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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Sep 19 12.05pm
Originally posted by Willo Well there is a resemblance between us and we are certainly on the same wing of the Conservative Party! But there the similarity ends for he is top-watt clever, an erudite luminary with articulation and an aura of grandiloquence I could never match. Edited by Willo (16 Sep 2019 11.14am) Oh yes, Jacob Rees-Mogg that shining beacon of light for the common man, giving away his millions to help the poor and fight the "elite". Not the least bit privileged. Studied at a comprehensive school (called Eton) and then a red brick university (called Trinity College, Oxford). He has only a forward thinking approach to life and politics and the epithet attributed to him as the "Honorable Member for the 18th Century" is obviously totally undeserved. Many prats can be erudite and possess an aura of grandiloquence. They can also show disrespect to Parliament by lounging across the benches. Is this really who we want, let alone what we need, to be a leading member of the government in the 21st century? Really? Is this the progressive image we want to portray to the world? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Sep 19 12.05pm

Originally posted by Willo

Well there is a resemblance between us and we are certainly on the same wing of the Conservative Party! But there the similarity ends for he is top-watt clever, an erudite luminary with articulation and an aura of grandiloquence I could never match.

Edited by Willo (16 Sep 2019 11.14am)

Oh yes, Jacob Rees-Mogg that shining beacon of light for the common man, giving away his millions to help the poor and fight the "elite".

Not the least bit privileged. Studied at a comprehensive school (called Eton) and then a red brick university (called Trinity College, Oxford).

He has only a forward thinking approach to life and politics and the epithet attributed to him as the "Honorable Member for the 18th Century" is obviously totally undeserved.

Many prats can be erudite and possess an aura of grandiloquence. They can also show disrespect to Parliament by lounging across the benches.

Is this really who we want, let alone what we need, to be a leading member of the government in the 21st century? Really? Is this the progressive image we want to portray to the world?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Sep 19 12.12pm
T Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Oh yes, Jacob Rees-Mogg that shining beacon of light for the common man, giving away his millions to help the poor and fight the "elite". Not the least bit privileged. Studied at a comprehensive school (called Eton) and then a red brick university (called Trinity College, Oxford). He has only a forward thinking approach to life and politics and the epithet attributed to him as the "Honorable Member for the 18th Century" is obviously totally undeserved. Many prats can be erudite and possess an aura of grandiloquence. They can also show disrespect to Parliament by lounging across the benches. Is this really who we want, let alone what we need, to be a leading member of the government in the 21st century? Really? Is this the progressive image we want to portray to the world? Our views on JRM are polar opposites. Clearly being born into privilege, attending Eton and Oxford are viewed by some as heinous crimes. I born to professional parents and availed of their generosity so I didn’t do too badly myself! This doesn’t place me on any pedestal or make me a better person but I shouldn’t be derided for the fact that I was somewhat fortunate. , We will have to agree to disagree- I couldn’t disagree with you more but respect your right to express your opinion. Anyway this thread is about Brexit and not about JRM or ‘yours truly’. Edited by Willo (16 Sep 2019 12.56pm)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Sep 19 12.12pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Oh yes, Jacob Rees-Mogg that shining beacon of light for the common man, giving away his millions to help the poor and fight the "elite".

Not the least bit privileged. Studied at a comprehensive school (called Eton) and then a red brick university (called Trinity College, Oxford).

He has only a forward thinking approach to life and politics and the epithet attributed to him as the "Honorable Member for the 18th Century" is obviously totally undeserved.

Many prats can be erudite and possess an aura of grandiloquence. They can also show disrespect to Parliament by lounging across the benches.

Is this really who we want, let alone what we need, to be a leading member of the government in the 21st century? Really? Is this the progressive image we want to portray to the world?

Our views on JRM are polar opposites.
Clearly being born into privilege, attending Eton and Oxford are viewed by some as heinous crimes.

