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 the silurian  The garden of England.(not really) 03 Sep 19 4.54pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I sense a little of the bravado and self confidence in the "leave at all costs" lobby both here and in the wider world ebbing away! I also detect a return to the "slagging off" tactics that typifies so many of their arguments, which is another sign that their hopes are waning. As I predicted, Parliament will always maintain it's supremacy over the executive and ultimately will not allow itself to be bullied into submission. Too early to be 100% sure of that but the straws in the wind are all blowing one way. Well then, they should just cancel the whole f***injg thing, and put up with the inevitable riots
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| Maine Eagle USA 03 Sep 19 4.58pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
So is this you saying that you aren't going to draw your pension then? My 401k is sitting pretty mate, despite Trump's best efforts.
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| Maine Eagle USA 03 Sep 19 5.00pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Glad you cant vote then, many of the OLD people are the reason the young even have the vote!! Dont suppose President Adolf would have allowed any voting! At the end of the Second World War the genesis of modern European cooperation was formed. Anyone who personally fought against the nazis should understand that close links inside Europe are a good thing.
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| Mapletree Croydon 03 Sep 19 5.05pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Apart from the ghoulish and unethical nature of this I'll state once again, the logic of this doesn't work. More people would have entered into the older age brackets than would have died....People's politics are affected by age and the way the EU has behaved wouldn't have helped the remain side. I predict no real significant change on any second vote. You are entirely incorrect. People don't become Brexiteers due to age, but to life experience and upbringing In any case more new voters are entering the fray than older voters leaving, ergo my logic works regardless. And it isn't ghoulish. And by the way, what exactly has the EU done that is so heinous. The major red line is the backstop. Things are already going unstable in Northern Ireland, God help us if we lift the lid off that situation again.
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| Mapletree Croydon 03 Sep 19 5.07pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
At the end of the Second World War the genesis of modern European cooperation was formed. Anyone who personally fought against the nazis should understand that close links inside Europe are a good thing. Part of the reason for Brexit is the generation that actually knew war has largely gone now. It was that generation which voted to enter the EU in the first place, I wonder why... We are doomed to carry on repeating history as some people just never learn. I blame teachers...
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| Mapletree Croydon 03 Sep 19 5.09pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Well then, they should just cancel the whole f***injg thing, and put up with the inevitable riots True that. Because if they don't cancel the whole thing the riots will be worse. Shortages tend to have that effect on people, ask Louis XVI
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 03 Sep 19 5.27pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
Well then, they should just cancel the whole f***injg thing, and put up with the inevitable riots Riots. Seriously? There will be no riots if they cancel brexit. That's a statement worthy of the oft quoted 'project fear' brigade. How ironic. Johnson has just been made to look like a blustering buffoon in parliament this afternoon when pressed for actual, tangible information regarding his position. Not for the first time. Watching this debacle live this afternoon has made me think that this SO24 bill will make it through to a vote tomorrow, and that it will be passed. I'm at the point now where I'm not even sure if that is a good or a bad thing anymore.
Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons. |
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 03 Sep 19 5.31pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
True that. Because if they don't cancel the whole thing the riots will be worse. Shortages tend to have that effect on people, ask Louis XVI I'm not sure the drama of no deal would be as bad as everyone in the reamin camp is making out, but when Gove comes out with a statement detailing an extra £20m provision to keep the roads in Kent moving in the event of no deal you have to wonder what else they are anticipating as an immediate blowback to leaving abruptly. As always the truth is probably somewhere between complete chaos and frictionless serenity but the leavers will tell you there will be no issues at all (bollocks) and the remainers will tell you that the world will end (also bollocks). I say bollocks to the lot of them
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| Stirlingsays 03 Sep 19 5.34pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
You are entirely incorrect. People don't become Brexiteers due to age, but to life experience and upbringing
Oh thank you for that chuckle. Originally posted by Mapletree
In any case more new voters are entering the fray than older voters leaving, ergo my logic works regardless. And it isn't ghoulish. I don't think that works actually.....and yes, I do think it's a bit ghoulish if you see old people dying as some form of positive. Originally posted by Mapletree
And by the way, what exactly has the EU done that is so heinous. The major red line is the backstop. Things are already going unstable in Northern Ireland, God help us if we lift the lid off that situation again. Blimey...haven't we gone over that enough times already...to sum up. Freedom of movement.....which is essentially control of our borders. The whole backstop is just a EU tactic and lie to stop us making trade deals outside of the EU.....and I suspect you're well aware of that. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Sep 2019 5.38pm)
