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cryrst Flag The garden of England 02 Sep 19 3.11pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

JC could win an election on a remain ticket.

It would also rule out more referendums.

The polls pretty constant with remain at 56%.

I would think the fear of a corbyn and his marxist crew in charge trumps the brexit or not debate.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 02 Sep 19 3.13pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

JC could win an election on a remain ticket.

It would also rule out more referendums.

The polls pretty constant with remain at 56%.

But hasn't JC always wittered on about respecting the result of the referendum, a referendum which 'Leave' won ?

Apropos the polls, they had Remain winning the referendum.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 02 Sep 19 3.21pm

Originally posted by Willo

But hasn't JC always wittered on about respecting the result of the referendum, a referendum which 'Leave' won ?

Apropos the polls, they had Remain winning the referendum.

To qualify that, I think if only a no-deal is available, then he will go remain.

But I may be a MOTD pundit, in which case ignore.


 

Charlie Croker Flag Hampshire 02 Sep 19 3.25pm

Originally posted by W12

Final deal 32%
No Deal 34%
Remain 36%

Then what happens?

Then we need an investigation into where the other 2% has appeared from

 


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W12 02 Sep 19 3.33pm

Originally posted by Charlie Croker

Then we need an investigation into where the other 2% has appeared from

I put it down to multi-tasking.

Anyway, clearly 3 options wouldn't work.

The only only possible option is no deal versus whatever deal Boris comes up with but it's not a good idea as apart from anything else that requires another extension. Got to leave now.

 

Invalid user 2019 Flag 02 Sep 19 3.36pm

Originally posted by furrybloke

2 string question, not saying I have every answer.

Leave/Remain
Deal/No deal

Let the people make the choice now you have seen the deal & heard the arguments.

A second referendum has to be the least likely scenario going forward. It isn't going to happen.

Edited by dollardays (02 Sep 2019 3.36pm)

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 02 Sep 19 3.42pm

Originally posted by furrybloke

2 string question, not saying I have every answer.

Leave/Remain
Deal/No deal

Let the people make the choice now you have seen the deal & heard the arguments.

Okay but the Electoral Commission has previously ruled out this type of multiple choice question as too confusing. As they approve the "question" my understanding is that it will have to binary.

Now bearing in mind that people complained about the binary question asked in 2016 I think you can multiple those complaints for this type of question.

What happens if someone votes Remain and No Deal.

I get your frustration it's messy which is why we are where we are today.

Edited by Badger11 (02 Sep 2019 3.44pm)

 


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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 02 Sep 19 3.51pm

Originally posted by Willo

But hasn't JC always wittered on about respecting the result of the referendum, a referendum which 'Leave' won ?

Apropos the polls, they had Remain winning the referendum.

If Corbyn said that the Sun will rise in the morning I wouldn't believe him. Mans a loser & a loony.

 


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Invalid user 2019 Flag 02 Sep 19 4.00pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

If Corbyn said that the Sun will rise in the morning I wouldn't believe him. Mans a loser & a loony.

You're not alone in that view, Jimenez.


Is Jeremy Corbyn doing well or badly?
13% Well
72% Badly

Net -59%

Source: @YouGov


I always figured that there was maybe a 30% minimum level where people basically support any leader for the sake of party allegiance. Corbyn is confounding understood norms with his ineptitude and unpopularity .


 

the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 02 Sep 19 4.08pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I disagree. It is abundantly clear that the balance of opinion in Parliament is against a no deal Brexit.

I don't think Corbyn will decide this, and certainly hope not. I think Blair is right and agreeing to an election would be falling into a trap set by Johnson's strategists. I hope wiser heads in the shadow cabinet and behind the scenes will restrain Corbyn's instincts and personal ambitions.

Our sovereignty has never been, and remains, under any kind of threat by being a member of the EU. That's just yet another anti-EU myth.

Governments have set the timetable only by conventions granted to them by Parliament. If they abuse that gift then it will be removed from them. If an executive seeks to establish sovereignty over Parliament then it will be treated like the naughty child it seeks to mimic and probably given a "time out".

