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dannyboy1978 09 Jul 21 6.21am
Originally posted by DanH I don’t think you really truly know what it is you actually want. You’ve been so consumed with online right wing rhetoric your brain is muddled into thinking it wants some sort of old nostalgic England but not sure what that actually is. And you’ve been left behind in a world that constantly adapts, changes and thrives with the times. This England team is England. Embrace it; it’s a lot of fun. "Thrives with the times " We have mass immigration to help the ecconomy yet r owe trillions of pounds for our troubles. Embrace mass immigration everyone so we can build everywhere. [Link] [Link] Edited by dannyboy1978 (09 Jul 2021 6.32am)

dannyboy1978

09 Jul 21 6.21am

Originally posted by DanH

I don’t think you really truly know what it is you actually want. You’ve been so consumed with online right wing rhetoric your brain is muddled into thinking it wants some sort of old nostalgic England but not sure what that actually is.

And you’ve been left behind in a world that constantly adapts, changes and thrives with the times. This England team *is* England. Embrace it; it’s a lot of fun.

"Thrives with the times "

We have mass immigration to help the ecconomy yet r owe trillions of pounds for our troubles.
Embrace mass immigration everyone so we can build everywhere. [Link]

[Link]

Edited by dannyboy1978 (09 Jul 2021 6.32am)

Spiderman Horsham 09 Jul 21 6.37am
Originally posted by madcap_v2 Whataboutery. And I posted it because it's a particularly powerful image, given the current situation with the England players taking the knee for racial equality and I'm very proud of being a black Englishman. I thought blacks being proud of being part of this nation, was a big positive, no? Edited by madcap_v2 (08 Jul 2021 9.55pm) Of course you should be proud to be a black Englishman and being part of this nation. You obviously don’t want to answer my point, but that is your prerogative, imo the poster was antagonist and unnecessary, as anyone watching the football ( and knows anything about the game) would be fully aware of the contribution made by those on the poster. Personally the colour of a players skin does not cross my mind when I am watching a game, to me they are just players. If choose not to believe then fine, your choice. I must admit I thiught the taking of the knee was for all forms of equality/prejudice, not just racial, I stand corrected Edited by Spiderman (09 Jul 2021 6.45am) Edited by Spiderman (09 Jul 2021 6.46am)

Spiderman

Horsham 09 Jul 21 6.37am

Originally posted by madcap_v2

Whataboutery.

And I posted it because it's a particularly powerful image, given the current situation with the England players taking the knee for racial equality and I'm very proud of being a black Englishman. I thought blacks being proud of being part of this nation, was a big positive, no?

Edited by madcap_v2 (08 Jul 2021 9.55pm)

Of course you should be proud to be a black Englishman and being part of this nation. You obviously don’t want to answer my point, but that is your prerogative, imo the poster was antagonist and unnecessary, as anyone watching the football ( and knows anything about the game) would be fully aware of the contribution made by those on the poster. Personally the colour of a players skin does not cross my mind when I am watching a game, to me they are just players. If choose not to believe then fine, your choice.
I must admit I thiught the taking of the knee was for all forms of equality/prejudice, not just racial, I stand corrected

Edited by Spiderman (09 Jul 2021 6.45am)

Edited by Spiderman (09 Jul 2021 6.46am)

Stirlingsays 09 Jul 21 9.13am
Originally posted by DanH I don’t think you really truly know what it is you actually want. You’ve been so consumed with online right wing rhetoric your brain is muddled into thinking it wants some sort of old nostalgic England but not sure what that actually is. And you’ve been left behind in a world that constantly adapts, changes and thrives with the times. This England team is England. Embrace it; it’s a lot of fun. I think what's more true is that you find it hard to understand different perspectives so you choose to demonise them instead. You think you like diversity but you want everyone to feel the same about a society that you aren't actually living in Mr Essex. You aren't that interested in the reality of your ideas and their outcomes you're far more interested in the dream. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

09 Jul 21 9.13am

Originally posted by DanH

And you’ve been left behind in a world that constantly adapts, changes and thrives with the times. This England team *is* England. Embrace it; it’s a lot of fun.

I think what's more true is that you find it hard to understand different perspectives so you choose to demonise them instead.

