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cryrst Flag The garden of England 04 Oct 19 2.23pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What I want doesn't matter. Nor does what you want.

It's what we want that does. Who judges that?

The government or Parliament?

You know my answer!

You can please some of the people
Some of the time.
You know the rest.....

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 04 Oct 19 2.29pm

There is still an option for the UK to stay in and negotiate its concerns, it may be a better time than when Cameron tried it.

Article 50 would have to be cancelled, the EU cannot stop this.

That would keep the UK at the top table, undeservedly so and importantly with its veto intact.

Then off to the Brussels boozer with all our old mates.

And endless jokes about Spurs....

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Oct 19 2.36pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

An unexpectedly strident post. Is the end of the Willo tether being reached?

I do feel that the general public have come to the end of their tether with this failure to deliver Brexit.

 

DanH Flag SW2 04 Oct 19 2.45pm

Originally posted by Willo

I do feel that the general public have come to the end of their tether with this failure to deliver Brexit.

It would have happened already if Johnson and his ERG mob hadn't kept voting against the deal his own party had got.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 04 Oct 19 2.47pm

Originally posted by Willo

I do feel that the general public have come to the end of their tether with this failure to deliver Brexit.

It would have been helpful if leave had considered what was deliverable or not 3 years ago.

 

samprior Flag Hamburg 04 Oct 19 2.57pm

Originally posted by Willo


Having perused the 'Link' I have concluded that one can be stunned into slack-jawed somnolence perusing such typical remainer hogwash.Festering pots of cider have more fizz than what I have read.Bitter remainer humbug.

17.4 million people voted to LEAVE - Get over it !

Edited by Willo (04 Oct 2019 2.03pm)

Yes but the problem is the 16.1 million 'losers' who voted Remain. Did you think they would roll over so easily. The discussions, negotiations, debate, bickering in Parliament has been pretty representative of the vote. I don't believe anyone truely knew what we were voting for otherwise we wouldn't be in such a mess.

We will most likely have another delay. Then leave. With a deal. That no one really wants. Everyone will still be complaining. A few people will get richer and a few people will get poorer.

 

Lyons550 Flag Shirley 04 Oct 19 3.06pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Those that refuse to be whipped risk deselection, and those that leave their party because it's views have move away from them, all risk losing their jobs. It's easy to just be a sheep and follow the leader.

Others who speak out are facing physical threats.

They do this for us and not for themselves.

Thats the role of an MP...if they choose to ignore their electorate (save me the boring speech) then they get what they deserve!

 


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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 04 Oct 19 3.27pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Entirely false.

He isn't doing what "we" wanted. He is attempting to do what some of you want.

As you keep telling everyone ad nausea he's doesn't have to do what 'we' want...they do what they think is best for the country (and themselves). You cant have it BOTH ways!


Edited by Lyons550 (04 Oct 2019 3.28pm)

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 04 Oct 19 3.32pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

It would have been helpful if leave had considered what was deliverable or not 3 years ago.

Also helpful if the future rule changes from the eu had been put on the table.
Might have been more inspiring than not knowing the changes that ARE or would have happened.
It's the not knowing that kills you.

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 04 Oct 19 4.09pm

Originally posted by steeleye20


It would have been helpful if leave had considered what was deliverable or not 3 years ago.

As they say "where there's a will there's a way" and that is the problem as neither the EU nor the remainers in parliament have the will to let this country carry out the will of the majority and between them they have brought the UK to where it is today

 

DanH Flag SW2 04 Oct 19 4.32pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

As they say "where there's a will there's a way" and that is the problem as neither the EU nor the remainers in parliament have the will to let this country carry out the will of the majority and between them they have brought the UK to where it is today

What about the leavers in parliament that voted against the deal?

 

W12 04 Oct 19 4.51pm

Originally posted by DanH

What about the leavers in parliament that voted against the deal?

Because it clearly wasn’t Brexit

And so this thread, like Parliament, goes around in circles.

 

DanH Flag SW2 04 Oct 19 4.53pm

Originally posted by W12

Because it clearly wasn’t Brexit

And so this thread, like Parliament, goes around in circles.

This is why it will never be resolved. Brexit means a different thing to every single person.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Oct 19 5.02pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

The problem with this logic is that “we” consist of “I” and “you”.
How is public opinion ever judged?

No it isn't. It consists of you, I and everybody else.

The only place it is judged is in Parliament by their duly elected representatives.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Oct 19 5.08pm

Originally posted by Willo


Having perused the 'Link' I have concluded that one can be stunned into slack-jawed somnolence perusing such typical remainer hogwash.Festering pots of cider have more fizz than what I have read.Bitter remainer humbug.

17.4 million people voted to LEAVE - Get over it !

Edited by Willo (04 Oct 2019 2.03pm)

Not written from a "remainer" perspective at all.

It is an analysis of truth and untruth and the impact of propaganda on voting intentions.

That you respond as you do is simply the confirmation, if any more is needed, that this propaganda worked and is continuing to work.

Democracy is in danger and those who fail to recognise that are helping to destroy it.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Oct 19 5.14pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

No mention there of George Osborne's statement that if the leavers won the vote the economy would collapse straight away and he would have to have an emergency budget

I wondered who would make the "whatabout" response.

No it didn't but that's because it wasn't trying to analyse the "remain" campaign, which was weak and often playing catch up. Trying to counter the kind of wild claims made by the "leave" campaign produced some equally wild responses. None were what were needed. Whether they balanced each other is a matter of opinion but as this was no way to try to take such a serious decision the point that the referendum was a total failure is well made.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Oct 19 5.20pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

Thats the role of an MP...if they choose to ignore their electorate (save me the boring speech) then they get what they deserve!

They will argue that they are NOT ignoring their electorate by doing what they believe is right. That they need to explain why to them when they face them again is perfectly reasonable. I would rather have someone with a conscience representing me than a sheep who is just lobby fodder. We may just as well elect voting machines if that is all they do.

No-one should face threats of any kind because of their job.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Oct 19 5.23pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

As you keep telling everyone ad nausea he's doesn't have to do what 'we' want...they do what they think is best for the country (and themselves). You cant have it BOTH ways!


Edited by Lyons550 (04 Oct 2019 3.28pm)

Of course. He is as entitled as any other MP to decide what he believes is best.

But he cannot act alone, or in concert with a few others.

It's the collective will of Parliament as a whole which counts.

 


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YT Flag Oxford 04 Oct 19 5.29pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I wondered who would make the "whatabout" response.

No it didn't but that's because it wasn't trying to analyse the "remain" campaign, which was weak and often playing catch up. Trying to counter the kind of wild claims made by the "leave" campaign produced some equally wild responses. None were what were needed. Whether they balanced each other is a matter of opinion but as this was no way to try to take such a serious decision the point that the referendum was a total failure is well made.

Just out of interest, Wisbech, how much campaigning did YOU do in the referendum?

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 04 Oct 19 5.40pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

They will argue that they are NOT ignoring their electorate by doing what they believe is right. That they need to explain why to them when they face them again is perfectly reasonable. I would rather have someone with a conscience representing me than a sheep who is just lobby fodder. We may just as well elect voting machines if that is all they do.

No-one should face threats of any kind because of their job.

Tommy robinson!

 

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