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Hoof Hearted 23 Jun 16 10.48am

Originally posted by Kermit8

If anyone apart from Hoof, danny, MonkeyDave and elgrande needs help pulling their pants up in just under 24 hrs, after what appears is going to be a major spanking, happy to oblige

As I said above.... a narrow victory for Remain is my prediction and one achieved through good fortune (albeit not so good for poor Jo).

You've acted very oddly through this debate and not in a way I've found amusing tbh.

 

Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 23 Jun 16 10.54am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

I never counted on your vote.

Lefties always let you down inevitably.

Is Gusset still insisting he's neutral?

Still at least Kermit has acknowledged Farage's attribute of being a good orator.... that's enough for me.

Predicting a narrow Remain win, mainly due to effect of Jo Cox's murder swaying the undecided to vote against "hate".... which to my mind is unfair but opinions are differently analysed by many people.

Hoping the toxic fallout from the nasty campaign they run means Cameron/Osborne are ousted from power asap.

It's posts like this, from either side that I struggle with. Toxic and fear mongering are accusations that can rightly be pointed at both campaigns. I can't see how either side can even begin to take the moral high ground.

 


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Part Time James Flag 23 Jun 16 10.56am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

As I said above.... a narrow victory for Remain is my prediction and one achieved through good fortune (albeit not so good for poor Jo).

You've acted very oddly through this debate and not in a way I've found amusing tbh.

I agree, Jo's death has been a saviour for the remain campaign. I think they have pretty much finished chewing all the meat from her carcass now in one of the most disgusting opportunist things I have ever seen in politics.

She'd probably turn in her grave that she supported Remain given how despicably they've capitalised on her death. Never mind though, Farage, Gove and Johnson are the ones people will make the default 'baddies' from this in the history book.

Edited by Part Time James (23 Jun 2016 10.56am)

 




JohnyBoy Flag 23 Jun 16 11.00am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

As I said above.... a narrow victory for Remain is my prediction and one achieved through good fortune (albeit not so good for poor Jo).

You've acted very oddly through this debate and not in a way I've found amusing tbh.

61/39 win for remain for me

 

Hoof Hearted 23 Jun 16 11.01am

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

It's posts like this, from either side that I struggle with. Toxic and fear mongering are accusations that can rightly be pointed at both campaigns. I can't see how either side can even begin to take the moral high ground.

Cameron definitely started it.

Wasting £9 million pound of taxpayers money on a one sided leaflet delivered to every household by Royal Mail. Then got in Obama etc and told shameful lies about WWIII and the effects of Brexit.

The leave camp response has been tame/balanced in comparison.

The BBC have been very Pro Remain too. Me and the Mrs have been monitoring news items and they have given Remain about 80% support by way of positive detail, compared to 20% for Leave in the past week.

Anyone that doesn't think like me hasn't been paying attention or are deluding themselves.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 23 Jun 16 11.01am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Our flag is beautiful when projected.

Thank you Europe

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While our flag is still relevant. We'll become more and more insignificant.

Spain having 99%-100% national debt compared to GDP might be a reason.

Polish people coming to make some capital and take it back to accelerate their's and their country's prosperity might also be a reason, not that I blame them. The opportunity is there.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 23 Jun 16 11.02am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Not sure if the bookies are doing their own exit polls but remain is 2/9 now.

I don't think they will win by that much to justify those odds.

52% stay and 48% leave prediction.

Quite likely.

 


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Part Time James Flag 23 Jun 16 11.05am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Cameron definitely started it.

Wasting £9 million pound of taxpayers money on a one sided leaflet delivered to every household by Royal Mail. Then got in Obama etc and told shameful lies about WWIII and the effects of Brexit.

The leave camp response has been tame/balanced in comparison.

The BBC have been very Pro Remain too. Me and the Mrs have been monitoring news items and they have given Remain about 80% support by way of positive detail, compared to 20% for Leave in the past week.

Anyone that doesn't think like me hasn't been paying attention or are deluding themselves.

Interestingly, a lot of the underhanded Remain stuff has boosted Leave. I believe that Leave went above Remain shortly after Obama came over here telling us how awful independence and controlled borders is.

 




Hoof Hearted 23 Jun 16 11.06am

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

61/39 win for remain for me

We'll see. I doubt that margin of victory and I haven't thrown in the towel either.

Interesting to see you back posting again, now the death of an MP has turned things around a bit Johnny?

When Leave's campaign started taking off you were noticeable by your absence.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 23 Jun 16 11.15am

Originally posted by Part Time James

Interestingly, a lot of the underhanded Remain stuff has boosted Leave. I believe that Leave went above Remain shortly after Obama came over here telling us how awful independence and controlled borders is.

Osborne saying how house prices might fall by 18% giving youngsters a different option for personal benefit. (They were due to fall anyway, similar to the £4,300 being not as well off rather than worse off, and that's after inputting all negative variables into the equation without any positives)

F*ck me, when was Cameron lying? When he said we'd be able to cope on our own well before the referendum or during the referendum when he claimed we're doomed if we leave? He should be pushed.