You think you like diversity but you want everyone to feel the same about a society that you aren't actually living in Mr Essex.

You aren't that interested in the reality of your ideas and their outcomes you're far more interested in the dream.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 09 Jul 21 9.50am
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle Serious question, and generalising. Why do you believe blacks do so well at running and jumping and music but not at academia or business? Serious question if you care to take it on. Do you remember in the 80s when the West Indies ruled cricket? There was a news item on the BBC asking why their pace bowlers were so lethal and one suggestion was that West Indians had thin pelvises, which gave them more body flexibility. Seriously, and it wasn't April the 1st either!

Slimey Toad

Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 09 Jul 21 9.50am

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Serious question, and generalising. Why do you believe blacks do so well at running and jumping and music but not at academia or business?

Serious question if you care to take it on.

Do you remember in the 80s when the West Indies ruled cricket? There was a news item on the BBC asking why their pace bowlers were so lethal and one suggestion was that West Indians had thin pelvises, which gave them more body flexibility.

Seriously, and it wasn't April the 1st either!

PalazioVecchio south pole 09 Jul 21 10.10am
Originally posted by DanH You want European only immigration from a select few countries. That means that half our squads’ parents would never have been allowed to come here. So they either wouldn’t exist as their parents would never have met or they wouldn’t have been allowed to set foot in this country. The footballers "parents" or just their fathers Dan ? Let's look at 1,000 young fellas kicking a ball around your local park ? Is this balanced, equitable & fair ? Are zaha & raheem sterling in a minority by having overseas mothers ? Maybe ? With the Rio ferdinand/Ashley Cole type footballers far more prevalent ? And as for Bromley's raducanu tennis sensation? Good luck to her. I wonder if she has been feted on telly in Romania & China also for lucrative sponsorship ? Tories/ labour like open borders cos it is good for investors & business. But there is more to gender-balance than a balanced National accounts. Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

PalazioVecchio

south pole 09 Jul 21 10.10am

Originally posted by DanH

You want European only immigration from a select few countries. That means that half our squads’ parents would never have been allowed to come here. So they either wouldn’t exist as their parents would never have met or they wouldn’t have been allowed to set foot in this country.

The footballers "parents" or just their fathers Dan ?

Let's look at 1,000 young fellas kicking a ball around your local park ? Is this balanced, equitable & fair ?

Are zaha & raheem sterling in a minority by having overseas mothers ? Maybe ?

With the Rio ferdinand/Ashley Cole type footballers far more prevalent ?

And as for Bromley's raducanu tennis sensation? Good luck to her. I wonder if she has been feted on telly in Romania & China also for lucrative sponsorship ?

Tories/ labour like open borders cos it is good for investors & business. But there is more to gender-balance than a balanced National accounts.

Kayla did Anfield & Old Trafford

Eaglecoops CR3 09 Jul 21 11.19am
Originally posted by DanH It’s divisive when you do it. Not when they post on here 24/7 about race issues. If you think posting a picture with half the England team which all happen to be a different colour to the rest of the squad together with a political gesture and then claiming this is "my England" is not inflammatory, divisive and deliberately posted for that effect, then fine, you can have that opinion. Just don't expect it is reasonable for others to not think that way.

Eaglecoops

CR3 09 Jul 21 11.19am

Originally posted by DanH

It’s divisive when you do it. Not when they post on here 24/7 about race issues.

If you think posting a picture with half the England team which all happen to be a different colour to the rest of the squad together with a political gesture and then claiming this is "my England" is not inflammatory, divisive and deliberately posted for that effect, then fine, you can have that opinion.

Just don't expect it is reasonable for others to not think that way.

Pembroke Bristol 09 Jul 21 11.48am
Originally posted by madcap_v2 I love my England team. It's coming home!; Who created that image?

Pembroke

Bristol 09 Jul 21 11.48am

Originally posted by madcap_v2

I love my England team. It's coming home!;

Who created that image?