I born to professional parents and availed of their generosity so I didn’t do too badly myself! This doesn’t place me on any pedestal or make me a better person but I shouldn’t be derided for the fact that I was somewhat fortunate.
,

We will have to agree to disagree- I couldn’t disagree with you more but respect your right to express your opinion.
Anyway this thread is about Brexit and not about JRM or ‘yours truly’.

Edited by Willo (16 Sep 2019 12.56pm)

Hrolf The Ganger 16 Sep 19 12.41pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC You and your ilk are continually speaking like remaining is a done deal. It's bizarre. If we leave with some form of deal, we've left. End of. You lot can then fight over what you meant by leaving but that is for the birds. We will still have left. Don't throw your toys out of the pram simply because you won't be getting your version of 'leave'. That was never specified, and anyone who claims it meant this or that is simply making it up to suit their own position. The Referendum did not specify any arrangement, however, it would be unacceptable to enter into one that was like staying in the EU in all but name. The position of Labour is disingenuous. Remainers only want to remain at all costs. Labour has a majority of Remainers. Only the Tories will deliver Brexit as they have the most to lose by failure. Labour must say something different to the Tories and Lib Dems. It's all just political games.

Hrolf The Ganger

16 Sep 19 12.41pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

You and your ilk are continually speaking like remaining is a done deal. It's bizarre. If we leave with some form of deal, we've left. End of.

You lot can then fight over what you meant by leaving but that is for the birds. We will still have left.

Don't throw your toys out of the pram simply because you won't be getting your version of 'leave'. That was never specified, and anyone who claims it meant this or that is simply making it up to suit their own position.

The Referendum did not specify any arrangement, however, it would be unacceptable to enter into one that was like staying in the EU in all but name.

The position of Labour is disingenuous. Remainers only want to remain at all costs. Labour has a majority of Remainers. Only the Tories will deliver Brexit as they have the most to lose by failure.

Labour must say something different to the Tories and Lib Dems. It's all just political games.

Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 16 Sep 19 1.12pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Oh yes, Jacob Rees-Mogg that shining beacon of light for the common man, giving away his millions to help the poor and fight the "elite". Not the least bit privileged. Studied at a comprehensive school (called Eton) and then a red brick university (called Trinity College, Oxford). He has only a forward thinking approach to life and politics and the epithet attributed to him as the "Honorable Member for the 18th Century" is obviously totally undeserved. Many prats can be erudite and possess an aura of grandiloquence. They can also show disrespect to Parliament by lounging across the benches. Is this really who we want, let alone what we need, to be a leading member of the government in the 21st century? Really? Is this the progressive image we want to portray to the world? Jeez you ain't wrong there old son!! Pro USA & Israel

Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 16 Sep 19 1.12pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Oh yes, Jacob Rees-Mogg that shining beacon of light for the common man, giving away his millions to help the poor and fight the "elite".

Not the least bit privileged. Studied at a comprehensive school (called Eton) and then a red brick university (called Trinity College, Oxford).

He has only a forward thinking approach to life and politics and the epithet attributed to him as the "Honorable Member for the 18th Century" is obviously totally undeserved.

Many prats can be erudite and possess an aura of grandiloquence. They can also show disrespect to Parliament by lounging across the benches.

Is this really who we want, let alone what we need, to be a leading member of the government in the 21st century? Really? Is this the progressive image we want to portray to the world?

Jeez you ain't wrong there old son!!

Pro USA & Israel

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Sep 19 1.30pm
Originally posted by Willo T Our views on JRM are polar opposites. Clearly being born into privilege, attending Eton and Oxford are viewed by some as heinous crimes. I born to professional parents and availed of their generosity so I didn’t do too badly myself! This doesn’t place me on any pedestal or make me a better person but I shouldn’t be derided for the fact that I was somewhat fortunate. , We will have to agree to disagree- I couldn’t disagree with you more but respect your right to express your opinion. Anyway this thread is about Brexit and not about JRM or ‘yours truly’. Edited by Willo (16 Sep 2019 12.56pm) I don't have any issues with those born into privilege taking advantage of it. That's life and an understandable and desirable desire to secure better lives for our children. What irks is the hypocrisy and the suggestions that people like JRM are against the "elite", when they are themselves close to the pinnacle and that they are taking the stance they do for the country and not because of self interest. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Sep 19 1.30pm

Originally posted by Willo

Our views on JRM are polar opposites.
Clearly being born into privilege, attending Eton and Oxford are viewed by some as heinous crimes.

