only ever a first step towards making the US health system efficient and free at the point of use, as is the NHS. That it suffered some teething problems with the insurers doesn't change that. Any health care system which exclusively operates on the profit motive is not fit for purpose and the US one provides great facilities for the rich but crap for the poor. As your health is something that society should take responsibility for this is unacceptable in any modern, developed country. That you think it should have been just abandoned, rather than nurtured into delivering what was intended speaks volumes.

Obama signed the Paris Accord and started the process of changing the mindset of Americans on climate change. He was bringing the country into line with the rest of the developed world, along with much of the third world. This wasn't "virtue signalling" at all. It was part of a process which he understood had to be accomplished in stages. Trump is doing his best to ruin that, although I am heartened by the efforts of some States to refuse to be pulled out of playing their part by him.

Foreign policy is largely determined by events and not really made by one person. You can criticise, with hindsight, some of the decisions taken by the USA during the Obama years but that is true of every POTUS. What he didn't do was interject his own prejudices and lack of understanding into foreign affairs as Trump does. He didn't allow himself to be played like a fool by the likes of Kim Jong Un or Putin, support Israel without considering the implications or suck up to murderers in Saudi.

Obama behaved as a POTUS should, with dignity and a sense of fairness for all. He oversaw dragging the USA towards the kind of inclusive social democracy that every modern developed needs and should aspire to. He was rightly respected and admired around the world and as such the President I most admired since Kennedy.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 26 Mar 19 2.51pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Obama inherited the worst economic downturn since the 1930's as a consequence of the banking crisis and, despite being opposed at every turn by a GOP Congress in both Houses, managed to oversee a sustained recovery which happened earlier and faster than in the rest of the developed world. It is the continuation of that recovery that Trump claims the credit for but which he is in the midst of destroying with stupid tax cuts and trade wars.

Obama care was only ever a first step towards making the US health system efficient and free at the point of use, as is the NHS. That it suffered some teething problems with the insurers doesn't change that. Any health care system which exclusively operates on the profit motive is not fit for purpose and the US one provides great facilities for the rich but crap for the poor. As your health is something that society should take responsibility for this is unacceptable in any modern, developed country. That you think it should have been just abandoned, rather than nurtured into delivering what was intended speaks volumes.

Obama signed the Paris Accord and started the process of changing the mindset of Americans on climate change. He was bringing the country into line with the rest of the developed world, along with much of the third world. This wasn't "virtue signalling" at all. It was part of a process which he understood had to be accomplished in stages. Trump is doing his best to ruin that, although I am heartened by the efforts of some States to refuse to be pulled out of playing their part by him.

Foreign policy is largely determined by events and not really made by one person. You can criticise, with hindsight, some of the decisions taken by the USA during the Obama years but that is true of every POTUS. What he didn't do was interject his own prejudices and lack of understanding into foreign affairs as Trump does. He didn't allow himself to be played like a fool by the likes of Kim Jong Un or Putin, support Israel without considering the implications or suck up to murderers in Saudi.

Obama behaved as a POTUS should, with dignity and a sense of fairness for all. He oversaw dragging the USA towards the kind of inclusive social democracy that every modern developed needs and should aspire to. He was rightly respected and admired around the world and as such the President I most admired since Kennedy.

He did very well, a really decent guy.

I think it is the other living presidents who consider him the best?

 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 27 Mar 19 12.12am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Obama signed the Paris Accord and started the process of changing the mindset of Americans on climate change. He was bringing the country into line with the rest of the developed world, along with much of the third world. This wasn't "virtue signalling" at all. It was part of a process which he understood had to be accomplished in stages. Trump is doing his best to ruin that, although I am heartened by the efforts of some States to refuse to be pulled out of playing their part by him.

So... tell me how many countries have met their Paris Accord pledges?

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 27 Mar 19 10.42am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

So... tell me how many countries have met their Paris Accord pledges?