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| Stirlingsays 03 Sep 19 5.38pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
I'm not sure the drama of no deal would be as bad as everyone in the reamin camp is making out, but when Gove comes out with a statement detailing an extra £20m provision to keep the roads in Kent moving in the event of no deal you have to wonder what else they are anticipating as an immediate blowback to leaving abruptly. As always the truth is probably somewhere between complete chaos and frictionless serenity but the leavers will tell you there will be no issues at all (bollocks) and the remainers will tell you that the world will end (also bollocks). I say bollocks to the lot of them Getting splinters from that fence again I see?....lets hope none enter the sensitive areas because that's a lot of bollocks you appear to have there SW19.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| Mapletree Croydon 03 Sep 19 5.41pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Blimey...haven't we gone over that enough times already...to sum up. Freedom of movement.....which is essentially control of our borders. The whole backstop is just a EU tactic and lie to stop us making trade deals outside of the EU.....and I suspect you're well aware of that. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Sep 2019 5.38pm) Oh really? Well, I hope you are right, the risks are absolutely enormous. My sister was blown up by the IRA by the way.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 03 Sep 19 5.51pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Getting splinters from that fence again I see?....lets hope none enter the sensitive areas because that's a lot of bollocks you appear to have there SW19. haha. Listen I'm just making a broader point that the whole thing has now disappeared so far up its own arse that it's impossible to even contemplate getting off the fence anymore. I'd rather take the splinters and look down on the dross peddling from on high than jump into the s***ty mire of either sides relentlessly partisan anger and endless despair.
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| Invalid user 2019 03 Sep 19 6.05pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
haha. Listen I'm just making a broader point that the whole thing has now disappeared so far up its own arse that it's impossible to even contemplate getting off the fence anymore. I'd rather take the splinters and look down on the dross peddling from on high than jump into the s***ty mire of either sides relentlessly partisan anger and endless despair. That made me chuckle. You make a good point, but I'm sure the history books will also contain some of the more stand out moments of dynamic leadership shown during this rocky period. Case in point [Link]
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| chris123 hove actually 03 Sep 19 6.07pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Tory majority gone I hear. Poor man so distressed he joined the lib-dems. Ar his first photo-session now in the new 'bollox' T-shirt. Not sure about this, Lib Dems got 7.5% of the vote at the last election, Bracknell voted leave, and his party passed a vote of no confidence in June. So should set up a by election in my view.
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| Mapletree Croydon 03 Sep 19 6.16pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Blimey...haven't we gone over that enough times already...to sum up. Freedom of movement.....which is essentially control of our borders. The whole backstop is just a EU tactic and lie to stop us making trade deals outside of the EU.....and I suspect you're well aware of that. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Sep 2019 5.38pm) Non sequitur. You said 'the way the EU has behaved wouldn't have helped the remain side'. So how has it behaved during the past three years, what 'won't have helped'? People on both sides of the border are more than deeply concerned about a return to troubles if the backstop goes. Please respond to my point that it was those who went through wars that voted to be a part of the European project - in full knowledge of what that meant. It is a bunch of people who missed out on the wars but have rose tinted spectacles that think we need to get into a position to 'fight our own corner' etc. etc. They have no clue and in any case they are setting up others to do the fighting, others that simply don't want to as they recognise foolishness when they see it.
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| Mapletree Croydon 03 Sep 19 6.17pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
Not sure about this, Lib Dems got 7.5% of the vote at the last election, Bracknell voted leave, and his party passed a vote of no confidence in June. So should set up a by election in my view. Did Bracknell vote to leave without a deal?
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| chris123 hove actually 03 Sep 19 6.22pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Really can't see the EU bothering with Johnston now he have no majority in parliament, how could he get anything through anyway. He was really on the ropes there, mumbling incoherently to well directed questions. What a difference a day makes. Hasn't learnt a thing, still bullying Tory MPs who will only desert him. Does't make much difference based on how he was going to vote.
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| Stirlingsays 03 Sep 19 6.31pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
haha. Listen I'm just making a broader point that the whole thing has now disappeared so far up its own arse that it's impossible to even contemplate getting off the fence anymore. I'd rather take the splinters and look down on the dross peddling from on high than jump into the s***ty mire of either sides relentlessly partisan anger and endless despair.
Oh come on...so sensible, you're missing out on all the fun. It's political mods and rockers!
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| chris123 hove actually 03 Sep 19 6.36pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Did Bracknell vote to leave without a deal? Yes every single voter.
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