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Can we adopt our 1861 date of birth?

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Originally posted by kenbarr

After watching When Eagles Dare, which made a brief reference to Palace claiming to be one of the oldest clubs in the world, I found an American sports precedent for our claim. The oldest professional baseball team is the Cincinnati Reds, founded in 1869 as the Red Stockings. This club went bust in 1870 & in 1871, a new Red Stockings team was founded in Boston (they eventually became the Braves). In 1876, the National League of Professional Baseball Clubs (todays N.L.) was formed & a new Cincinnati Red Stockings under the same ownership as the old was admitted. This forced Boston to change its name to the Red Caps. Even though Cincinnati’s team stopped play & then restarted some years later, they retained rights to the nickname and the 1869 foundation date. I realize these are different countries but wouldn’t the same principles apply given both the amateur & professional clubs were owned & operated by the Crystal Palace Company?

You can say THAT again!

 


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I have not red the whole thread so apologies for repetition.

There is precious little connection with many of the football teams from their founding origins (boys clubs etc.) to the "formed" FA sanctioned teams. That distinction is specious, and we had existed for 4 decades before we were allowed in.

Taking the 1905 date for us is unfair, even with that argument, as we had a fully incorporated team well before that date (I don't know the date?) but the English FA had difficulty allowing a team that played from the (then) national stadium to be allowed into the hallowed FA. I'm not sure the Scottish FA had the same issue with Queens Park?

Step forward Aston Villa. A very important team with a lot of clout who sponsored/supported us to form in 1905. I am not sure what they got out of it, but we then played in their colours for over 60 years.

The date above in bold would be a fairer one to put on our badge (if anyone knows it?).

 

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