We will have to agree to disagree- I couldn’t disagree with you more but respect your right to express your opinion.
Anyway this thread is about Brexit and not about JRM or ‘yours truly’.

Edited by Willo (16 Sep 2019 12.56pm)

I don't have any issues with those born into privilege taking advantage of it. That's life and an understandable and desirable desire to secure better lives for our children.

What irks is the hypocrisy and the suggestions that people like JRM are against the "elite", when they are themselves close to the pinnacle and that they are taking the stance they do for the country and not because of self interest.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 16 Sep 19 1.41pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It seems that people like you cannot tolerate real democracy in action and just want your own way, threatening mayhem if you don't get it. He did honour the result, which he profoundly disagreed with, by resigning and allowing the Tories to choose a new leader to sort out the mess. A mess that they had created with the intention to quieten the Eurosceptics for good and consign UKIP to history. It went wrong. A referendum can too easily be hijacked by lies, timing and the winds of chance to be a reliable way to determine what the country really wants, let alone what is in it's best interests. What people say on the stump should always be taken with a whole packet of salt. Just look at what was on that Leave campaign bus. Cameron is now just setting the record straight and letting the people know the truth. His publishers are the one's deciding the timing. People like me? Really?And what am I like wisbech? you dont know me. Stop assuming stuff, Im just thankful Im not like you.....I never threatened 'mayhem' I just think there will be serious disorder, if/when brexit is cancelled...which is looking more and more likely

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 16 Sep 19 1.41pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It seems that people like you cannot tolerate real democracy in action and just want your own way, threatening mayhem if you don't get it.

He did honour the result, which he profoundly disagreed with, by resigning and allowing the Tories to choose a new leader to sort out the mess. A mess that they had created with the intention to quieten the Eurosceptics for good and consign UKIP to history. It went wrong. A referendum can too easily be hijacked by lies, timing and the winds of chance to be a reliable way to determine what the country really wants, let alone what is in it's best interests.

What people say on the stump should always be taken with a whole packet of salt. Just look at what was on that Leave campaign bus.

Cameron is now just setting the record straight and letting the people know the truth. His publishers are the one's deciding the timing.

People like me? Really?And what am I like wisbech? you dont know me. Stop assuming stuff, Im just thankful Im not like you.....I never threatened 'mayhem' I just think there will be serious disorder, if/when brexit is cancelled...which is looking more and more likely

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Sep 19 1.46pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Anyone with two brain cells can see how disingenerous the argument is. Unless the UK leaves the EU everything susmik stated will come to pass.....Unless the UK leaves now it won't be given the opportunity again. Arguing about specific treaties for this or that is reductio ad absurdum. Like focusing on your outdoor swimming pool as the tsunami comes. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Sep 2019 11.38am) I find your position the disingenuous one; conflating a prediction with a legal inevitability stated in a treaty is entirely misleading - remember how in uproar leavers were about ‘project fear’? It’s the same thing. It’s not about specific treaties; the predictions in that list are not fact and not stated in any treaties at all, so to present them as such is false.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 16 Sep 19 1.46pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Anyone with two brain cells can see how disingenerous the argument is.

Unless the UK leaves the EU everything susmik stated will come to pass.....Unless the UK leaves now it won't be given the opportunity again.

Arguing about specific treaties for this or that is reductio ad absurdum. Like focusing on your outdoor swimming pool as the tsunami comes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Sep 2019 11.38am)

I find your position the disingenuous one; conflating a prediction with a legal inevitability stated in a treaty is entirely misleading - remember how in uproar leavers were about ‘project fear’? It’s the same thing.

