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 madcap_v2  SE25 / Ibiza 08 Jul 21 8.56pm |
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Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle
Have a go though, genuinely interested in your answer You want me to speak with authority on something I'm not qualified to answer? On the internet? No thanks. But I don't believe being able to jump/run is mutually exclusive to having intelligence and business acumen.
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| Spiderman Horsham 08 Jul 21 9.35pm |
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Originally posted by madcap_v2
Where did I mention supremacy? It's an awful example and your brain went there. Why? I later followed up with my pride of a multicultural England team. That includes the white players. I didn’t say you did mention it, if you had read my post I asked IF there had been a poster of all the white players, with the slogan white supremacy. What would your view be? Edited by Spiderman (08 Jul 2021 9.38pm)
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cryrst  The garden of England 08 Jul 21 9.36pm |
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Originally posted by madcap_v2
I was born in 1984, the 66 team has nothing to do with my lifetime But slavery does. Do you see the irony?
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| madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 08 Jul 21 9.46pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I didn’t say you did mention it, if you had read my post I asked IF there had been a poster of all the white players, with the slogan white supremacy. What would your view be? Edited by Spiderman (08 Jul 2021 9.38pm) Whataboutery. And I posted it because it's a particularly powerful image, given the current situation with the England players taking the knee for racial equality and I'm very proud of being a black Englishman. I thought blacks being proud of being part of this nation, was a big positive, no?
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| madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 08 Jul 21 9.51pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
But slavery does. Do you see the irony? Nope. Very weird analogy too. If I was alive in '66 I'd be proud of the team, because I was born in England. However, I'm more proud of this current set of players because of how diverse and multicultural the team is and that someone like me (Raheem Sterling for example, being of Jamaican heritage) is driving England towards a major tournament win. If I was alive during the times of slavery, I'd probably be a slave.
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| Tom-the-eagle Croydon 08 Jul 21 9.56pm |
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Originally posted by madcap_v2
You want me to speak with authority on something I'm not qualified to answer? On the internet? No thanks. But I don't believe being able to jump/run is mutually exclusive to having intelligence and business acumen. Didn’t ask you to speak with authority, just your own opinion. If you don’t want to answer, that’s cool
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| DanH SW2 08 Jul 21 10.21pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Really? That's some change considering months ago on here you directly stated, 'what is English anyway', directly arguing against the idea of the English ethnicity.....which, by the way, is officially recognised. Yep. It’s good to be proud of your heritage and your roots. But not to think it makes you better than anyone else. And that’s still a genuine question - it means so many different things to many different people. To me, this England team are the embodiment of the modern day England that I know and love - a mix of people from different backgrounds coming together to be successful. You can see just how much they all get on as well and that’s always been my experience growing up with people different to me. If you had your way then very few of the squad would even exist let alone be eligible to play for England.
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| Stirlingsays 08 Jul 21 10.35pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Yep. It’s good to be proud of your heritage and your roots. But not to think it makes you better than anyone else. And that’s still a genuine question - it means so many different things to many different people. To me, this England team are the embodiment of the modern day England that I know and love - a mix of people from different backgrounds coming together to be successful. You can see just how much they all get on as well and that’s always been my experience growing up with people different to me. If you had your way then very few of the squad would even exist let alone be eligible to play for England. I don't know how you get that. However sure, I'd certainly have more ethnically English actually playing for the English team. As Trevor Noah said, Africa won the world cup, not France. As for 'if you had your way'. I think I've made it clear that it's way way too late for people like me to 'have their way'. In my view thinking in those terms is unrealistic. The English signed their own death warrant back in the fifties and sixties....by the mid seventies it was already too late. The English created the modern world and then meekly allowed their own elites to kill them off for profit and Disney land concepts. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jul 2021 10.37pm)
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Teddy Eagle  08 Jul 21 10.36pm |
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Originally posted by madcap_v2
Nope. Very weird analogy too. If I was alive in '66 I'd be proud of the team, because I was born in England. However, I'm more proud of this current set of players because of how diverse and multicultural the team is and that someone like me (Raheem Sterling for example, being of Jamaican heritage) is driving England towards a major tournament win. If I was alive during the times of slavery, I'd probably be a slave. And if I’d been alive then I’d have had to survive an infant mortality rate of 30% and had a life expectancy of 40 after working in a factory for 12/14 hours a day. Not many had a good time back then.
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| DanH SW2 08 Jul 21 10.40pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I don't know how you get that. However sure, I'd certainly have more ethnically English actually playing for the English team. As Trevor Noah said, Africa won the world cup, not France. As for 'if you had your way'. I think I've made it clear that it's way way too late for people like me to 'have their way'. In my view thinking in those terms is unrealistic. The English signed their own death warrant back in the fifties and sixties....by the mid seventies it was already too late. The English created the modern world and then meekly allowed their own elites to kill them off for profit and Disney land concepts. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jul 2021 10.37pm) You want European only immigration from a select few countries. That means that half our squads’ parents would never have been allowed to come here. So they either wouldn’t exist as their parents would never have met or they wouldn’t have been allowed to set foot in this country.
