You say that you like being challenged and then when you are all that you have is "go away".

Anyhoo . . .

What's all this gotta do with the 'surrender monkeys' allowing asian/middle eastern illegals through THEIR country to enable those to paddle across the Channel & do NOTHING to stop them, despite being give £1m's to do so by us, the British Tax Payer?

If im allowed to get back to the original topic

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

What evidence is there that they are illegal immigrants? Many if not all of them will claim asylum. Their claims can then be assessed.

As has been observed far and wide in recent times we had a lot of shouts of "give us back control of our borders" and now the same voices are saying why don't the French control our borders.

You have to smile at the one eyed perspective.

When it's opinions they don't like, it's apparently dark and something they must 'challenge' or if somehow more than one person is agreeing it is somehow a 'circle jerk'.....though you see them happily joining in on....I suppose what must amount to their own 'circle jerks' on threads where it's situations/opinions they approve of.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

It would be false of me to claim to be a Roman expert. One module I looked at in College was the Holy Roman Empire. Quite an unusual entity, that probably has more relevance to European life today. However, I came across some of the Roman research questions whilst reading sources that weren't entirely about Rome. I came across quite a bit about the topic of what happened to the Roman Army?
Reading into it for my own amusement (bit of personal knowledge so I could at least know some Roman stuff), I came across a microcosm of the initial border and integration argument. The research seemed to indicate that much if the so-called Roman army was indeed 'Barbarian' at that time. It fell apart and later leaders tended to be Barbarian (although often claiming Roman heritage and taking Roman names). However, no one could really pinpoint an exact end to the Roman army or fully explain it. Much research has been done on the subject.
As for primary sources, I edited my friend's PhD and then book on a later Emperor. It's funny as I can't even remember the Emperor's name right now. I have the book on my phone but am not inclined to read it! Obviously, being a PhD he had extensive primary sources and many translations. I had originally read his entire literature review where he had interrogated contemporary sources. You can probably tell, as I say, I am not a Roman scholar but I'm just using my second hand knowledge as it were. I can't really give you exact references without looking. I also don't want to give my friend away - as I think his is the most extensive study of a particular emperor. You could probably find it just from what I've said. I suppose one aspect is that we are likely as much (probably far more likely) Barbarian than Roman, so in this case we're the naughty ones sacking Rome perhaps.
I also studied Early Christianity extensively but ended up an Early Modern Scholar. I've written on it all, some barely known, some not that good but the odd interesting piece.
As for the trousers and the Burkas, it's not really my point but nuance isn't as easy as one might think in posts. Clearly it's a cultural clash - in the Roman case one that seems to have not worked for Roman traditions ultimately. I doubt any would get funding for the theoretical framework I would be interested in. However, it could perhaps be framed as a diversity and gender study? Definite dollar signs there.

Red and Blue Army!

There appears to be no scope in your view of being challenged where you consider that you're actually ever wrong about anything? Or even that more than one interpretation may be valid.

Edited by BlueJay (12 Sep 2021 8.27pm)

Interesting to hear the contrasts in the takes you two have. Read with interest .

I certainly think we should be a bit more choosey who we regularly respond to.....Spicy Orange thinks we are one and the same, which is amusing though I do like the idea that I'm writing to myself here.....it's all a devious plan Spicy!

I think there was some useful dialogue in this thread but it certainly does get a bit tetchy as it goes on.

I'm not a fan of locked threads and so I've rather the gloves were kept on instead of the switch blades as much as possible.....though I'm guilty of the odd slash myself.

I'm always interested in your take mate. And we have some excellent posts from what is apparently regarded as some sort of evil cabal insidiously taking over Hol and demoralising good people from posting.

Strange, how this wasn't a problem when Hol had majority lefty posters.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Sep 2021 8.31pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

They are not evidenced at all.

The evidence that migration into the Roman Empire and the use of foreign mercenaries in the legions were key factors in the downfall of Rome are available for anyone to see.
If you stopped trying to stir things up and actually read about it for yourself, you would see this.

But of course, we all know that you are not interested in reality.

You really aren't helping yourself here, are you?

I am waiting for you to present an argument that is coherent or erudite.
As I was saying your few sentences scraped off the internet exhibit no understanding or cognisance of what is universally acknowledged to be a very complex subject. Especially in relation to the idea posited by others that this is relevant to immigration to Britain today.