It’s not about specific treaties; the predictions in that list are not fact and not stated in any treaties at all, so to present them as such is false.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Sep 19 2.08pm
Originally posted by the silurian People like me? Really?And what am I like wisbech? you dont know me. Stop assuming stuff, Im just thankful Im not like you.....I never threatened 'mayhem' I just think there will be serious disorder, if/when brexit is cancelled...which is looking more and more likely Which is why I prefaced by comment with "It seems". I have no idea what you might be like in person. I only have your persona on here to make a judgement. Just as you do me, but that appears doesn't count when your respond! "Mayhem". "Serious disorder". Isn't that a little bit just semantics when neither is desirable? I don't think Brexit will be cancelled at all! I think it is very likely to be delayed again, followed by a GE which could throw up several results. Johnson could win, in which case he would either try again for a deal or go straight out. We won't get a LibDem government so a straight Remain result won't happen. An overall Labour victory looks very unlikely too. So the most likely alternative to a Tory victory would be a hung parliament which could see a variety of possibilities the most likely of which seems to me to be some kind of temporary Parliament of national unity, and a referendum with 3 options on the ballot and a single transferable vote. Leave on the already negotiated terms, Leave on WTO terms and Remain. I feel pretty sure which would win if that happened. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Sep 19 2.08pm

Originally posted by the silurian

Which is why I prefaced by comment with "It seems". I have no idea what you might be like in person. I only have your persona on here to make a judgement. Just as you do me, but that appears doesn't count when your respond!

"Mayhem". "Serious disorder". Isn't that a little bit just semantics when neither is desirable?

I don't think Brexit will be cancelled at all! I think it is very likely to be delayed again, followed by a GE which could throw up several results. Johnson could win, in which case he would either try again for a deal or go straight out. We won't get a LibDem government so a straight Remain result won't happen. An overall Labour victory looks very unlikely too. So the most likely alternative to a Tory victory would be a hung parliament which could see a variety of possibilities the most likely of which seems to me to be some kind of temporary Parliament of national unity, and a referendum with 3 options on the ballot and a single transferable vote. Leave on the already negotiated terms, Leave on WTO terms and Remain.

I feel pretty sure which would win if that happened.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 16 Sep 19 2.17pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Which is why I prefaced by comment with "It seems". I have no idea what you might be like in person. I only have your persona on here to make a judgement. Just as you do me, but that appears doesn't count when your respond! "Mayhem". "Serious disorder". Isn't that a little bit just semantics when neither is desirable? I don't think Brexit will be cancelled at all! I think it is very likely to be delayed again, followed by a GE which could throw up several results. Johnson could win, in which case he would either try again for a deal or go straight out. We won't get a LibDem government so a straight Remain result won't happen. An overall Labour victory looks very unlikely too. So the most likely alternative to a Tory victory would be a hung parliament which could see a variety of possibilities the most likely of which seems to me to be some kind of temporary Parliament of national unity, and a referendum with 3 options on the ballot and a single transferable vote. Leave on the already negotiated terms, Leave on WTO terms and Remain. I feel pretty sure which would win if that happened. You are being deliberately obtuse, I just said I think there will be disorder or mayhem,didnt say I wanted it.....glad you are so sure Lib Dums wont win an election, but I wouldnt trust Corbyn to take us out, In fact if he and his commie mates get in the EU will probably chuck us out!! The bold bit ????

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 16 Sep 19 2.17pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Which is why I prefaced by comment with "It seems". I have no idea what you might be like in person. I only have your persona on here to make a judgement. Just as you do me, but that appears doesn't count when your respond!

"Mayhem". "Serious disorder". Isn't that a little bit just semantics when neither is desirable?

I feel pretty sure which would win if that happened.

You are being deliberately obtuse, I just said I think there will be disorder or mayhem,didnt say I wanted it.....glad you are so sure Lib Dums wont win an election, but I wouldnt trust Corbyn to take us out, In fact if he and his commie mates get in the EU will probably chuck us out!!
The bold bit ????

