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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 15 Dec 18 2.15pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

I am a staunch remainer and even I don't think there will be such a cliff-edge. Reduce; possibly substantially; but completely disappear?

You just have to look at the wierd, genetic freak livetsock in countries like Germany to see why the best meat is sourced from this country. The high end market will stay. However, we might lose the lucrative dog food/kebab/burger end of the deal.

So you don't think WTO tariffs from April Fools Day would decimate the market? We can hope...

I am unclear - and I suspect the industry may be - as to whether we could sell animal products at all into the EU. I believe it has standards to which you are required to sign up before it will accept your goods. We will no longer be a party to such standards. This is one way that the EU so far has kept out US Poultry. You know, washed in chlorine to decontaminate it.

 

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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 15 Dec 18 2.25pm Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

What I'm un clear about is if we have another referendum what is the government saying they can do to leave that they couldn't do the first time?
What ever suggestions are made why didn't they under go them them after leave won the first time round?

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 15 Dec 18 2.27pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

What I'm un clear about is if we have another referendum what is the government saying they can do to leave that they couldn't do the first time?
What ever suggestions are made why didn't they under go them them after leave won the first time round?

The suggestion is not another referendum.

 

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W12 15 Dec 18 4.14pm

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 15 Dec 18 5.06pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend


That is a great article that a lot of remainers would do well to read.

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 15 Dec 18 5.35pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


That is a great article that a lot of remainers would do well to read.

The author a 'visiting professor from Princeton University' how interesting.

For someone, not my cup of tea, but an english entrepreneur directly affected by brexit with substantial business interests and many jobs, try Richard Bransome.

'Brexit will bankrupt the UK'

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 15 Dec 18 5.40pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

The author a 'visiting professor from Princeton University' how interesting.

For someone, not my cup of tea, but an english entrepreneur directly affected by brexit with substantial business interests and many jobs, try Richard Bransome.

'Brexit will bankrupt the UK'

To quote from the article:

In 1999, Britain’s 'top academic economists' polled heavily in favour of the UK joining the eurozone.

At the University of California, Berkeley, economist Andy Rose published an article claiming countries that adopted the euro would exponentially increase their trade with each other, which would make them all more prosperous.

In 2015, after an important study had established that the euro produced no trade gains, Andy Rose published a mea culpa. He acknowledged that his earlier analysis improperly extrapolated from the experience of smaller monetary unions of mainly poorer countries, and did not apply to the eurozone. By then, the grim costs of the extended eurozone crisis were evident. The euro created no obvious benefits but carried all-too-real risks.

True, unlike the euro, open borders generate recognisable trade benefits. But the benefits are overstated, and the adverse distributional consequences are too often swept under the rug.

By much the same logic as Krugman used in his recent tweets, the Harvard economist Dani Rodrik explains that economic welfare changes only modestly when countries with extensive trade relationships increase or decrease the extent of their international trade.

Rodrik, therefore, tenaciously highlights the troubling fact that contemporary trade agreements disproportionately help the most successful.

“Trade agreements,” he writes, “are driven overwhelmingly by a business-led agenda. The implicit economic model is one of trickle-down: make investors happy and the benefits will eventually flow down to the rest of society. The interests of labor—good pay, high labor standards, employment security, voice in the workplace, bargaining rights—get little lip service.”

The EU is the world’s most advanced form of “trade agreement” and, hence, comes with all the ills that Rodrik underscores. Well-heeled lobbyists representing business interests influence nearly 75 per cent of EU laws.

Hey Steely....looks like you found why Richard B supports Remain.

 


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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 15 Dec 18 5.44pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

The author a 'visiting professor from Princeton University' how interesting.

For someone, not my cup of tea, but an english entrepreneur directly affected by brexit with substantial business interests and many jobs, try Richard Bransome.

'Brexit will bankrupt the UK'

I think Lily Allen told him.

 

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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 15 Dec 18 5.48pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

To quote from the article:

In 1999, Britain’s 'top academic economists' polled heavily in favour of the UK joining the eurozone.

At the University of California, Berkeley, economist Andy Rose published an article claiming countries that adopted the euro would exponentially increase their trade with each other, which would make them all more prosperous.

In 2015, after an important study had established that the euro produced no trade gains, Andy Rose published a mea culpa. He acknowledged that his earlier analysis improperly extrapolated from the experience of smaller monetary unions of mainly poorer countries, and did not apply to the eurozone. By then, the grim costs of the extended eurozone crisis were evident. The euro created no obvious benefits but carried all-too-real risks.

True, unlike the euro, open borders generate recognisable trade benefits. But the benefits are overstated, and the adverse distributional consequences are too often swept under the rug.

By much the same logic as Krugman used in his recent tweets, the Harvard economist Dani Rodrik explains that economic welfare changes only modestly when countries with extensive trade relationships increase or decrease the extent of their international trade.

Rodrik, therefore, tenaciously highlights the troubling fact that contemporary trade agreements disproportionately help the most successful.

“Trade agreements,” he writes, “are driven overwhelmingly by a business-led agenda. The implicit economic model is one of trickle-down: make investors happy and the benefits will eventually flow down to the rest of society. The interests of labor—good pay, high labor standards, employment security, voice in the workplace, bargaining rights—get little lip service.”

The EU is the world’s most advanced form of “trade agreement” and, hence, comes with all the ills that Rodrik underscores. Well-heeled lobbyists representing business interests influence nearly 75 per cent of EU laws.

Hey Steely....looks like you found why Richard B supports Remain.

I admire your patience in addressing this poster's offerings at such length.

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 15 Dec 18 5.57pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

I admire your patience in addressing this poster's offerings at such length.

I don't think he typed all of this.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 15 Dec 18 5.58pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Desperate die-hard leavers.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Dec 18 6.03pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

I admire your patience in addressing this poster's offerings at such length.

That's what I like about this site. We are kind to the loons.
We know that if it was on the other site, they would not reciprocate. They would be yelling ban him, stone him, burn the witch.

You cannot offer a dissenting opinion to the lunatic left/Remain/liberal/ minority alliance on the BBS or else you get banned in 24 hours. A place run by dickheads for dickheads.

Here we tolerate anybody... Except Gusset.

 

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