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cryrst Flag The garden of England 06 Oct 19 7.06am

Originally posted by .TUX.

It died in '08.
Since then all we've had is trillions pumped in and lower and lower interest rates. Historically low.
We now have zero interest rates to prop up a continually failing bloody system which now needs more injections (cash) to continue the farce. The ECB is a fraud along with the continued US 'Repo-market' bail-out (yet more QE?).
The 08 crash, though once again caused by the ever present greedy bankers, started from the bottom up.
The next, as the Repo-Market bail-outs show, will start from the top down.
Big difference!

PS Scrutinize at will...........i don't see anyone else here highlighting the problems that truly matter.

Edited by .TUX. (06 Oct 2019 12.08am)

TBH though tux how ever much you may be right.
They wouldn't tell us if a meteor was heading our way. So why would they tell us about this.

 

chris123 Flag hove actually 06 Oct 19 7.36am

Originally posted by .TUX.

It died in '08.
Since then all we've had is trillions pumped in and lower and lower interest rates. Historically low.
We now have zero interest rates to prop up a continually failing bloody system which now needs more injections (cash) to continue the farce. The ECB is a fraud along with the continued US 'Repo-market' bail-out (yet more QE?).
The 08 crash, though once again caused by the ever present greedy bankers, started from the bottom up.
The next, as the Repo-Market bail-outs show, will start from the top down.
Big difference!

PS Scrutinize at will...........i don't see anyone else here highlighting the problems that truly matter.

Edited by .TUX. (06 Oct 2019 12.08am)

We've had low inflation too - which is good surely?

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 06 Oct 19 8.11am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Sorry, is that a new rule? Didn’t think so.

Relentless posting is understandably overbearing especially when it’s mundane responses that you don’t agree with (sorry, but some are a little long winded) but if he keeps getting asked the same questions then he’ll keep sending back the same answers. Works both ways.

Who said anything about rules. I was making a point which was quote obviously a personal opinion and nothing to do with rules.

It wouldn't be so bad if his long winded and repetitive posts were responses to questions asked of him but most of them are not but that doesn't seem to stop him butting in and spouting his mantra

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 06 Oct 19 8.54am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Of course they are. Your point? That because both sides are his point was meaningless? The level of debate on here by some is dross of the lowest order.

Thanks for those kind words

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 06 Oct 19 8.59am


Sure Wissie will wish to comment:


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Midlands Eagle Flag 06 Oct 19 9.23am

Leaving aside what Lady hale said or did the sentence that caught my eye was "the Supreme Court media team insisted Baroness Hale was given no prior warning of the stage's backdrop.

So the supreme court has it's own media team

 

Spiderman Flag Horsham 06 Oct 19 9.26am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Leaving aside what Lady hale said or did the sentence that caught my eye was "the Supreme Court media team insisted Baroness Hale was given no prior warning of the stage's backdrop.

So the supreme court has it's own media team

How surprising (not) that Chakrabati is a close friend

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 06 Oct 19 10.24am

Originally posted by .TUX.

It died in '08.
Since then all we've had is trillions pumped in and lower and lower interest rates. Historically low.
We now have zero interest rates to prop up a continually failing bloody system which now needs more injections (cash) to continue the farce. The ECB is a fraud along with the continued US 'Repo-market' bail-out (yet more QE?).
The 08 crash, though once again caused by the ever present greedy bankers, started from the bottom up.
The next, as the Repo-Market bail-outs show, will start from the top down.
Big difference!

PS Scrutinize at will...........i don't see anyone else here highlighting the problems that truly matter.

Edited by .TUX. (06 Oct 2019 12.08am)

Actually, it was way before that, as you should know. Deregulation in the 80s eliminated steady, semi-stable growth once and for all. But let's not pretend the system was perfect before then eh? Best worst. Human nature is as human nature does, no matter the construct, system or ideal. It all corrupts eventually. That is a fact.