Matov 16 Sep 19 2.23pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle .. Leave on the already negotiated terms, Leave on WTO terms and Remain. But a Remain option immediately makes any referendum lack any credible legitimacy. It was on the 2016 paper and was rejected. Why do you think that having a Remain option again achieves anything? It does not. It means a lot of people do not bother voting. It cements the narrative that our political class do not listen to what it is being told. I genuinely struggle to get my head around what you think it achieves? OK so we have the farce of this 'peoples vote'. And A50 is rescinded. Nobody on the Leave side takes it in anyway seriously. The more extreme voices gain a credibility that they lack at the moment. The divisions become absolutes. Because we rejoin, the EU carrys on as it is with its ambitions now swollen. The UK can, quite rightly, be painted now as a subdued member. Held up as an example to anybody else who dares try to challenge the status quo. Vote to Leave and you are ignored anyway. It plants the seeds of mayhem and chaos that you cannot even begin to envisage. And it is why I struggle so much with the Remainer mindset. You all like to portray yourselves as the brighter ones. That somehow your opinions are more worthy than all the others and yet you want to procede with the utter insanity of making people vote again on something like this. As a Leaver in 2016 and even more firmly of the opinion that it is the right thing to do now why should I take part in such a vote and then accept the result like a good little boy? What democratic legitimacy would a Remain result have? Why should this second vote be the definite one? I appreciate that it is somewhat of an over-done narrative but it is absolutely valid. Why not a third vote? Or a fourth? Or a fifth? There was a vote. And Remain lost. And yes, ultimately that is what democracy boils down to. People have a choice, they cast their votes and the one with the most wins. Edited by Matov (16 Sep 2019 2.25pm) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

16 Sep 19 2.23pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

.. Leave on the already negotiated terms, Leave on WTO terms and Remain.

But a Remain option immediately makes any referendum lack any credible legitimacy. It was on the 2016 paper and was rejected.

Why do you think that having a Remain option again achieves anything? It does not. It means a lot of people do not bother voting. It cements the narrative that our political class do not listen to what it is being told.

I genuinely struggle to get my head around what you think it achieves? OK so we have the farce of this 'peoples vote'. And A50 is rescinded. Nobody on the Leave side takes it in anyway seriously. The more extreme voices gain a credibility that they lack at the moment. The divisions become absolutes.

Because we rejoin, the EU carrys on as it is with its ambitions now swollen. The UK can, quite rightly, be painted now as a subdued member. Held up as an example to anybody else who dares try to challenge the status quo. Vote to Leave and you are ignored anyway.

It plants the seeds of mayhem and chaos that you cannot even begin to envisage. And it is why I struggle so much with the Remainer mindset. You all like to portray yourselves as the brighter ones. That somehow your opinions are more worthy than all the others and yet you want to procede with the utter insanity of making people vote again on something like this.

As a Leaver in 2016 and even more firmly of the opinion that it is the right thing to do now why should I take part in such a vote and then accept the result like a good little boy? What democratic legitimacy would a Remain result have? Why should this second vote be the definite one? I appreciate that it is somewhat of an over-done narrative but it is absolutely valid. Why not a third vote? Or a fourth? Or a fifth?

There was a vote. And Remain lost. And yes, ultimately that is what democracy boils down to. People have a choice, they cast their votes and the one with the most wins.

Edited by Matov (16 Sep 2019 2.25pm)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Sep 19 2.27pm
Originally posted by the silurian You are being deliberately obtuse, I just said I think there will be disorder or mayhem,didnt say I wanted it.....glad you are so sure Lib Dums wont win an election, but I wouldnt trust Corbyn to take us out, In fact if he and his commie mates get in the EU will probably chuck us out!! The bold bit ???? I didn't accuse you of wanting it, but you did predict it. I hope we are better than that. Those who wanted to Remain didn't do anything more than keep on monitoring and making their case. Which is their democratic right in our system. I don't trust Corbyn either but I think his days are numbered. Labour know that they are going no-where with him and his cabal in the primary seats. The bold bit was not knowing me personally didn't stop you expressing an opinion about me, which is what you tried to criticise me for. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Sep 19 2.27pm

Originally posted by the silurian

I didn't accuse you of wanting it, but you did predict it. I hope we are better than that. Those who wanted to Remain didn't do anything more than keep on monitoring and making their case. Which is their democratic right in our system.

