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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
It isn’t semantics because unlawful and illegal have, as Becky highlighted, have different definitions. Had Johnson committed an illegal act he could go to prison. He didn’t. And once again he was acting on advice from the Attorney General. I am no lawyer but this seems to me to be just a diversion which, as it makes no difference at all to the outcome of yesterday's decision, really is semantics. I think you are wrong though. People can be sent to prison for unlawful acts, although it was never going to be appropriate in this case. I found this explanation:- In brief; lawful and legal differ in that 'lawful' contemplates the substance of law [its content], whereas 'legal' alludes to the form of law [its form or appearance]. In effect it appears to make no difference to outcomes.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Germany is about to go into significant recession. The EU economy is at a practical standstill. Despite remainers constantly trying to talk down the UK economy down we have been resilient. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Sep 2019 3.56pm) If only your posts would go into recession. Do you ever do anything else.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
If only your posts would go into recession. Do you ever do anything else. Truth hurts doesn't it Steely. Never mind, ask Nursey to stick some painkiller in the next bottle. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Sep 2019 4.16pm)
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Originally posted by Matov
LOL. It has certainly opened my eyes. I had always considered myself to be politically savvy but if you had told me on July 24th that we would still be in the EU and with people actively conspiring to maintain that state of affairs then I would have dismissed it as fantasy. I bore myself now with this but it was an exercise in democracy that has never been bettered, at least in my life time. Huge turn-out, record number of votes cast and a winning margin that offered a clear winner. And with each vote counting for the same. No rotten boroughs or safe seats but just two piles of votes and the highest one winning. Still you live and learn. But it has to be ended. The only remaining method of bringing this to a close is a General Election. Parliament has failed to honour its promise and as such, it requires a reset. Then perhaps we can start the process of forgiving the Remain side who refused to accept the result from June 23rd. It will be hard but it has to be done. And no more referendums. I'll never forgive the remain side because its them that have caused most of the crap we're going through at the moment by not honouring the democratic vote in 2016 and forcing no-deal off the table. No matter what deal (if any) comes back, Corbyn, Swinson, Hammond and their mates will oppose it because Boris got it. It's got sod all to do with what's best for the country. They remind me of the kid you see throwing a tantrum on the supermarket floor because they didn't get what they wanted. They're all curnts.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
If only your posts would go into recession. Do you ever do anything else. So says the man who only ever posts rubbish
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Germany is about to go into significant recession. The EU economy is at a practical standstill. Despite remainers constantly trying to talk down the UK economy down we have been resilient. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Sep 2019 3.56pm) German manufactured exports have benefitted from a weak euro for years.
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Originally posted by chris123
German manufactured exports have benefitted from a weak euro for years. It's going to be interesting.
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
So says the man who only ever posts rubbish My posts are brilliant. And not every 10 seconds.
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Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE
[Tweet Link]Did you actually watch Geoffrey Cox, or just read the twitter post? I thought he was an embarrassment to himself. He is clearly an educated, decent man who understands and upholds the rule of law. However, he was working to a prepared position that I am sure we will hear time and again in the coming weeks. "This Parliament is dead. It opposes the will of the people". I am pretty sure, from his body language, that he doesn't believe it, and that he doesn't think it to be a wise strategy. His "attacks" were all theoretical soundbites designed for 10 second news clips and Daily Mail headlines. He lost all credibility in my eyes. This idea that this the government is trying, against all the "establishment" forces assembled against them, which now includes the Supreme Court, to do the will of the people is disingenuous, irresponsible and dangerous. It needs to be called out for the sham it is. Parliament is just trying to do it's job, nothing more or less, and it was the government action which was trying to stop them. Action that has now been determined by a unanimous verdict of the highest court to be unlawful. There's the shame. Where is the apology? Doubling down is Trumpian tactics. Do we really want to accept that? I am thoroughly ashamed that a government formed in the name of a great party that I once respected, has sunk to such a low point. I still hope that those behind the scenes who manage the Tory party and it's finances will pull the rug from under these tactics before any more harm is done.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Parliament is not a Court and nor is the Privy Council. Parliament makes the law. The Courts apply the law. The European Court does not, so far as I am aware, get involved in the national law of any EU member so would not be available in this matter. I think the buck has stopped unless and until Parliament decides to kick it again. It is absolutely a court and no recent laws changed that. The Supreme Court of Appeal is basically the Privvy Council with a different name.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Did you actually watch Geoffrey Cox, or just read the twitter post? I thought he was an embarrassment to himself. He is clearly an educated, decent man who understands and upholds the rule of law. However, he was working to a prepared position that I am sure we will hear time and again in the coming weeks. "This Parliament is dead. It opposes the will of the people". I am pretty sure, from his body language, that he doesn't believe it, and that he doesn't think it to be a wise strategy. His "attacks" were all theoretical soundbites designed for 10 second news clips and Daily Mail headlines. He lost all credibility in my eyes. This idea that this the government is trying, against all the "establishment" forces assembled against them, which now includes the Supreme Court, to do the will of the people is disingenuous, irresponsible and dangerous. It needs to be called out for the sham it is. Parliament is just trying to do it's job, nothing more or less, and it was the government action which was trying to stop them. Action that has now been determined by a unanimous verdict of the highest court to be unlawful. There's the shame. Where is the apology? Doubling down is Trumpian tactics. Do we really want to accept that? I am thoroughly ashamed that a government formed in the name of a great party that I once respected, has sunk to such a low point. I still hope that those behind the scenes who manage the Tory party and it's finances will pull the rug from under these tactics before any more harm is done. Actually the supreme court perceived that prorogation was to prevent discussion about brexit.
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
It is absolutely a court and no recent laws changed that. The Supreme Court of Appeal is basically the Privvy Council with a different name. I am no constitutional lawyer but I don't think any of that is correct. The Privy Council advises the Queen. It has no other role. The Judicial Committee of the Privy Council is a separate body which is the court of final appeal for certain overseas territories. It's members are generally the same as the Supreme Court. Parliament itself stopped being a Court when the Supreme Court took over as the highest court. The European Court does not involve itself in matters of domestic law only.
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Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE
[Tweet Link]Fantastic, he speaks for so many people.
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Originally posted by cryrst
Actually the supreme court perceived that prorogation was to prevent discussion about brexit. No it didn't. It went out of it's way to distance itself from any specific political issue. It's finding was solely on the question of whether the length of the prorogation was appropriate to the time needed to present Queen's speech and the impact of such a period on the ability of Parliament to do it's job of oversight and enquiry. That others seek to muddy the water and present an alternative motivation should be viewed as the political shenanigans that are becoming depressingly familiar from this government.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Did you actually watch Geoffrey Cox, or just read the twitter post? Really??? As someone who insists on evidence from others you can impute opinion and intention from body language?
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No it didn't. It went out of it's way to distance itself from any specific political issue. It's finding was solely on the question of whether the length of the prorogation was appropriate to the time needed to present Queen's speech and the impact of such a period on the ability of Parliament to do it's job of oversight and enquiry. That others seek to muddy the water and present an alternative motivation should be viewed as the political shenanigans that are becoming depressingly familiar from this government. So what was Johnson 'guilty ' of then.
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
So says the man who only ever posts rubbish So says the man who rushes to get a laughable hard-on for throwing his (perceived) weight around by criticising others for petty squabbling.
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Originally posted by Eustace H. Plimsoll
So says the man who rushes to get a laughable hard-on for throwing his (perceived) weight around by criticising others for petty squabbling. You're perceiving someone else's hard on? Sounds like a mutant superpower to me. Perhaps you should get a role in the next X-Men movie. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Sep 2019 6.55pm)
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