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 chris123  hove actually 23 Aug 19 10.51am |
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Originally posted by chris123
You're surely ignoring Treaty of Lisbon - Article 50 which provides up to 2 years to negotiate a deal.
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| Mapletree Croydon 23 Aug 19 10.54am |
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Originally posted by chris123
Ah, too late to get your g in now Chris. Edited by Mapletree (23 Aug 2019 12.01pm)
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| chris123 hove actually 23 Aug 19 11.12am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Ah, to late to get your g in now Chris. Can't even blame predictive text!
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| Mapletree Croydon 23 Aug 19 12.01pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
Can't even blame predictive text! Damn, missed off an o
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| Mapletree Croydon 23 Aug 19 12.02pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
Can't even blame predictive text! You know how to change the original? i.e. click on the pencil rubber?
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 Hrolf The Ganger 23 Aug 19 12.07pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
For sure those who voted to remain did so for various reasons. That though misses the point. Those who voted to leave would also have done so for a variety of reasons. Like gaining £350 million a week for the NHS, reducing immigration and "regaining control". However, only a very few of the most ardent Eurosceptics would have even known what a "no-deal" Brexit meant, let alone been in favour of it. Whilst an argument in favour of "respecting the referendum" result can be made with honour (as can the counter argument), leaving without a deal cannot be.
Sad, sad, sad.
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| Mapletree Croydon 23 Aug 19 12.20pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Sad, sad, sad. It isn't only Renainers. We all lose when this hits the fan. The idea of winners and losers was always a fallacy and should never have happened, pitting people against each other. And an increasing number of people are realising that and realising they don't want a no deal Brexit in particular. Where is the justice for the majority of British people? As usual we end up living in and on the past. If you don't believe the majority would now go for Remain, let's have another plebiscite to find out.
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| Stirlingsays 23 Aug 19 12.37pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
But he does know that the referendum campaign never even mentioned a no deal Brexit so nobody can have actively voted for that. In fact the campaign always spoke about ‘the deal’ so if a no deal happens the referendum will have been fought on misinformation. Who’d a thought it
I'm not sure how you can seriously quibble over caring over the detail of what kind of leave is enacted as you have been arguing for that vote to be ignored. The form of 'leave' was for the politicians to sort out. The high stakes 'leave means remain' contingent mostly amongst the left within parliament has meant that a 'no deal' form of leave looks most likely. If 'remainers' had respected the referendum result they might have had May's terrible.....'practically not leaving' deal.....No one on either side really wanted that deal. Now we get 'no deal'....or what the EU come up with in mid to late October in their last ditch attempt to stop Britain proving that independence from the EU can, in fact, be successfully enacted. Few had 'no deal' as their preferred result but I'm certainly far happier about it than I was with May's deal.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Mapletree Croydon 23 Aug 19 1.45pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'm not sure how you can seriously quibble over caring over the detail of what kind of leave is enacted as you have been arguing for that vote to be ignored. The form of 'leave' was for the politicians to sort out. The high stakes 'leave means remain' contingent mostly amongst the left within parliament has meant that a 'no deal' form of leave looks most likely. If 'remainers' had respected the referendum result they might have had May's terrible.....'practically not leaving' deal.....No one on either side really wanted that deal. Now we get 'no deal'....or what the EU come up with in mid to late October in their last ditch attempt to stop Britain proving that independence from the EU can, in fact, be successfully enacted. Few had 'no deal' as their preferred result but I'm certainly far happier about it than I was with May's deal.
Did you read the link to the Leave leaflet? It was absolutely clear we would have a new trading relationship with the EU. And that isn't not a key element to why people voted as they did. Along with £350m per week for the NHS and getting rid of immigration. Edited by Mapletree (23 Aug 2019 1.46pm)
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johnno42000  23 Aug 19 1.46pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
You should have told Tony Blair that! Tbf every PM from Pitt onwards should have been told.
'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more' |
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Aug 19 1.53pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
It isn't only Renainers. We all lose when this hits the fan. The idea of winners and losers was always a fallacy and should never have happened, pitting people against each other. And an increasing number of people are realising that and realising they don't want a no deal Brexit in particular. Where is the justice for the majority of British people? As usual we end up living in and on the past. If you don't believe the majority would now go for Remain, let's have another plebiscite to find out. God, you are boring.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Aug 19 1.57pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Did you read the link to the Leave leaflet? It was absolutely clear we would have a new trading relationship with the EU. And that isn't not a key element to why people voted as they did. Along with £350m per week for the NHS and getting rid of immigration. Edited by Mapletree (23 Aug 2019 1.46pm) We will. We will arrange to have no deal or a better one that is currently being offered.
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| Mapletree Croydon 23 Aug 19 2.08pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
We will. We will arrange to have no deal or a better one that is currently being offered. That is not what was promised, it was an bilateral agreement not simply World Trade terms. Please read the Leave leaflet.
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| dannyboy1978 23 Aug 19 2.21pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
That is not what was promised, it was an bilateral agreement not simply World Trade terms. Please read the Leave leaflet. Does this mean you might have voted leave instead?
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| dannyboy1978 23 Aug 19 2.23pm |
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Sack him
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| steeleye20 Croydon 23 Aug 19 2.54pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Agreed only the government should be allowed to conduct foreign policy the US even has a law about that. Undermining your own government is close to treason. Fair enough to campaign for your point of view and even vote your government down but to actively work with a foreign power against that your of own government is treachery. We didn't vote for Johnston we can undermine him all day long.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 23 Aug 19 3.05pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
We didn't vote for Johnston we can undermine him all day long. We have a government if Corbyn gets enough votes to remove it fair enough. It is not acceptable to conduct a shadow foreign policy when the government is negotiating with that party.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Aug 19 3.09pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
That is not what was promised, it was an bilateral agreement not simply World Trade terms. Please read the Leave leaflet. None of this has any bearing on reality, but don't let that stop you trying to find some moral high ground to cling to.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 23 Aug 19 3.13pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
We didn't vote for Johnston we can undermine him all day long. What a load of tosh. The country voted Tory. You Lefty Remainers really are a desperate bunch.
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