Can't stand the guy myself but if you're seriously trying to deflect from the procrastination of the opposition instead accusing Johnson of the same you're more deluded than most others on here think you are.

They're not procrastinating to get it right, they're doing so because they fear change. Nothing more nothing less, that's why after all the machinations around prorogation and getting back into parliament they spent the next TWO days arguing....

Parliament always makes the last decision. That's their job. They have triggered Article 50, thus meeting the commitments they gave but so far cannot agree the method by which they leave. A "no deal" wasn't on the table in 2016. The leave campaigns had said that finding a suitable exit arrangement would be a piece of cake. That it hasn't proved correct is not the fault of those who voted to remain.

To the vast majority who want Brexit resolved by the 31st October whether they voted leave or remain.

Only a few delusionals like yourself think dragging this out further will be good for anyone except maybe Jeremy Corbyn.

Is that the Hammond who is pro-remain and spouted nonsense about how the economy would implode if we left

Did you now?

You knew “quite a bit” eh? So you knew the NHS bus was a lie? You knew the talk of Turkey was a bunch of nonsense? You knew that when David Davis said it would be the easiest deal in history, that he was a tad misguided? You knew that you were voting for a no deal, when the entire leave campaign spoke of piss easy deals, negotiated overnight, from our position of negotiating power? You knew that the NFU would call a no deal brexit the biggest farming disaster ever? You knew about the contents of the yellowhammer report, before it was even written?

You had “some dealings” with EU related issues. Wow.

So let me get this straight, you believe, you truly and honestly believe that the general public do not know loads more about brexit now, then they did in 2016? If you really believe that, be careful at the pedestrian crossing near sainsburys.

So you are the guy who coined the phrase backstop? I wondered who it was.

Yes I crossed the Atlantic, that was easy. All the stuff after that, was more difficult,

I am nice enough, but not when it comes to right wing brexit ideologues, for them I make an exception.

I voted for UK independence from the EU I knew that there would be bumps in the road but it's up the parliament to sort out the detail. Anything less than independence is not what I voted for.

That's a fair point and is a position held by many who had always been uncomfortable with the EU or who had come to dislike it's direction. That though doesn't cover everyone who voted to leave and nor does it mean that you knew all the detail, as you go on to confirm.

Just because the EU is throwing up roadblocks to protect itself doesn't change my view in fact it makes me more determined that we should be independent.

That's a cynical way of looking at things and one I regard as inaccurate. The EU, so far as I can tell, have been crystal clear in what they can accept, and what not, but within those boundaries have been willing to try to find compromises which our Parliament can accept. I still don't see why people get so uptight about putting in place a "backstop" arrangement to be used only if the future detailed arrangements cannot be sorted out in time. We could always walk away from it, citing bad faith. We are a sovereign nation.

If you're going down the road that the vote is invalid because some aspects of us leaving are problematic then you should apply that logic to every general election. How many people who vote know the party manifesto in detail? They don't, they take a general view e.g. if you are concerned about public services your probably vote Labour the detail is up to the politicians.

Comparing a referendum vote to a GE isn't a fair one. Parliament's last a maximum of 5 years and yes we do vote for a government's general direction, and not the detail. The referendum was intended to be a one off in which the future of our country for generations was to be decided. When with hindsight we realise that many of us were ill equipped to be able to take such a decision, then asking questions about it's validity are perfectly reasonable.

LOL. We already voted on the issue. Leave won. Why should I vote again on it? The point of voting is that the result of the vote is honoured. As was promised.

Never casting a vote in anything 'advisory' again until the one I did on June 23rd is honoured.

I give you due credit. When you make up your mind nothing stands a chance of changing it, even if it is logical and explained carefully with detailed argument. You repeat exactly the same old mantras you did 100s of pages ago. Things do change you know.

Do you honestly think that a second referendum with Remain on the ballot paper will be taken seriously by anybody? That people will actually sit back and respect the vote?

Yes I most certainly do. Not too many have quite the same fixed opinion as you do. Most are open to reason and argument and are prepared to evaluate things as they are now, and not just as they were back then. Whenever then was.

One of the myriad of reasons people voted to leave the EU was the ludicrous reality that numerous other votes that have gone against the EU have been either outright ignored or people told they have to vote again. We have another referendum after the first has not been followed on through and what then?

I see no truth, or logic, at all in those claims.

Where is the 'healing'? This is the claim I have the most issues around. That somehow a second referendum will bring us all together again when the ONLY clamour for it comes from people who lost the first time around. Beyond parody.

That's also untrue. I know several people locally who originally voted to leave but have subsequently changed their minds. They want another opportunity. The healing would come from ensuring that an overwhelming majority would be stakeholders in whatever result emerged. Maybe that's too radical an idea though for someone who holds black and white views.

And you don't even want a GE first with it as a manifesto option.

I personally don't want another referendum. I am just repeating the argument made for it, which I can see has merit. I am quite sure that each manifesto will include a position on this.

Out of interest do you still proclaim yourself as a democrat? As somebody who believes in universal suffrage?

Stupid question. Of course I do. Always though via Parliament and our representative democratic system. Never simply through referendums and an executive trying to force through their own interpretation of what a result meant.

And here you show your callous and selfish world view.

You would piss on the Good Friday agreement because your world is where you live and work, and you don’t care about people you cannot directly see on a daily basis.

Perhaps you would understand if the IRA become active again and start bombing London?

Must have missed all the talk of the NI backstop in 2016.

The problem is that your argument for a second referendum is totally flawed no matter how many words you use or how many times you repeat it.

Understand. There will no greater understanding of a future Britain outside the EU until it actually happens and time has passed. Before any second vote, people would only be exposed to more propaganda, falsehoods, predictions, self interest and inducements and nothing more that would qualify them to make an educated choice.

Your position is just a losers last hope of getting their own way and you know it. We all know it.

Did you now?

You knew “quite a bit” eh? So you knew the NHS bus was a lie? You knew the talk of Turkey was a bunch of nonsense? You knew that when David Davis said it would be the easiest deal in history, that he was a tad misguided? You knew that you were voting for a no deal, when the entire leave campaign spoke of piss easy deals, negotiated overnight, from our position of negotiating power? You knew that the NFU would call a no deal brexit the biggest farming disaster ever? You knew about the contents of the yellowhammer report, before it was even written?

You had “some dealings” with EU related issues. Wow.

So let me get this straight, you believe, you truly and honestly believe that the general public do not know loads more about brexit now, then they did in 2016? If you really believe that, be careful at the pedestrian crossing near sainsburys.

So you are the guy who coined the phrase backstop? I wondered who it was.

Yes I crossed the Atlantic, that was easy. All the stuff after that, was more difficult,

I am nice enough, but not when it comes to right wing brexit ideologues, for them I make an exception.