 


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JohnyBoy Flag 23 Jun 16 11.16am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

We'll see. I doubt that margin of victory and I haven't thrown in the towel either.

Interesting to see you back posting again, now the death of an MP has turned things around a bit Johnny?

When Leave's campaign started taking off you were noticeable by your absence.

I think you will find Hoof that i posted after Jo Cox's murder that the referendum should be postponed to a later date because i didnt want people influenced or even talking about it with such an important referendum at stake.
And the real reason why i moved away from posting so much was because the really good, lively & informed debate which i really valued had been overtaken by personal insults, irrational comments and conspiracy theories i.e put simply it had gone to the sh!tter, which is something i dont want to be part of.

 

Hoof Hearted 23 Jun 16 11.19am

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

I think you will find Hoof that i posted after Jo Cox's murder that the referendum should be postponed to a later date because i didnt want people influenced or even talking about it with such an important referendum at stake.
And the real reason why i moved away from posting so much was because the really good, lively & informed debate which i really valued had been overtaken by personal insults, irrational comments and conspiracy theories i.e put simply it had gone to the sh!tter, which is something i dont want to be part of.

Yes Kermit's campaign did become tiresome.... LOL

Regards Monsieur Johnny.

X

 

Part Time James Flag 23 Jun 16 11.26am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Osborne saying how house prices might fall by 18% giving youngsters a different option for personal benefit. (They were due to fall anyway, similar to the £4,300 being not as well off rather than worse off, and that's after inputting all negative variables into the equation without any positives)

F*ck me, when was Cameron lying? When he said we'd be able to cope on our own well before the referendum or during the referendum when he claimed we're doomed if we leave? He should be pushed.

I think that taking the results of this to one side two of the most important party leaders, Cameron and Corbyn, will be in a very difficult position if they try to convince anybody that they didn't represent what they thought was best for their own career rather than the good of the nation. Just my opinion though, but two people I already had doubts over really shamed themselves during this. And yes, before anyone says it, I am sure similar criticisms can be made about politicians on both sides. Perhaps not about politicians who potentially hold as much power as Cameron and Corbyn though...

Edited by Part Time James (23 Jun 2016 11.28am)

 




Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 23 Jun 16 11.29am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Heavy Rain might affect turnout.

Us "leavers" have mostly voted by post and are hardy determined souls.

Can't see students being arsed to leave the Uni Student Union Bar to vote if it's chucking it down.

I was thinking the opposite, the young'ens won't give a fark about the rain, don't they just stand around in the wet all day anyway, wearing hoodies? It's the old dears in the 'leave' camp that will be put off hobbling down to the Church hall in case they slip on a wet leaf.

 

We are goin up! Flag Coulsdon 23 Jun 16 11.29am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Ok something is going on. 1/6 to Remain now for a few bookies and 4/1 to leave.



You could get odds of 1/25 on a hung parliament minutes before the exit poll in the last election. The bookies go on public opinion, not on anything concrete.

 


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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 23 Jun 16 11.32am

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

I was thinking the opposite, the young'ens won't give a fark about the rain, don't they just stand around in the wet all day anyway, wearing hoodies? It's the old dears in the 'leave' camp that will be put off hobbling down to the Church hall in case they slip on a wet leaf.

You will see campaigners from both sides offering lifts to people all in the name of community service of course

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 23 Jun 16 11.32am

I'd just like to remind all Christians voting today that a European or World Government is interpreted by some to signify the coming of the Anti Christ.

You would not want to be responsible for that now would you.

Happy voting.

 

We are goin up! Flag Coulsdon 23 Jun 16 11.33am

If we vote to stay and there's no renegotiation of any sort I'm voting UKIP at the next election.

And I won't be the only one.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 23 Jun 16 11.34am

Originally posted by Part Time James

I think that taking the results of this to one side two of the most important party leaders, Cameron and Corbyn, will be in a very difficult position if they try to convince anybody that they didn't represent what they thought was best for their own career rather than the good of the nation. Just my opinion though, but two people I already had doubts over really shamed themselves during this. And yes, before anyone says it, I am sure similar criticisms can be made about politicians on both sides. Perhaps not about politicians who potentially hold as much power as Cameron and Corbyn though...

Yes. Dave didn't want to take on the exit phase of leaving the EU, all the renegotiating and short-term economic downturn.

At least we haven't heard 'legacy' during his tenure, although there isn't much to write home about. What has he actually done? Reduced govt spending, halved the deficit to now and just kept the country ticking over. The only thing he has done was not stretch the UK finances any further in case there was another big economic crisis.

 


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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 23 Jun 16 11.35am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Cameron definitely started it.

Wasting £9 million pound of taxpayers money on a one sided leaflet delivered to every household by Royal Mail. Then got in Obama etc and told shameful lies about WWIII and the effects of Brexit.

The leave camp response has been tame/balanced in comparison.

The BBC have been very Pro Remain too. Me and the Mrs have been monitoring news items and they have given Remain about 80% support by way of positive detail, compared to 20% for Leave in the past week.

Anyone that doesn't think like me hasn't been paying attention or are deluding themselves.

Obviously


There's an interesting amalgamation of all the polls and it's closer than a nun's knees
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