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Can we adopt our 1861 date of birth?
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 dreamwaverider  London 25 Jul 23 3.22pm |
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If and when we one day return home to Crystal Palace, we will unreservedly be able to claim 1861
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 05 Nov 23 6.40pm |
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Stuart Hibberd talks to the London History podcast about the first Crystal Palace FC. [Link]
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 09 Feb 24 4.45pm |
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There's a website on the old Crystal Palace club – [Link]
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 09 Feb 24 5.59pm |
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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer
My wife gave me Peter Manning's book, Palace at The Palace for Christmas. Very well researched and an interesting read which provides pretty compelling evidence that our club originated in 1861. What was the compelling evidence?
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| Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 09 Feb 24 6.26pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
What was the compelling evidence? In those days football as we know it, was in its infancy and teams were mainly formed by members of cricket clubs who wanted something to do in the winter. In 1861 the Crystal Palace Cricket Club decided to form their own football club. It satisfies me anyway! Read the book, it's fascinating in many ways.
Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled. |
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| dorking 09 Feb 24 8.30pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
There's a website on the old Crystal Palace club – [Link] This bit sums it up for me This claim has been disputed by football historians and also rejected by the Football Association after a detailed review by the National Football Museum. The FA told The Times in April 2022: “Amongst those historians, the broad consensus is that there is not a clear, substantial and continuous link from the Crystal Palace club founded in 1861 to that founded in 1905. Therefore, we will continue to recognise both the 1861 and 1905 foundation dates of the clubs named Crystal Palace.” The sooner that 1861 comes off the current club's crest, the better as far as I am concerned.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 09 Feb 24 11.59pm |
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Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer
In those days football as we know it, was in its infancy and teams were mainly formed by members of cricket clubs who wanted something to do in the winter. In 1861 the Crystal Palace Cricket Club decided to form their own football club. It satisfies me anyway! Read the book, it's fascinating in many ways. It was members of the cricket club, not the cricket club. Anyhow, the football club folded in 1876. A new club of the same name started three decades later that had nothing to do with the old club. I've read the book and Manning has provided no evidence to the contrary. It's funny that the club historian hasn't come to the same conclusion.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 11 Feb 24 12.40am |
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Originally posted by dorking
This bit sums it up for me This claim has been disputed by football historians and also rejected by the Football Association after a detailed review by the National Football Museum. The FA told The Times in April 2022: “Amongst those historians, the broad consensus is that there is not a clear, substantial and continuous link from the Crystal Palace club founded in 1861 to that founded in 1905. Therefore, we will continue to recognise both the 1861 and 1905 foundation dates of the clubs named Crystal Palace.” The sooner that 1861 comes off the current club's crest, the better as far as I am concerned. 100% agree the 1861 is nonsense
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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