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 YT  Oxford 04 Oct 19 8.41pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
None. I was out of the country for the months prior. What has that to do with anything? You come across as very passionate about the topic three and a half years later, so it's a shame you didn't have the chance to put that passion to good use at the time.
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| martin2412 Living The Dream 04 Oct 19 8.46pm |
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Originally posted by martin2412
Originally posted by steeleye20
It would have been helpful if leave had considered what was deliverable or not 3 years ago. _______________________________________________________ REMAIN CALLED THE REFERENDUM. Leave obviously stood against them without much time to consider what might happen in 3 years time. In fact, nobody could have known how obstructive Labour and the EU would be.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Oct 19 10.26pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Just that by your criteria were he to be elected then everyone should apparently stop criticising him and just accept that he was acting in good faith. That’s quite unlikely. That is nothing like my "criteria"! People criticise MPs all the time, including me. It has nothing to do with their responsibility to use their conscience to determine how they vote in Parliament.
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Teddy Eagle  04 Oct 19 10.30pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That is nothing like my "criteria"! People criticise MPs all the time, including me. It has nothing to do with their responsibility to use their conscience to determine how they vote in Parliament. Yes I know. But I said IF Robinson was elected and voted according to his conscience how would that be any different to what he does now?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Oct 19 10.40pm |
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Originally posted by YT
You come across as very passionate about the topic three and a half years later, so it's a shame you didn't have the chance to put that passion to good use at the time. I was following the campaigns and commenting in various forums but as I wasn't here I couldn't actively campaign. I am not so sure I would have done back then either as what happened during the leave campaign have only become clear with hindsight. I am though now determined to ensure that we don't repeat the same mistakes. We cannot go back but we can go forward.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Oct 19 10.58pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
No. That’s a cop out. If I punch someone in the face then explain I thought he’d look better with new teeth he’s got the right to be unhappy about it even though I might have been acting iwith genuine concern. If you punched someone in the face then you would have broken the law and any justification, however good or nonsensical, is irrelevant. MPs are just doing the job we pay them to do. You can be as unhappy as you like but as they hold the responsibility you just need to accept it.
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| Teddy Eagle 04 Oct 19 11.01pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If you punched someone in the face then you would have broken the law and any justification, however good or nonsensical, is irrelevant. MPs are just doing the job we pay them to do. You can be as unhappy as you like but as they hold the responsibility you just need to accept it. It was a metaphor.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Oct 19 11.09pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Yes I know. But I said IF Robinson was elected and voted according to his conscience how would that be any different to what he does now? Him making his case and voting according to his conscience in Parliament would be his obligation. That though is entirely different to what he has done in the past (he doesn't appear to actually doing very much right now). Making videos outside of Courts, making rabble rousing speeches at "rallies", publishing contentious online content and encouraging a social media following is far removed from the job of an MP.
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| Teddy Eagle 04 Oct 19 11.17pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Him making his case and voting according to his conscience in Parliament would be his obligation. That though is entirely different to what he has done in the past (he doesn't appear to actually doing very much right now). Making videos outside of Courts, making rabble rousing speeches at "rallies", publishing contentious online content and encouraging a social media following is far removed from the job of an MP. Videos excepted it sounds like exactly what a lot of MPs do.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Oct 19 11.30pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Videos excepted it sounds like exactly what a lot of MPs do. What any MP does outside of their responsibilities in Parliament is their own business. It's nothing to do with their job. If they broke the law then they too could end up in jail. I think you are trying to conflate chalk and cheese.
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| Teddy Eagle 04 Oct 19 11.50pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What any MP does outside of their responsibilities in Parliament is their own business. It's nothing to do with their job. If they broke the law then they too could end up in jail. I think you are trying to conflate chalk and cheese. I think you are taking things too seriously.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Oct 19 12.00am |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I think you are taking things too seriously. I am just answering the points. What I think I will keep to myself.
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| DanH SW2 05 Oct 19 10.02am |
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Keep going Wisbech. You’ve rattled the moderator anyway.
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| DanH SW2 05 Oct 19 10.03am |
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Originally posted by DanH
Keep going Wisbech. You’ve rattled the moderator anyway. And gobsh*te has flounced so you’re doing a Stirling job.
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| Midlands Eagle 05 Oct 19 10.42am |
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Originally posted by DanH
Keep going Wisbech. You’ve rattled the moderator anyway. If "rattled" means "bored senseless" in your vocabulary then you're quite correct. As an accountant I guess that you're pretty boring yourself so this constant stream of repetitive drivel will just be all in a normal day's work to you
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Oct 19 11.01am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
If "rattled" means "bored senseless" in your vocabulary then you're quite correct. As an accountant I guess that you're pretty boring yourself so this constant stream of repetitive drivel will just be all in a normal day's work to you 'Yours truly' was accused of such in those referees debates which evolved into those dastardly 'Willo threads'. In the final analysis, some will view WE's contributions as a litany of hyperbolic hogwash perhaps with an element of 'Agent provocateur' whilst others will view them as as enlightened and erudite punditry from a bastion of good sense. WE and I are on opposite sides of the house on this subject but I respect his opinion and as far as I am aware he has argued his case free from any personal vilification. Certainly this debate has been at times pulsating, at other times febrile but certainly not saccarine. Edited by Willo (05 Oct 2019 11.46am)
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| Midlands Eagle 05 Oct 19 11.29am |
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Originally posted by Willo
WE and I are on opposite sides of the house on this subject but I respect his opinion I respect his opinion too but I don't respect his need to shove it down our throats every fifteen minutes
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| chris123 hove actually 05 Oct 19 11.31am |
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Originally posted by Willo
'Yours truly' was accused of such in those referees debates which evolved into those dastardly 'Willo threads'. In the final analysis, some will view WE's contributions as a litany of hyperbolic hogwash perhaps with an element of 'Agent provacateur' whilst others will view them as as enlightened and erudite punditry from a bastion of good sense. WE and I are on opposite sides of the house on this subject but I respect his opinion and as far as I am aware he has argued his case free from any personal vilification. Certainly this debate has been at times pulsating, at other times febrile but certainly not saccarine. Edited by Willo (05 Oct 2019 11.04am) He doesn't debate though.
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 05 Oct 19 11.52am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I respect his opinion too but I don't respect his need to shove it down our throats every fifteen minutes The HOL just isn't as much fun as it used to be for precisely that reason. I really don't see the point in participating much these days.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 05 Oct 19 11.55am |
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The amount of posts yesterday is something else.
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