I don't trust Corbyn either but I think his days are numbered. Labour know that they are going no-where with him and his cabal in the primary seats.

The bold bit was not knowing me personally didn't stop you expressing an opinion about me, which is what you tried to criticise me for.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 16 Sep 19 3.37pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I didn't accuse you of wanting it, but you did predict it. I hope we are better than that. Those who wanted to Remain didn't do anything more than keep on monitoring and making their case. Which is their democratic right in our system. I don't trust Corbyn either but I think his days are numbered. Labour know that they are going no-where with him and his cabal in the primary seats. The bold bit was not knowing me personally didn't stop you expressing an opinion about me, which is what you tried to criticise me for. Oh I reckon a lot on here have an opinion about you my friend, but as you seem to think you are in some way superior to all of us I guess that makes us equal!!

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 16 Sep 19 3.37pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't trust Corbyn either but I think his days are numbered. Labour know that they are going no-where with him and his cabal in the primary seats.

The bold bit was not knowing me personally didn't stop you expressing an opinion about me, which is what you tried to criticise me for.

Oh I reckon a lot on here have an opinion about you my friend, but as you seem to think you are in some way superior to all of us I guess that makes us equal!!

steeleye20 Croydon 16 Sep 19 4.36pm
The 'incredible hulk' flops again. Ridiculed by the Luxembourg PM, unable to face a press conference so they just went on anyway without him. Another day in brexit banana-land. Brought to you by the Conservative party.

steeleye20

Croydon 16 Sep 19 4.36pm

The 'incredible hulk' flops again.

Ridiculed by the Luxembourg PM, unable to face a press conference so they just went on anyway without him.

Another day in brexit banana-land.

Brought to you by the Conservative party.

Stirlingsays 16 Sep 19 4.39pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The 'incredible hulk' flops again. Ridiculed by the Luxembourg PM, unable to face a press conference so they just went on anyway without him. Another day in brexit banana-land. Brought to you by the Conservative party. You were Faraged and then you were Johnsoned and now you sound like a bitter and faded 'metoo' hollywood actress looking for attention. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

16 Sep 19 4.39pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The 'incredible hulk' flops again.

Ridiculed by the Luxembourg PM, unable to face a press conference so they just went on anyway without him.

Another day in brexit banana-land.

Brought to you by the Conservative party.

You were Faraged and then you were Johnsoned and now you sound like a bitter and faded 'metoo' hollywood actress looking for attention.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 16 Sep 19 4.40pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Which is why I prefaced by comment with "It seems". I have no idea what you might be like in person. I only have your persona on here to make a judgement. Just as you do me, but that appears doesn't count when your respond! "Mayhem". "Serious disorder". Isn't that a little bit just semantics when neither is desirable? I don't think Brexit will be cancelled at all! I think it is very likely to be delayed again, followed by a GE which could throw up several results. Johnson could win, in which case he would either try again for a deal or go straight out. We won't get a LibDem government so a straight Remain result won't happen. An overall Labour victory looks very unlikely too. So the most likely alternative to a Tory victory would be a hung parliament which could see a variety of possibilities the most likely of which seems to me to be some kind of temporary Parliament of national unity, and a referendum with 3 options on the ballot and a single transferable vote. Leave on the already negotiated terms, Leave on WTO terms and Remain. I feel pretty sure which would win if that happened. Makes no sense. What did I say about you as I cant remember or find the post.... PS The voting paper (and your darling Cameron) said LEAVE or REMAIN IT was he said your choice, not the MPs Not Parliament BUT YOU THE PEOPLE......shame the MPs didnt listen to him!!