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 09 Jul 21 12.21pm
Originally posted by Pembroke Who created that image? how would I know this? It got sent in a whatsapp group La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 09 Jul 21 12.21pm

Originally posted by Pembroke

Who created that image?

how would I know this? It got sent in a whatsapp group

La la la your mum

Stirlingsays 09 Jul 21 12.32pm
Notice how the left fall silent when there is obvious black ethnocentrism, yet when it's white ethnocentrism they scream neo Nazi and racism. It was never about equality (which doesn't exist)...but people love to believe comfortable lies. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jul 2021 12.33pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

09 Jul 21 12.32pm

Notice how the left fall silent when there is obvious black ethnocentrism, yet when it's white ethnocentrism they scream neo Nazi and racism.

It was never about equality (which doesn't exist)...but people love to believe comfortable lies.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jul 2021 12.33pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Pembroke Bristol 09 Jul 21 12.33pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 how would I know this? It got sent in a whatsapp group By asking, by checking its link .. What sort of whats app group shares images like that? Who are this group?

Pembroke

Bristol 09 Jul 21 12.33pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

how would I know this? It got sent in a whatsapp group

By asking, by checking its link .. What sort of whats app group shares images like that? Who are this group?

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 09 Jul 21 12.56pm
Originally posted by Pembroke By asking, by checking its link .. What sort of whats app group shares images like that? Who are this group? The image doesn't outrage me because I'm not a bigot. So why would I ask or care for it's origin? It's celebrating the black contribution to this England team despite a vocal minority or people opposing a gesture for racial equality. A group of friends, obviously. La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 09 Jul 21 12.56pm

Originally posted by Pembroke

By asking, by checking its link .. What sort of whats app group shares images like that? Who are this group?

The image doesn't outrage me because I'm not a bigot. So why would I ask or care for it's origin? It's celebrating the black contribution to this England team despite a vocal minority or people opposing a gesture for racial equality.

A group of friends, obviously.

La la la your mum

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 09 Jul 21 12.58pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Notice how the left fall silent when there is obvious black ethnocentrism, yet when it's white ethnocentrism they scream neo Nazi and racism. It was never about equality (which doesn't exist)...but people love to believe comfortable lies. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jul 2021 12.33pm) DanH has explained the difference to you, many times. La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 09 Jul 21 12.58pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Notice how the left fall silent when there is obvious black ethnocentrism, yet when it's white ethnocentrism they scream neo Nazi and racism.

It was never about equality (which doesn't exist)...but people love to believe comfortable lies.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jul 2021 12.33pm)

DanH has explained the difference to you, many times.

La la la your mum

Stirlingsays 09 Jul 21 1.02pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 DanH has explained the difference to you, many times. That you and him get to be racist but anyone disagreeing with you doesn't? Yep he certainly has. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

09 Jul 21 1.02pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

DanH has explained the difference to you, many times.

That you and him get to be racist but anyone disagreeing with you doesn't?

Yep he certainly has.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Badger11 Beckenham 09 Jul 21 1.11pm
Interesting comment from a lady who is a camp survivor however it applies to many other people in all walks of life. Edited by Badger11 (09 Jul 2021 1.11pm) Attachment: IMG_4674.jpg (2,533.10Kb) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 09 Jul 21 1.11pm

Interesting comment from a lady who is a camp survivor however it applies to many other people in all walks of life.

Edited by Badger11 (09 Jul 2021 1.11pm)

Attachment: IMG_4674.jpg (2,533.10Kb)

One more point

Pembroke Bristol 09 Jul 21 1.13pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 The image doesn't outrage me because I'm not a bigot. So why would I ask or care for it's origin? It's celebrating the black contribution to this England team despite a vocal minority or people opposing a gesture for racial equality. A group of friends, obviously. The image perplexes me .. Hence my whys? You would care if you were not prejudiced. That you do not care (?) highlights your values and your perception of others as less worthy. It's celebrating the black contribution to this England team .. Is it? If you do not know who created the image, where it comes from you will not understand its whys .. The image is provocative .. The image could have been created to provoke and be divisive .. You have made a decision that the image will create outrage to who you perceive to be bigots = That is not an image created to be celebratory. If the image was reframed to highlight only white players and the world black removed for white .. I suspect you would care vociferously. Edited by Pembroke (09 Jul 2021 1.22pm)

Pembroke

Bristol 09 Jul 21 1.13pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

A group of friends, obviously.