Also the 'greedy banker' narrative is a red herring. Politicians started this journey, and if you think people were not going to take advantage of it due to their own moral compass, then you simply don't understand how the world works, or you're incredibly naive. I can't really blame a bunch of people for gaming the system because they've been allowed to do so. Should they have done it? no. Can I see why they did? yes. Did they create the conditions that allowed them to exploit it so ruthlessly? No.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (06 Oct 2019 10.28am)

 


Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Oct 19 10.34am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Leaving aside what Lady hale said or did the sentence that caught my eye was "the Supreme Court media team insisted Baroness Hale was given no prior warning of the stage's backdrop.

So the supreme court has it's own media team

Seems a sensible move to ask an agency to keep an eye on things at this time of heightened attention on them. Judges should not have to be concerned about political attacks from right wing rags like the Daily Mail trying to stir up mistrust in our judicial system. It's not their area of expertise is it? That's the law. Judges have a right to a private life just as much as anyone else. Holding strong political views doesn't mean a plumber cannot fix a leak professionally. The law is the law. Judges judge things on that alone.

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 06 Oct 19 11.14am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle


Seems a sensible move to ask an agency to keep an eye on things at this time of heightened attention on them. Judges should not have to be concerned about political attacks from right wing rags like the Daily Mail trying to stir up mistrust in our judicial system.

So you're suggesting that their media team has only been assembled in the last couple of weeks then

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Oct 19 12.05pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

So you're suggesting that their media team has only been assembled in the last couple of weeks then

It wouldn't surprise me if they are currently using the services of a public relations agency to handle the scrutiny but I have no specific knowledge.

They do, apparently, have a "Press Office" to handle routine enquiries but I would guess it's quite small and not used to the kind of attention they are now subjected to. Handing out details of which case will be heard when and by whom isn't quite the same as being hounded by the Mail on what Lady Hale did last night.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 06 Oct 19 12.14pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Seems a sensible move to ask an agency to keep an eye on things at this time of heightened attention on them. Judges should not have to be concerned about political attacks from right wing rags like the Daily Mail trying to stir up mistrust in our judicial system. It's not their area of expertise is it? That's the law. Judges have a right to a private life just as much as anyone else. Holding strong political views doesn't mean a plumber cannot fix a leak professionally. The law is the law. Judges judge things on that alone.

Anyone else to add to the list of irreproachable authorities?

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 06 Oct 19 2.11pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Anyone else to add to the list of irreproachable authorities?

I visited the Supreme Court recently whilst I don't question their honesty the way judges are appointed is very old school tie, right thinking people appoint right thinking people.

There is no open process for any qualified person to apply for a job neither is their any public scrutiny of the candidates.

As someone said recently about people in positions of power:

Who appointed you?
Where do you get your power?
How can we get rid of you?
How do we stop you increasing your power?

I think the Supreme Court has taken the first step in increasing it's power by usurping Parliaments authority under the guise it is protecting Parliament.

That is just my non legal opinion and time will tell who is right.

 


One more point

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Oct 19 2.19pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Seems a sensible move to ask an agency to keep an eye on things at this time of heightened attention on them. Judges should not have to be concerned about political attacks from right wing rags like the Daily Mail trying to stir up mistrust in our judicial system. It's not their area of expertise is it? That's the law. Judges have a right to a private life just as much as anyone else. Holding strong political views doesn't mean a plumber cannot fix a leak professionally. The law is the law. Judges judge things on that alone.

Politics would not change what a plumber does. Clearly, the Supreme Court has had it in for Boris which has affected their decision. More pandering to the Guardian readers. They probably use Sadiq's media team.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 06 Oct 19 2.23pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It wouldn't surprise me if they are currently using the services of a public relations agency to handle the scrutiny but I have no specific knowledge.

They do, apparently, have a "Press Office" to handle routine enquiries but I would guess it's quite small and not used to the kind of attention they are now subjected to. Handing out details of which case will be heard when and by whom isn't quite the same as being hounded by the Mail on what Lady Hale did last night.