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 16 Sep 19 4.40pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Which is why I prefaced by comment with "It seems". I have no idea what you might be like in person. I only have your persona on here to make a judgement. Just as you do me, but that appears doesn't count when your respond!

"Mayhem". "Serious disorder". Isn't that a little bit just semantics when neither is desirable?

I feel pretty sure which would win if that happened.

Makes no sense. What did I say about you as I cant remember or find the post....

PS The voting paper (and your darling Cameron) said LEAVE or REMAIN
IT was he said your choice, not the MPs Not Parliament BUT YOU THE PEOPLE......shame the MPs didnt listen to him!!

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 16 Sep 19 4.42pm
Originally posted by susmik I am afraid that Wisbech Eagle always posts shyte and you wont stop him I am afraid. I have given up trying to debate with him as he will always twist things around to suit his point of view. Its rather like the arguments that used to be on here with Willo over his absurd defence of Clattenburg and other referees, at least Willo (and Clattenberg) eventually gave up.

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 16 Sep 19 4.42pm

Originally posted by susmik

I am afraid that Wisbech Eagle always posts shyte and you wont stop him I am afraid. I have given up trying to debate with him as he will always twist things around to suit his point of view.

Its rather like the arguments that used to be on here with Willo over his absurd defence of Clattenburg and other referees, at least Willo (and Clattenberg) eventually gave up.

steeleye20 Croydon 16 Sep 19 4.45pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays You were Faraged and then you were Johnsoned and now you sound like a bitter and faded 'metoo' hollywood actress looking for attention. I will not be Faraged as he does not have one parliamentary seat. Until he does he is what he has always been, a nobody.

steeleye20

Croydon 16 Sep 19 4.45pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You were Faraged and then you were Johnsoned and now you sound like a bitter and faded 'metoo' hollywood actress looking for attention.

I will not be Faraged as he does not have one parliamentary seat.

Until he does he is what he has always been, a nobody.

Stirlingsays 16 Sep 19 5.02pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 I will not be Faraged as he does not have one parliamentary seat. Until he does he is what he has always been, a nobody. Stop crying darling....shall I ring you a cab home? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

16 Sep 19 5.02pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I will not be Faraged as he does not have one parliamentary seat.

Until he does he is what he has always been, a nobody.

Stop crying darling....shall I ring you a cab home?

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Sep 19 5.14pm
Originally posted by the silurian Oh I reckon a lot on here have an opinion about you my friend, but as you seem to think you are in some way superior to all of us I guess that makes us equal!! That many hold an opinion is fairly obvious but not really the point is it? I don't believe myself superior to anyone actually. There's plenty of people much more able than me. I am though able to see bias and prejudices for what they are and value our democratic system of government rather more than many do here. Why this forum attracts and tolerates such a group is actually worthy of analysis. It isn't a normal cross section of UK opinion. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Sep 19 5.14pm

Originally posted by the silurian

Oh I reckon a lot on here have an opinion about you my friend, but as you seem to think you are in some way superior to all of us I guess that makes us equal!!

That many hold an opinion is fairly obvious but not really the point is it?

I don't believe myself superior to anyone actually. There's plenty of people much more able than me. I am though able to see bias and prejudices for what they are and value our democratic system of government rather more than many do here. Why this forum attracts and tolerates such a group is actually worthy of analysis. It isn't a normal cross section of UK opinion.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

DanH SW2 16 Sep 19 5.26pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The 'incredible hulk' flops again. Ridiculed by the Luxembourg PM, unable to face a press conference so they just went on anyway without him. Another day in brexit banana-land. Brought to you by the Conservative party. Imagine if you had recently run an ad campaign calling Corbyn a chicken too.

DanH

SW2 16 Sep 19 5.26pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The 'incredible hulk' flops again.

Ridiculed by the Luxembourg PM, unable to face a press conference so they just went on anyway without him.

Another day in brexit banana-land.

Brought to you by the Conservative party.

Imagine if you had recently run an ad campaign calling Corbyn a chicken too.

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