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 steeleye20  Croydon 16 Jan 19 3.58pm |
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One formerly extremely loyal Tory MP said this morning: "Just at the moment when we need the maximum flexibility, we have the leader worst suited to it." How can you have cross-party talks without the leader of the opposition? If you want to support her you must be bonkers, she won't get any change of of Tusk. According to Gordon Brown another vote likely in 2 years in any event, as former PM should know about these things.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jan 19 4.15pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
The MPs had a better idea than the rest of us did in 2016 and like the rest of us have an even better idea now. The events are obvious. We now know much more about what the consequences of a Brexit really are likely to be. We can see how the politics distorted the truth. We know that the Russians interfered via social media. We have Trump in the WH. I don't want a "2nd referendum", even though that itself is a distortion because it isn't just a rerun of the first. It would be a new referendum on the newly known details. I am opposed in principle to referendums in the UK. I want Parliament to decide.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jan 19 4.17pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
So we will be leaving in some form or other. Nothing is ever cast in stone. Acts can be repealed and will be if that is the will of Parliament.
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| braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 16 Jan 19 4.19pm |
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if there is another vote and remain win, surely that makes it 1-1, with a best of 3 decider in 2022?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jan 19 4.20pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Me too, but our bunch of MPs invoked Article 50 against advice and without any idea of the future. You probably in your career have to sign off something as deliverable and be very careful about what you do. That doesn't apply to parliament. Less than 2 months to go and anything could happen. If the political will exists then the way can be found. Let's hope that someone with real leadership qualities emerges from this bunch. I see a few hopefuls but there are a huge number of deadweights all pulling in opposite directions, so it's going to be tough.
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| Stirlingsays 16 Jan 19 4.23pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Nothing is ever cast in stone. Acts can be repealed and will be if that is the will of Parliament. Sure they can.....But as you are putting your trust in parliamentarians to decide this stuff I just thought I'd remind you that this lot have already voted on it. Just today only 71 of Labour parliamentarians made it known that they would explicitly support a second vote.
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| .TUX. 16 Jan 19 4.24pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The MPs had a better idea than the rest of us did in 2016 and like the rest of us have an even better idea now. The events are obvious. We now know much more about what the consequences of a Brexit really are likely to be. We can see how the politics distorted the truth. We know that the Russians interfered via social media. We have Trump in the WH. I don't want a "2nd referendum", even though that itself is a distortion because it isn't just a rerun of the first. It would be a new referendum on the newly known details. I am opposed in principle to referendums in the UK. I want Parliament to decide. 1. Incorrect on both parts.
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)| Stirlingsays 16 Jan 19 4.27pm |
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Originally posted by braunstoneagle
if there is another vote and remain win, surely that makes it 1-1, with a best of 3 decider in 2022?
Can't see it personally.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jan 19 4.33pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
In reality, agreeing on a referendum automatically placed the power of decision with the people. All that has happened since is that those who did not like the result have weaseled and plotted to overturn it. Nothing wrong with technical arguments if they find nuggets of truth. That interpretation is not universal! I, and others, have always disagreed with the idea that the referendum should be regarded as binding because it just isn't so in the UK. I argued that well before it was held and the result known. Parliament made the mistake of committing to respect it and allowing people to believe it was binding. It is now down to Parliament to hold their hands up, apologise for the error (repeated at the last election) and correct the mistake. History won't forgive them if they don't. Parliament could always apply to join again, if that was their will, but why wait when it's their will now to stay a member? Any future application would almost certainly have to be on worse terms than we now enjoy and we could very well use an offer to stay in to obtain even more concessions right now. We will never be stronger than now.
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Pussay Patrol  16 Jan 19 4.34pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
My thoughts exactly. Wasn't the referendum a democratic vote? I voted to leave, as did a majority, many are trying to reverse that decision....that is not democracy As long as democratically elected politicians do it, through Democratic means. Labour will get in then the referendum will be void because a different party offered something they couldn't deliver Sorry
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 16 Jan 19 5.29pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
As long as democratically elected politicians do it, through Democratic means. Labour will get in then the referendum will be void because a different party offered something they couldn't deliver Sorry Do you have this weekend's lottery numbers too?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 16 Jan 19 5.36pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Nothing wrong with technical arguments if they find nuggets of truth. That interpretation is not universal! I, and others, have always disagreed with the idea that the referendum should be regarded as binding because it just isn't so in the UK. I argued that well before it was held and the result known. Parliament made the mistake of committing to respect it and allowing people to believe it was binding. It is now down to Parliament to hold their hands up, apologise for the error (repeated at the last election) and correct the mistake. History won't forgive them if they don't. Parliament could always apply to join again, if that was their will, but why wait when it's their will now to stay a member? Any future application would almost certainly have to be on worse terms than we now enjoy and we could very well use an offer to stay in to obtain even more concessions right now. We will never be stronger than now. And I suppose you would be saying all this if Remain had won. Who do you think you are kidding? The people aren't interested in sour grapes technical tosh. They were told that the vote would be binding and that is what matters. That is how you negotiate. Man up. I'll take no deal all day over the US of E.
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