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W12 27 Sep 19 4.59pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Quite.

All seemingly covertly filmed as he did it....which again, says a lot about the individuals concerned.....No doubt hoping for an adverse reaction from Cummings to broadcast on the remainer media.

One of the areas which Johnson has particularly strong feelings about is free speech and after he wins the next election I expect him to change the law and reverse the damage to free speech that this collective 'hurty words, hurty feelings' mob have done to it.....His own party being equally culpable.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Sep 2019 4.51pm)

I like the cut of his jib

 

Stirlingsays Flag 27 Sep 19 5.00pm

Originally posted by W12

I like the cut of his jib

Smarter and cooler than the average bear.

 


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W12 27 Sep 19 5.18pm

Great Sargon video on this just out.

It's about the Conservatives now finding some muscle and going on the attack in parliament.

[Link]

 

W12 27 Sep 19 5.32pm

And this is just plain disgusting:

[Link]

Traitors, 5th columunists, collaborators, back stabbers, scum

Is that langauge strong enough for you?

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 27 Sep 19 5.36pm

Originally posted by susmik

Are you some type of stupid. There was nothing in my post that was insulting or bad but perhaps it is just your way of still pursuing your rather limited arrogant way on this site. I can see from your "More United" site how you have become the way you have. They are aiming for the stars and will not get there.

On their site they say " A platform for cross-party co-operation can reform Britain" that in itself is a load of tosh as for three years the commons has continually been disagreeing right across the house and refused to agree on anything just to stop Brexit.

You live in a dream world Wisbech and I can fully understand why you are the way you are and there is no hope for you. There really is not....

If you don't think that calling someone "arrogant" isn't to insult them, which you do again as you deny insulting me, then I think you need a new dictionary.

Describing attempts to promote cross party co-operation" as "a load to tosh" says all that needs to be said about you. Everyone, whatever their personal political persuasion, really ought to be comfortable with such a concept. Is finding common ground and working towards the common good such a hard thing to accept? It might not work, but it's taking the first step in the right direction. Every journey has to start with a first step.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (27 Sep 2019 5.36pm)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 27 Sep 19 5.43pm

Originally posted by W12

And this is just plain disgusting:

[Link]

Traitors, 5th columunists, collaborators, back stabbers, scum

Is that langauge strong enough for you?

Seems entirely appropriate to me.

Calling a spade a spade.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 27 Sep 19 5.48pm

Originally posted by W12

And this is just plain disgusting:

[Link]

Traitors, 5th columunists, collaborators, back stabbers, scum

Is that langauge strong enough for you?

I read what the Express reports what the LibDems are reported as having written.

It all seems perfectly accurate and fair to me, and a straightforward summary of the situation in the UK. Johnson does lead a minority government. The prorogation was found unlawful. There are a significant number of people who want another opportunity to express their opinion. They are not trying to negotiate. They are just telling the truth.

Your abusive description is predictable but totally undeserved.

You really do need to start to appreciate that not everyone thinks as the group of hard line Brexiteers do. Some think as the LibDems do, and many others just don't want a no deal exit. Right now, in Parliament, the second two groups together hold the majority view.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 27 Sep 19 6.03pm

Those with delusions will soon have them exposed in a general election.

It won't stop the disingenuous tosh but it certainly serve as the riposte that certain individuals require.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 27 Sep 19 6.03pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If you don't think that calling someone "arrogant" isn't to insult them, which you do again as you deny insulting me, then I think you need a new dictionary.

Describing attempts to promote cross party co-operation" as "a load to tosh" says all that needs to be said about you. Everyone, whatever their personal political persuasion, really ought to be comfortable with such a concept. Is finding common ground and working towards the common good such a hard thing to accept? It might not work, but it's taking the first step in the right direction. Every journey has to start with a first step.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (27 Sep 2019 5.36pm)

Johnson's inheritance was a minority which could operate by bribery of the NI MPs.

Now we have a genuine minority of -43.

That is before yesterday and its effect on lady MPs, expect a further exodus there.

After yesterday, the public, especially women voters, could have turned against the government.