Blair is a criminal and should be seen as such and tried for 'war crimes" As such his thoughts are irrelevant..
Just as a popint of interest Wisbech what would be your solution to this mess??

 

the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 02 Sep 19 4.11pm

Originally posted by the silurian

Blair is a criminal and should be seen as such and tried for 'war crimes" As such his thoughts are irrelevant..
Just as a point of interest Wisbech what would be your solution to this mess??


Also wisbech, lets assume there was another referendum and leave 'won' again, then what would your excuse be?

 

the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 02 Sep 19 4.12pm

Originally posted by the silurian

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Edited by the silurian (02 Sep 2019 4.12pm)

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Sep 19 4.16pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

If parliament tries to repeal Article 50 the resulting demonstrations will make the current unrest in Hong Kong look like a barn dance

Do you believe in Parliamentary Democracy?

If so then you must also accept Parliament taking decisions you don't agree with, as we all must. Especially Boris Johnson.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Sep 19 4.19pm

Originally posted by Matov

What justification is there for a Remain option? Remain lost. It's done. Over. You don't get a second bite at the cherry. Varients of Leave then perhaps there is an argument to be made but Remain is simply not an option.


Edited by Matov (02 Sep 2019 2.35pm)

If Parliament decides that it wishes to consult the people again it can do so on whatever terms it decides.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 02 Sep 19 4.29pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If Parliament decides that it wishes to consult the people again it can do so on whatever terms it decides.

And they can ommit over 75s and allow over 16s as should have been the first rule.
Parliament has it's good points and can make the rules.

 

the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 02 Sep 19 4.35pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Do you believe in Parliamentary Democracy?

If so then you must also accept Parliament taking decisions you don't agree with, as we all must. Especially Boris Johnson.

Kind of ironic as you dont agree with the decision to hold a referendum or its result

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Sep 19 4.36pm

Originally posted by the silurian

Blair is a criminal and should be seen as such and tried for 'war crimes" As such his thoughts are irrelevant..
Just as a popint of interest Wisbech what would be your solution to this mess??

My preference would be to cancel the whole debacle and hold a 5 year moratorium during which we negotiate a revised relationship with the EU which probably means we would stop being full members but have some kind of associate membership.

That though seems unlikely to happen for a variety of reasons so my solution would be to request an extension for 6 months, hold a GE later this year and let the new Parliament decide what to do next.

If the Tories, Brexit Party and DUP gain a majority then we leave with no deal. If the opposition Parties who desire a second referendum gain a majority then we hold a referendum, much as I dislike them. If there is a hung Parliament then compromises will need to be sought.

 


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the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 02 Sep 19 4.45pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

My preference would be to cancel the whole debacle and hold a 5 year moratorium during which we negotiate a revised relationship with the EU which probably means we would stop being full members but have some kind of associate membership.

That though seems unlikely to happen for a variety of reasons so my solution would be to request an extension for 6 months, hold a GE later this year and let the new Parliament decide what to do next.

If the Tories, Brexit Party and DUP gain a majority then we leave with no deal. If the opposition Parties who desire a second referendum gain a majority then we hold a referendum, much as I dislike them. If there is a hung Parliament then compromises will need to be sought.

Didnt we try for years to get a revised relationship and ended up banging our heads against the wall as the EU dont negotiate, they tell others what will happen?

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Sep 19 4.50pm

Originally posted by the silurian

Kind of ironic as you dont agree with the decision to hold a referendum or its result


There is nothing ironic involved in believing in the supremacy of Parliament as the place where final decisions are made. Referendums have no place in our system. The 2016 one only gained any legitimacy through Parliament, which they can just as easily remove.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 02 Sep 19 4.51pm

Originally posted by the silurian

Didnt we try for years to get a revised relationship and ended up banging our heads against the wall as the EU dont negotiate, they tell others what will happen?


Just like us they now have the benefit of experience and hindsight. They have gazed into the abyss and won't want to go there again.

 


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