That raised a smile so well done!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

.......Funty as Owen Jones!!

Pro USA & Israel

You actually read it?

COYP

Don't you agree that it can be the case that sometimes things just have the ring of undeniable truth to them?

When, as in this case, we all witnessed the events ourselves, if not in person but on screen and in print, this is supported by the evidence of our own eyes and ears it makes it doubly the case that what Cameron has written seems very much more than just his opinion.

So whilst some might wish to just dismiss it as the sour grapes of someone seeking to wash his own damaged reputation, because that suits their own approach, others will not.

The timing is obviously deliberate and this is either because the publishers think it will sell more books and/or that Cameron is as opposed to the current direction of the government as most MPs are.

Those who are in either of the convinced camps won't be swayed by this. I already thought Johnson to be a chancer taking advantage of a situation for his own benefit, and not that of the country. What matters is that group in the middle who are capable of swinging. It's become smaller in the last 3 years but is likely to get bigger again in the coming months.

Cameron saying these things, in this way and at this time, with the ring of truth surrounding it, could make a difference. I hope so myself.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

"I'd rather be backing a character and a leader who is the Hulk than one who is on the Chicken Run, as Jeremy Corbyn is."

This is actually the Brexit Minister, Stephen Barclay.

He very briefly used to be my MP! I met him once. He didn't impress me. Compared to the previous incumbent, Malcolm Moss, who was a decent and helpful local MP, Barclay appeared to be just another career politician.

Edited by Midlands Eagle (16 Sep 2019 10.33am)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Cameron carries the can but the decision to hold the referendum, which now looks such a stupid one in hindsight, was not his alone.

It was backed by the Party, the Cabinet, the government and Parliament.

Having backed Remain he did the decent thing and stood aside so that a new PM could be chosen to see the thing through. That that effort has hit the rocks isn't his fault.

I am not excusing him for failing to realise that a referendum of that sort was always going to create a huge crisis. I argued against it at the time but was in a tiny minority back then and wiser heads in the back rooms ought to have been giving strong advice.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

I believe he has said the same about you Willo

The mere fact that the country chose to change the status quo is enough justification for holding a referendum in the first place. We should have had referendum before on the various EU treaties as our sovereignty was ceded to the EU without our permission, but we were denied.

Brexit has not divided the country. The Brexit vote is just an expression of an underlying division that already existed in the country. It was just the first opportunity people had to express this. The pretty disgusting reaction of the technocrats had just underlined to people that they were right all along.