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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Online Flag Horsham 28 Jan 19 11.34am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

I think most people who voted leave did so under the impression that the benefits would be compelling and we would leave the EU in a smooth and orderly transition that would not cause any economic harm and disruption to our way of life

Brexit is not delivering on that.


Perhaps if everyone had accepted the result it would have been delivered

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Online Flag Horsham 28 Jan 19 11.44am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

The idea we cannot control EU immigration is a myth. We have the powers to control, the government doesn't exercise them. More lies

Totally wrong. Worked for 30 years in Border Force, there are only 3 reasons to refuse an EU national entry: Public Health; Public Policy;Public Security.
Non EU nationals can be refused on balance of probabilities.
EU nationals arriving undergo same checks as UK Nationals..no more. They can even travel on ID Cards. So whilst you are paying £80 odd quid for a passport, an Italian can travel on a paper ID Card costing 5-10 Euros.
Please dont try to make out this is the fault of the Government it isn't, they are bound by EU Law.
I could give more examples but maybe you can do some research

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 28 Jan 19 11.54am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Totally wrong. Worked for 30 years in Border Force, there are only 3 reasons to refuse an EU national entry: Public Health; Public Policy;Public Security.
Non EU nationals can be refused on balance of probabilities.
EU nationals arriving undergo same checks as UK Nationals..no more. They can even travel on ID Cards. So whilst you are paying £80 odd quid for a passport, an Italian can travel on a paper ID Card costing 5-10 Euros.
Please dont try to make out this is the fault of the Government it isn't, they are bound by EU Law.
I could give more examples but maybe you can do some research

The issue is not entry but immigration ie the right to remain in the UK.


 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 28 Jan 19 12.26pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

The issue is not entry but immigration ie the right to remain in the UK.


Actually I think entry is the issue. As I understand it we have the right to deport EU citizens after 3 months if they have not found a job (Correct me if I am wrong) but the government has never used that right.

It is very expensive to track down and then deport an individual and there have been court cases where the government has tried to deport an EU criminal but a judge has said no for one reason or another.

It is far more practical and cheaper to stop people coming in the first place. The government record on deportation is very poor.

 


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View lloydy's Profile lloydy Flag st ives cornwall 28 Jan 19 12.26pm Send a Private Message to lloydy Add lloydy as a friend

I'm sure it's not easy to implement, but the regulation is there.

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 28 Jan 19 12.32pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by lloydy

I'm sure it's not easy to implement, but the regulation is there.

Thanks.

 


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The costs and time factors of deportation make it a non starter for this particular problem......it's only useful as a last resort.

Prevention is better than a cure.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jan 2019 12.38pm)

 


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View Lyons550's Profile Lyons550 Flag Shirley 28 Jan 19 12.37pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Actually I think entry is the issue. As I understand it we have the right to deport EU citizens after 3 months if they have not found a job (Correct me if I am wrong) but the government has never used that right.

It is very expensive to track down and then deport an individual and there have been court cases where the government has tried to deport an EU criminal but a judge has said no for one reason or another.

It is far more practical and cheaper to stop people coming in the first place. The government record on deportation is very poor.

Where would we deport them to? The last country they left before coming to us? The first EU country the not in a war they entered? Or back home?

Edited by Lyons550 (28 Jan 2019 12.38pm)

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 28 Jan 19 12.38pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

The bottom line is, there was a democratic vote, the result of which some people simply refuse to accept.

Taking this simple and glaringly obvious concept on board, this thread now consists of 329 pages (at 50 posts per page), a large percentage of which is a lot of moaning and grizzling about that result.

Itís democracy, fellas. Donít you like democracy? Because it seems to me that youíre all a bunch of really bad losers.

It's because of the reasoning embodied in the above statement that I am withdrawing from this thread. I have better things to do than constantly try to debate with brick walls. Actually describing the Brexiteer posters here as brick walls is to flatter them. They are more like stone age walls!

To constantly refer to a referendum result as a function of our democracy demonstrates a huge level of ignorance. Our democracy is vested in our Parliament and they can choose to overturn anything if, in the light of events and circumstances, it is their collective will to do so.

I don't believe anyone "won" when in 2016 a very close referendum result was declared. Many things which have nothing to do with the issues can affect such results. When we hold a GE the results can also be so affected but we know that in a few short years we will do it again.

Therefore to cling to the notion that just because 52% outvoted 48% we must adhere to a decision that the majority of our elected representatives disagree with is transparent nonsense. We need to do what is right, and not what is wrong just because of a vote in 2016. It's not up to us to decide what is right, or wrong. It's our representatives job to determine that.

I have encountered the same dumb attitude in other forums. People who hold such views seem all to form a particular sub group of society. I also find it in Trump supporting groups in the USA and anti-immigration groups here.

So I am out of here. No-one is going to change views because of me, as the responses indicate minds pickled in aspic.

We face a calamitous moment in our history so I will play my own small role trying to persuade MPs to do their duty and persuading those who think like me to join in the pressure on them. That's a better use of my time.

At least you all support a decent football club, even if your politics would be more at home at the Den.


 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 28 Jan 19 12.48pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Lyons550

Where would we deport them to? The last country they left before coming to us? The first EU country the not in a war they entered? Or back home?

Edited by Lyons550 (28 Jan 2019 12.38pm)

Sorry I am confused by your post. We are talking about EU citizens not migrants or refugees or asylum seekers. If they have to be deported they would go back to their home EU country, as previously mentioned UK does not do this currently.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The costs and time factors of deportation make it a non starter for this particular problem......it's only useful as a last resort.

Prevention is better than a cure.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Jan 2019 12.38pm)

 


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