The image perplexes me .. Hence my whys?

You would care if you were not prejudiced. That you do not care (?) highlights your values and your perception of others as less worthy.

It's celebrating the black contribution to this England team .. Is it? If you do not know who created the image, where it comes from you will not understand
its whys .. The image is provocative .. The image could have been created to provoke and be divisive .. You have made a decision that the image will create outrage to who you perceive to be bigots = That is not an image created to be celebratory.

If the image was reframed to highlight only white players and the world black removed for white .. I suspect you would care vociferously.

Edited by Pembroke (09 Jul 2021 1.22pm)

Pembroke Bristol 09 Jul 21 1.14pm
Double post .. My knuckles dragging on the floor are problematic madcap. Edited by Pembroke (09 Jul 2021 1.20pm)

Pembroke

Bristol 09 Jul 21 1.14pm

Double post .. My knuckles dragging on the floor are problematic madcap.

Edited by Pembroke (09 Jul 2021 1.20pm)

madcap_v2 SE25 / Ibiza 09 Jul 21 1.15pm
Originally posted by Pembroke The image perplexes me .. Hence my whys? You would care if you were not prejudiced. That you do not care (?) highlights your values and your perception of others as less worthy. It's celebrating the black contribution to this England team .. Is it? If you do not know who created the image, where it comes from you will not understand its whys .. The image is provocative .. The image could have be created to provoke and be divisive .. You have made a decision that the image will create outrage to who you perceive to be bigots = That is not an image created to be celebratory. If the image was reframed to highlight only white players and the world black removed for white .. I suspect you would care vociferously. We are all one. One beautiful, diverse and multicultural England team. And I couldn't be prouder of them ALL. And it's coming home. La la la your mum

madcap_v2

SE25 / Ibiza 09 Jul 21 1.15pm

Originally posted by Pembroke

The image perplexes me .. Hence my whys?

You would care if you were not prejudiced. That you do not care (?) highlights your values and your perception of others as less worthy.

It's celebrating the black contribution to this England team .. Is it? If you do not know who created the image, where it comes from you will not understand
its whys .. The image is provocative .. The image could have be created to provoke and be divisive .. You have made a decision that the image will create outrage to who you perceive to be bigots = That is not an image created to be celebratory.

If the image was reframed to highlight only white players and the world black removed for white .. I suspect you would care vociferously.

We are all one. One beautiful, diverse and multicultural England team. And I couldn't be prouder of them ALL.

And it's coming home.

La la la your mum

Pembroke Bristol 09 Jul 21 1.24pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 diverse and multicultural Your image removed diversity ..

Pembroke

Bristol 09 Jul 21 1.24pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

diverse and multicultural

Your image removed diversity ..

Stirlingsays 09 Jul 21 1.38pm
Originally posted by madcap_v2 We are all one. One beautiful, diverse and multicultural England team. And I couldn't be prouder of them ALL. And it's coming home. When your obvious biases get exposed and questioned it's suddenly 'we are all one'. I have no problem with your bias because it's natural, but the word salad and hypocrisy will always annoy me. Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jul 2021 1.39pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

09 Jul 21 1.38pm

Originally posted by madcap_v2

We are all one. One beautiful, diverse and multicultural England team. And I couldn't be prouder of them ALL.

And it's coming home.

When your obvious biases get exposed and questioned it's suddenly 'we are all one'.

I have no problem with your bias because it's natural, but the word salad and hypocrisy will always annoy me.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jul 2021 1.39pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Eaglecoops CR3 09 Jul 21 2.42pm
Originally posted by Badger11 Interesting comment from a lady who is a camp survivor however it applies to many other people in all walks of life. Edited by Badger11 (09 Jul 2021 1.11pm) I trust that was something a tad more harrowing than Summer camp that she is referring to Badger, although I know some who would feel that way if forced to be outdoors!

Eaglecoops

CR3 09 Jul 21 2.42pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Interesting comment from a lady who is a camp survivor however it applies to many other people in all walks of life.

Edited by Badger11 (09 Jul 2021 1.11pm)

I trust that was something a tad more harrowing than Summer camp that she is referring to Badger, although I know some who would feel that way if forced to be outdoors!

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