Without checking I don't know but it's not the point is it?

Unless you start a journey you will never finish it. Of course some will stumble and there will be obstacles that mean things take longer but this is a process and not an objective in itself.

The USA deciding not to participate, deliberately rejecting the science because of their obsession with their money God and allowing vested interests to spread propaganda, sends completely the wrong message to the rest of the world. It is irresponsible and needs to be called out for the selfishness it is. The sooner the sensible people in the USA regain control the happier I will be. If ever there was a reason why there ought to be a conspiracy to replace Trump then this is it.

It won't impact me (or Trump) because i will be long dead before the projected affects really bite but it surely will my grandchildren and their heirs. We really must do better than that.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 27 Mar 19 10.52am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Without checking I don't know but it's not the point is it?

Unless you start a journey you will never finish it. Of course some will stumble and there will be obstacles that mean things take longer but this is a process and not an objective in itself.

The USA deciding not to participate, deliberately rejecting the science because of their obsession with their money God and allowing vested interests to spread propaganda, sends completely the wrong message to the rest of the world. It is irresponsible and needs to be called out for the selfishness it is. The sooner the sensible people in the USA regain control the happier I will be. If ever there was a reason why there ought to be a conspiracy to replace Trump then this is it.

It won't impact me (or Trump) because i will be long dead before the projected affects really bite but it surely will my grandchildren and their heirs. We really must do better than that.

This is a double standard you are holding the US to.

All nations are selfish and all nations pursue their own national interest.

The Paris accord is a giant wishful thinking nothing burger which holds no country to actual account for actions.

The US by pulling out is actually being honest which gets criticism from you but you can't point to any major nation in the world which has done anything of note on climate change. And that will continue to be the case.

Indeed, the US is the only superpower which any of us can seriously look to on the technological front in this regard with all the major work on practical commercial alternatives on a mass scale originating from there.


Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Mar 2019 12.53pm)

 


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Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 27 Mar 19 11.31am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Without checking I don't know but it's not the point is it?

Unless you start a journey you will never finish it. Of course some will stumble and there will be obstacles that mean things take longer but this is a process and not an objective in itself.

The USA deciding not to participate, deliberately rejecting the science because of their obsession with their money God and allowing vested interests to spread propaganda, sends completely the wrong message to the rest of the world. It is irresponsible and needs to be called out for the selfishness it is. The sooner the sensible people in the USA regain control the happier I will be. If ever there was a reason why there ought to be a conspiracy to replace Trump then this is it.

It won't impact me (or Trump) because i will be long dead before the projected affects really bite but it surely will my grandchildren and their heirs. We really must do better than that.

Seeing as you haven't been keeping up with the Paris Accord and the environmental issues, I will tell you. Virtually every country has failed to meet their targets.

Trump was not prepared to allow factories to shut down and thousands of American workers to go on the dole for a virtue-signalling project that is meaningless if by far the largest polluters China and India don't play by the same rules.

He said: "I was elected to represent Pittsburgh, not Paris."

In fact, US government regulation and innovation from the free market has significantly lowered carbon emissions since the 1980s.

 

Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 27 Mar 19 11.45am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Without checking I don't know but it's not the point is it?

Unless you start a journey you will never finish it. Of course some will stumble and there will be obstacles that mean things take longer but this is a process and not an objective in itself.

The USA deciding not to participate, deliberately rejecting the science because of their obsession with their money God and allowing vested interests to spread propaganda, sends completely the wrong message to the rest of the world. It is irresponsible and needs to be called out for the selfishness it is. The sooner the sensible people in the USA regain control the happier I will be. If ever there was a reason why there ought to be a conspiracy to replace Trump then this is it.

It won't impact me (or Trump) because i will be long dead before the projected affects really bite but it surely will my grandchildren and their heirs. We really must do better than that.

Funny how you same the complete opposite about Brexit? How queer.

 


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