Perhaps the PR machine can explain why Chakrabati did not divulge her close friendship with Lady Hale. Unless that is acceptable in your eyes, wonder what your view would be if it had been Boris/Rees Mogg in Chakrabati's position.
Of course, you may feel the "rag" is making it all up, hardly consider this hounding compared to what some others have had to put up with recently

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 06 Oct 19 2.26pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Politics would not change what a plumber does. Clearly, the Supreme Court has had it in for Boris which has affected their decision. More pandering to the Guardian readers. They probably use Sadiq's media team.

Aren’t his team busy redefining what is meant by “knife crime”?

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Oct 19 2.35pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I visited the Supreme Court recently whilst I don't question their honesty the way judges are appointed is very old school tie, right thinking people appoint right thinking people.

There is no open process for any qualified person to apply for a job neither is their any public scrutiny of the candidates.

As someone said recently about people in positions of power:

Who appointed you?
Where do you get your power?
How can we get rid of you?
How do we stop you increasing your power?

I think the Supreme Court has taken the first step in increasing it's power by usurping Parliaments authority under the guise it is protecting Parliament.

That is just my non legal opinion and time will tell who is right.

That must have been a very interesting visit!

Looking at the way the Justices are appointed it seems a much better system here than the political way it is done in the USA. Judges deciding among themselves who has achieved the professional status necessary seems a pretty wise way to approach this. I personally would not want there to be any kind of public scrutiny which could then lead to political considerations coming into play. The law and only the law ought to be involved.

Parliament is where the law is made and the Courts merely apply and interpret it when required. I think this idea that the Supreme Court has "usurped Parliament's authority" to be entirely false. It has indeed reinforced it's authority by definitively ruling that it is superior to the executive.

It's own power has not changed in any way. If Parliament decides it doesn't like the effect of any judgement then it has the complete authority to legislate to change it and the Supreme Court will then apply the new law.

That's just my own non legal opinion.

 


For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

silvertop Flag Portishead 06 Oct 19 2.37pm

Originally posted by Badger11

I visited the Supreme Court recently whilst I don't question their honesty the way judges are appointed is very old school tie, right thinking people appoint right thinking people.

There is no open process for any qualified person to apply for a job neither is their any public scrutiny of the candidates.

As someone said recently about people in positions of power:

Who appointed you?
Where do you get your power?
How can we get rid of you?
How do we stop you increasing your power?

I think the Supreme Court has taken the first step in increasing it's power by usurping Parliaments authority under the guise it is protecting Parliament.

That is just my non legal opinion and time will tell who is right.

Would you be saying this if the decision had gone the other way?

Your comment about usurping parliament is wrong. Your observations on appointment accountability and dismissal are valid.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 06 Oct 19 3.14pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Would you be saying this if the decision had gone the other way?

Your comment about usurping parliament is wrong. Your observations on appointment accountability and dismissal are valid.

Johnson walked into this and the Supreme Court took him down, his case was simply non-existent.

More of the same please.


 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 06 Oct 19 3.25pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That must have been a very interesting visit!

Looking at the way the Justices are appointed it seems a much better system here than the political way it is done in the USA. Judges deciding among themselves who has achieved the professional status necessary seems a pretty wise way to approach this. I personally would not want there to be any kind of public scrutiny which could then lead to political considerations coming into play. The law and only the law ought to be involved.

Parliament is where the law is made and the Courts merely apply and interpret it when required. I think this idea that the Supreme Court has "usurped Parliament's authority" to be entirely false. It has indeed reinforced it's authority by definitively ruling that it is superior to the executive.

It's own power has not changed in any way. If Parliament decides it doesn't like the effect of any judgement then it has the complete authority to legislate to change it and the Supreme Court will then apply the new law.

That's just my own non legal opinion.

I would hope you feel this about private schools.
Picking who they want as they are experienced at it and who would benefit their future success.
Oh wait does it only work in the judicery not in other areas?

 

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