I'm hoping that parliament can really put the boot into Johnson next week.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 27 Sep 19 6.03pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Are the death threats as a result of Boris Johnson saying naughty words like surrender or are they because despite his constituency voting overwhelmingly to leave the EU he is one of those MPs that do his own thing rather than vote as per his constituents wishes.

It isn't either.

Its the cumulative effect of the attitude being displayed by the current version of the Tory party and their refusal to acknowledge the supremacy of Parliament over the executive. Yesterday's debacle was only the tip of the iceberg.

The fact that an individual MP can take a different line to that of the majority of the voters in his constituency in a referendum ought to be vigorously defended by everyone in Parliament, including the government, as the fundamental cornerstone of our democracy. Those electors put that man into Parliament to represent them and not just be a puppet mouthpiece for them. Much more needs to be done to explain and defend that principle.

That Johnson's government encourage the "we will do what the referendum result told us to do" chorus is one of the reasons that people are getting threatened. So that and careless words are the reason. The blame lies solely at the government's door.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 27 Sep 19 6.06pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Johnson's inheritance was a minority which could operate by bribery of the NI MPs.

Now we have a genuine minority of -43.

That is before yesterday and its effect on lady MPs, expect a further exodus there.

After yesterday, the public, especially women voters, could have turned against the government.

I'm hoping that parliament can really put the boot into Johnson next week.

I hadn't contemplated the effect on women voters but it's a good and strong point. The idea that their families are also being threatened will weigh heavily in some minds. It isn't just the women who are affected of course, but they seemed genuinely frightened.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 27 Sep 19 6.11pm

As Sargon says, eighty percent of the MPs in parliament ran on manifestos that said they would honour the result of the referendum.

Yet nearly the entire opposition voted against every Brexit option put on the table by May.

It's a zombie parliament, which no longer holds legitimacy that is hiding from the voters.

We need a new election and a true parliamentary picture of what the country sees as its future.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Sep 2019 6.15pm)

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 27 Sep 19 6.16pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It isn't either.

Its the cumulative effect of the attitude being displayed by the current version of the Tory party and their refusal to acknowledge the supremacy of Parliament over the executive. Yesterday's debacle was only the tip of the iceberg.

The fact that an individual MP can take a different line to that of the majority of the voters in his constituency in a referendum ought to be vigorously defended by everyone in Parliament, including the government, as the fundamental cornerstone of our democracy. Those electors put that man into Parliament to represent them and not just be a puppet mouthpiece for them. Much more needs to be done to explain and defend that principle.

That Johnson's government encourage the "we will do what the referendum result told us to do" chorus is one of the reasons that people are getting threatened. So that and careless words are the reason. The blame lies solely at the government's door.

And while we’re vigourously defending this who defines what constitutes treason?

 

Stirlingsays Flag 27 Sep 19 6.17pm

Listen to these feminised old men talk about the nation's women as though they are socialist activists.....dream on comrades.

Once things start Johnson will charm them like he does most normies and the liars in parliament will get the political arse kicking they so rightly deserve.

Edited by Stirlingsays (27 Sep 2019 6.18pm)

 


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martin2412 Flag Living The Dream 27 Sep 19 7.10pm

Originally posted by Matov


It is this that I genuinely struggle to get my head around about people campaigning for a second referendum. It achieves nothing because a precedent for ignoring the result is cemented by holding a second one with Remain on the ballot box. Referendums cease to have any validity and as such, zero credibility. Lets assume Remain win and millions of us refuse to accept that. What are our opponents going to accuse us of? Being undemocratic? Not understanding how it works? LOL. It will be farcical. Part of me actually wants it to happen just to see the pathetic w***ers who wanted it trying to defend it all.

Makes no sense what so ever. Remain lost. That simple. And yet here we are, over three years later and still having this argument. Utterly fraudulent on every conceivable level.

Varients of Leave, that I get. And even a Parliament that decides to revoke A50 because it claims it knows better than the rest of us. Once again, perfectly within its legitimate, if not moral, remit.

