You will get over it.

The only chance those that want a deal with the EU have of getting one is by leaving under the 'no deal' banner.

It is only once that occurs that the EU will actually offer one.

At the moment they are happy to let their mixture of 'useful idiots' and fifth columnists try to ensure that remain becomes the default via the no agreement principle.....which they hope leads to eventual acceptance via exhaustion.

There was a chance to leave with a deal.....The parliament had three votes on it and rejected all three.

That was the end of a deal.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Despite all of the so called undemocratic things going on in parliament I think the way that this entire mess has played out over the last 3 years has been a true representation of 'the will of the people'...and I mean all of them (well those that were eligible and decided to vote that day).

A 52-48 split however you want to dress it up just reflects a nation that for certain is not united in knowing what it wants and where it wants to go. As sad as it is, the indecisiveness and bickering routinely displayed in parliament is a clear reflection of the result whether we like it or not.

I hold absolutely no faith or trust in the powers that be to sort this mess out ...so we might us well start doing things ourselves, rediscover our common ground and look after each other along the way.

If we don't we will just have to change the saying to Divided we stand. United we fall.

That's my two cents worth anyway.

Good post

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Agreed. It's a sad indictment of politics and public debate at the moment that so many peole are just shouting rather than engaged in reasonable debate.

The way the vote has become a form of identification 'leavers' and 'remainers' is pretty grim too. It reduces everything to black adn white when most of us know reality is mostly somewhere in between.

There's something to be said for that. It does rather minimise what people are all about. If anything over the last three years I've gained a lot of respect for those able to present their political opinions in a dignified and balanced way, and just let their vote do the talking. People. Politics. That order.

In that case the GE should happen, as the mps can't get anything sorted!! let's see if the people choose via a general election but guess all remain parties are unhappy about this as so many constituencies voted leave and they'd be out of work! Labour and lib dems are showing up to be cowards by not wanting one!

We dont know if it will be better,the same or worse.
That's the point.
All guess work even now.

When the referendum was carried out, I am sure very few of us understood the complexities of our constitution and the inabilities of our system to ever agree on a method of leaving. Our system has shown conclusively that on a 50/50 result or close to it represented similarly by the politicians we will NEVER arrive at a solution on which parliament will agree. An election (which has already been disagreed) would merely bring us back to the same place.
The only way to resolve this issue would be to have another vote by the people with a pre agreed outcome by the politicians.
The vote (referendum) would be nice and simple just like before but would have one vital difference. The vote would be to either leave with no deal or whatever deal our elected prime minister decides within 3 months of the vote result or to remain. ALL politicians would have to agree to not standing in the way of the result.
Whatever the result of the vote, it is bound to be close, would be honoured and carried out by the prime minister.
So if it is remain, we simply remain. If it is leave, Boris gets on with his work and within 3 months we leave. No questions from politicians.
Nobody can stop Boris offering this to us the people and this way it is resolved once and for all.
The alternative is literally years of watching a bunch of baffoons continuing to debate in an unworkable system where they will NEVER find a solution to ever be able to agree to leave. It’s called a democracy!
People who say this defies democracy, (which it does), must accept that it is democracy itself that is preventing a decision ever being reached. This would be a vote to beat this impass and find a solution to what has become an unacceptable mess that is fast making us the laughing stock globally of decision making. And rightly so.
This way it is us the people who would unlock this impossible situation.

Yesterday was a good day for Corbyn as Johnson lost his call for a GE and late last night he accepted that the extension bill will become law and will go through the Lords unopposed.

On Monday after that bill has Royal Assent Johnson will propose a GE it's now up to Corbyn.

For several years Corbyn and other Labour leaders have demanded a GE but when proposed they bottled it and laid down a pre condition which by Friday night will have been met.

On Monday if Corbyn again declines to support a GE I think he is finished. However the feeling is that he will agree however there is a fly in the ointment.

Remain rebels led by Keir Starmer are saying a GE can only be held at a later date chiefly because they are scared they will lose.

So there is a possibility that Corbyn will face his own back bench revolt on Monday with Labour MPs sitting on their hands.

Of course if we get one on the 15 Oct and Johnson wins he will repeal the extension but then he will have to face blocking in the Lords, but one problem at a time.

Last night on LBC they said that Stephen Kinnock's motion to bring back Theresa May's bill for a 4th time went through unopposed. I haven't seen confirmation of this. If true Kinnock and some other MPs want another vote because they are scared that they will lose their seats so now they want to vote for it.

We may still end up with May's deal then at some point.

As they used to say in Soap "Confused you will be".

One more point