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| cryrst The garden of England 08 Jul 21 10.41pm |
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Originally posted by madcap_v2
Nope. Very weird analogy too. If I was alive in '66 I'd be proud of the team, because I was born in England. However, I'm more proud of this current set of players because of how diverse and multicultural the team is and that someone like me (Raheem Sterling for example, being of Jamaican heritage) is driving England towards a major tournament win. If I was alive during the times of slavery, I'd probably be a slave. I doubt it. You would probably have been a slave trader with your accumin. More blacks sold slaves than whites!
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| Stirlingsays 08 Jul 21 10.45pm |
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Originally posted by madcap_v2
Nope. Very weird analogy too. If I was alive in '66 I'd be proud of the team, because I was born in England. However, I'm more proud of this current set of players because of how diverse and multicultural the team is and that someone like me (Raheem Sterling for example, being of Jamaican heritage) is driving England towards a major tournament win. If I was alive during the times of slavery, I'd probably be a slave. Not if you were born in England.
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| Stirlingsays 08 Jul 21 10.46pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
You want European only immigration from a select few countries. That means that half our squads’ parents would never have been allowed to come here. So they either wouldn’t exist as their parents would never have met or they wouldn’t have been allowed to set foot in this country. That makes no sense. Are you sure you don't just make the teas in the office?
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| DanH SW2 08 Jul 21 10.51pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
That makes no sense. Are you sure you don't just make the teas in the office? Of course it makes sense. It’s your worldview which doesn’t make sense and is completely unrealistic. How would Raheem Sterling, our best player in the tournament so far, be able to play for England if his mum had never been able to immigrate from Jamaica?
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| Stirlingsays 08 Jul 21 11.00pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Of course it makes sense. It’s your worldview which doesn’t make sense and is completely unrealistic. How would Raheem Sterling, our best player in the tournament so far, be able to play for England if his mum had never been able to immigrate from Jamaica? I've already said my view is unrealistic....perhaps you aren't following. What I queried was the line, 'very few of the squad would even exist'. Let me explain this to you Dan. People are the result of two genetic lines. Those people are not required to be in England for a child to be born. Your point seems to be more a simplistic stance on fate and existentialism than anything else....not that I think you consider those things. Also I don't think I've never advocated for a ban on non Europeans ever setting foot in the country.....you just make hay with your assumptions. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jul 2021 11.05pm)
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| madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 08 Jul 21 11.29pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Not if you were born in England. Who knows, who cares? All I know is I was born in 1984 and this Sunday, in 2021, I will most likely be in a pub, drenched in beer, arm in arm singing SWEET CAROLINE with whites, blacks, asians etc as my diverse and multicultural National Football Team lift the trophy. It's Coming Home. Edited by madcap_v2 (08 Jul 2021 11.29pm) Edited by madcap_v2 (08 Jul 2021 11.30pm)
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| Eaglecoops CR3 08 Jul 21 11.36pm |
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Originally posted by madcap_v2
Who knows, who cares? All I know is I was born in 1984 and this Sunday, in 2021, I will most likely be in a pub, drenched in beer, arm in arm singing SWEET CAROLINE with whites, blacks, asians etc as my diverse and multicultural National Football Team lift the trophy. It's Coming Home. Edited by madcap_v2 (08 Jul 2021 11.29pm) Edited by madcap_v2 (08 Jul 2021 11.30pm) Shame you couldn’t post a picture to reflect that instead of that divisive crap you did post.
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| madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 09 Jul 21 12.07am |
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What's divisive about it? Unless you're not an England fan...Come on England!!
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| DanH SW2 09 Jul 21 12.18am |
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Originally posted by madcap_v2
What's divisive about it? Unless you're not an England fan...Come on England!! It’s divisive when you do it. Not when they post on here 24/7 about race issues.
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| DanH SW2 09 Jul 21 1.06am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I've already said my view is unrealistic....perhaps you aren't following. What I queried was the line, 'very few of the squad would even exist'. Let me explain this to you Dan. People are the result of two genetic lines. Those people are not required to be in England for a child to be born. Your point seems to be more a simplistic stance on fate and existentialism than anything else....not that I think you consider those things. Also I don't think I've never advocated for a ban on non Europeans ever setting foot in the country.....you just make hay with your assumptions. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jul 2021 11.05pm) I don’t think you really truly know what it is you actually want. You’ve been so consumed with online right wing rhetoric your brain is muddled into thinking it wants some sort of old nostalgic England but not sure what that actually is. And you’ve been left behind in a world that constantly adapts, changes and thrives with the times. This England team *is* England. Embrace it; it’s a lot of fun.
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