But to want us to have to relieve the ghastly ordeal all over again with the losing option of 'Remain' on the ballot paper and then, with straight faces, tell us it will help 'heal' the nation? Simply beyond any logical or rational comprehension.

All the t***s campaigning for a second referendum want it for is to maintain their own self-image as the good guys in all of this. The pretty bright young things. They love the planet, a large % of them are vegans, think Gay people are smashing and just LOVE a tranny along with Muslims (but only the cuddly ones. Not those nasty ones up in Birmingham and protesting outside of schools. Those we don't talk about because if we keep quiet they will just slink away).

But above all else...DEMOCRATS. Passionate believers in the right of people to vote. Encouraging it in fact. Keen for more people to do so.

Until 17.4 million of them do and you don't like the outcome.

For any campaigner for a second referendum reading this then I urge you to find a mirror in your house (I suspect that for most of you this will not be a problem) and take a good hard look at what an utter f***ing w***er looks like. One who is, when all said and done, desperate to over-turn 17.4 million votes. To consign them to the dustbin of political history.

You aint a democrat. You are a Nazi. A Communist. A person who believes that you vote should count for more than mine.

Be honest about that. Celebrate it. Good luck to you. But don't ever kid yourself, anymore, that you are a democrat. Because you ain't.

Oh. And Brexit does not go away until we leave the EU. Might take a few more weeks. Perhaps months. Even years. But we are leaving, come hell or high water. Only question is how much blood do you want on your hands before then?


Edited by Matov (27 Sep 2019 11.23am)

Post of the year.

 

becky Flag over the moon 27 Sep 19 7.13pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I hadn't contemplated the effect on women voters but it's a good and strong point. The idea that their families are also being threatened will weigh heavily in some minds. It isn't just the women who are affected of course, but they seemed genuinely frightened.

What??????

Why on earth would women voters change their stance just because of a couple of over hysterical, squawking northern fishwives?

This is the 21st Century you know!

 


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susmik Flag PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 27 Sep 19 7.15pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If you don't think that calling someone "arrogant" isn't to insult them, which you do again as you deny insulting me, then I think you need a new dictionary.

Describing attempts to promote cross party co-operation" as "a load to tosh" says all that needs to be said about you. Everyone, whatever their personal political persuasion, really ought to be comfortable with such a concept. Is finding common ground and working towards the common good such a hard thing to accept? It might not work, but it's taking the first step in the right direction. Every journey has to start with a first step.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (27 Sep 2019 5.36pm)

NO calling someone arrogant is not an insult. Dictionary meaning just for you: "having or revealing an exaggerated sense of one's own Importance or abilities"
AS for saying your "New club" is a load of tosh you have to just look at all the losers who have joined it and should see it is going NO-WHERE any time soon.
You really do come out with a load of rubbish at times, in fact most of the time its the same old repetitive copy and paste answers you post that we are all fed up with.
If your club was so good why did the commons get at each others thoughts and still are?

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 27 Sep 19 7.19pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Those with delusions will soon have them exposed in a general election.

It won't stop the disingenuous tosh but it certainly serve as the riposte that certain individuals require.

Not necessarily as the crafty deserters to the Lib Dems seem to be moving from their existing seats to ones that they have a better chance of winning.

I imagine that Luciana Berger will get the Jewish vote in Golders Green irrespective of which party she belonged to

 

Stirlingsays Flag 27 Sep 19 7.22pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Not necessarily as the crafty deserters to the Lib Dems seem to be moving from their existing seats to ones that they have a better chance of winning.

I imagine that Luciana Berger will get the Jewish vote in Golders Green irrespective of which party she belonged to

Well, whatever the result it will be a far more honest reflection of the nation's judgement......because as stated most of those there stood on manifestos that said they would respect the referendum result.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 27 Sep 19 7.23pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Not necessarily as the crafty deserters to the Lib Dems seem to be moving from their existing seats to ones that they have a better chance of winning.

I imagine that Luciana Berger will get the Jewish vote in Golders Green irrespective of which party she belonged to

There are still significant numbers of Jews left? I bet it's far less than it was.

 


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