Well a lot of us don't oppose an EU Steely.....It's all about what type of EU we are talking about.

The type of EU that Thatcher wanted wasn't the EU that happened.

Mind you the EU is like all organisations.....it wants to expand and centralise.

All very German.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Actually I remember she said that, when the plane landed at Brussels, the engines stopped whining but Neil Kinnock's whining had only just started.

The arrest of James Goddard is a very sinister developenent. I’m sure all the lefties on here will be delighted as he’s already been labelled as far right along with anyone else who actively involved with campaigning for Brexit.

Dark times for democracy and I can only hope we can look back on this point in history as a turning point to something more positive. I’m not at all optimistic right now.

You’re right Stirling. Thanks.

Hmmm. Normally if you're contemplating seismic constitutional change you require more than a simple majority, two thirds say in the case of ghe Danish Euro one.

Whether Brexit is seismic constitutional change is moot though. I think it will make sod all difference to anything and is just meant to make it look as if we have a say in stuff. Norway isn't in the EU but it still reports the name, shape, whereabouts, shoe size and blood group of every prawn its creelers catch just like we do. (Admittedly the XML schema is different).

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Yep. A line from which there is no going back. Having read the Sunday papers and I suspect that this is the week in which we see the Establishment for what it truly is and then we all have to look ourselves in the mirror and ask the crucial question.

Can we allow ourselves to accept the blow and sink to our knees? Or is it better to risk everything to at least try and fight back? Is it better to live as an effective slave where your vote is deemed of less consequence than those who disagree with you or die as a man who is willing to stand up for what you truly believe in? And yes, this does all sound a tad hysterical but I struggle to understand how anybody cannot comprehend the sheer enormity of what many in our higher echelons of power seem to be now actively conspiring to bring about.

In terms of the actual stab about to be delivered to British democracy, my only hope is that the knife lands in the front in terms of them simply tearing up Article 50 rather than make us go through the farce of another referendum which will be rigged from the outset. My loathing for the instigators of such a betrayal would not be lessened but at least I can grant them the modicum of respect for looking me in the eye as they deliver the blow.

But if we have not effectively left the European Union by April 1st then I consider myself to be in a state of insurgency against any and every institution of the British Government.

Because this then becomes personal. I voted on June 23rd 2016 in utter good faith that my vote would count. That the result would be honoured. And if it is not then as far as I am concerned I have no more loyalty to the British state because it is no longer a functioning democracy. It is an effective dictatorship.

Now how that insurgency will pan out I have no desire to even think about at the moment. At the very least I cut out any and everybody who cheers on this treachery out of my life. Friends, family, business establishments, any and everything. I always liked to think that I adhered to the admittedly rather nihilist sentiment in the poem ‘An Irish Airman foresees his death’ with that entire ‘those I guard I do not love, those I fight I do not hate’ spiel was always my motto and if the truth be told I found myself often preferring to socialise with those whose opinions differed to mine on many many subjects. Always saw Politics as almost a sport really with all the usual ebb and flow associated with any combative past-time but with no excuses for not sitting around a table late at night and sharing a beverage with your opponents. Civility mattered. But on this, no. That goes out of the window. There simply cannot be any room in my life for those who want to see my vote on June 23rd tossed aside.

It will be a simple equation. If we are still in the EU on April 1st and you are not repulsed about that, I no longer want you in my life because I might have to really go toe to toe with you. And I cannot fight friends.

Direct action to oppose this betrayal will be perfectly justified. Ignoring the vote on June 23rd breaks the social contract. Parliament decided, on the back of a huge majority, to ask the British people if they wanted to remain in the EU or leave it. And record numbers voted in a majority decision for our exit. It really is that simple. There are no ifs or buts or attempts to make out that it was not binding. We were told our decision would be acted upon. If it is not, then our system of Governance no longer has a validity and I believe that we have a moral duty to seek to overthrow that.

My biggest desire is that I can look back on this post on April 1st and feel more than a little foolish because this is going to hurt a lot it really is. But I am adamant about cutting out anybody from my life who is not appalled by what might be panning out in the weeks to come.

Never has the entire ‘Rubicon’ notion been so uppermost in my mind but I know I will cross it and whilst I will emerge on the other side with tears streaming down my face, the truth is that there will be no going back from that moment on. This is potentially, and once again I reiterate my heartfelt desire to read back over this at a later date and cringe at how I had nothing to worry about, the single biggest political decision any of us will have to make and we stand at a true turning point in British history.

And there will be no excuse for not choosing a side because this is pivotal. Crucial. Everything that we have been told about how important it is for us to vote, how people died for our right to vote, is all on the line.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.