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dannyboy1978 16 Oct 19 12.57pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I support them in their duty to make such decisions. I believe in Parliamentary democracy even if I don't always personally believe in each decision. Don't you? Not anymore when I've been told by three prime minister's we are leaving.

dannyboy1978

16 Oct 19 12.57pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I support them in their duty to make such decisions. I believe in Parliamentary democracy even if I don't always personally believe in each decision. Don't you?

Not anymore when I've been told by three prime minister's we are leaving.

dannyboy1978 16 Oct 19 1.00pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That was an analysis of a number of polls by Prof Curtice who often does such work for the BBC. It showed some interesting facts about the way the electorate as a whole are responding to current events. It t might make uncomfortable reading for some here but what do you expect the BBC to do, just ignore it? It was headlined as if we changed from leave to remain ! When more people voted leave in the pole,

dannyboy1978

16 Oct 19 1.00pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That was an analysis of a number of polls by Prof Curtice who often does such work for the BBC.

It showed some interesting facts about the way the electorate as a whole are responding to current events. It t might make uncomfortable reading for some here but what do you expect the BBC to do, just ignore it?

It was headlined as if we changed from leave to remain ! When more people voted leave in the pole,

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Oct 19 3.01pm
Originally posted by DanH A lot of noise that the deal being brought back is going to have even more concessions than the original May one. Would be funny if it wasn't so tragic. That technology solution for the border is still coming, don’t worry.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 16 Oct 19 3.01pm

Originally posted by DanH

A lot of noise that the deal being brought back is going to have even more concessions than the original May one. Would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.

That technology solution for the border is still coming, don’t worry.

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Oct 19 3.02pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 It was headlined as if we changed from leave to remain ! When more people voted leave in the pole, The headline was a question; your own bias is why you interpreted it the way you did.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 16 Oct 19 3.02pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

It was headlined as if we changed from leave to remain ! When more people voted leave in the pole,

The headline was a question; your own bias is why you interpreted it the way you did.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Oct 19 3.03pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Who did you vote for in 2017? Come on your not secretive. Only recent comments? So you have changed your mind then? I am not secretive on here but no-one should really be expected to reveal how they voted at a GE. As my local MP, Sarah Newton, has helped me personally over the years with a particular issue you could though make an educated guess as to who I supported. I haven't changed my mind that I believe Brexit to be a huge mistake, or that the leave campaign was fraudulent. However, my present interest is all on Parliament's determination to avoid a "no deal" exit. Once that is achieved then we can start to examine the subsequent options. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Oct 19 3.03pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Who did you vote for in 2017? Come on your not secretive.

Only recent comments? So you have changed your mind then?

I am not secretive on here but no-one should really be expected to reveal how they voted at a GE. As my local MP, Sarah Newton, has helped me personally over the years with a particular issue you could though make an educated guess as to who I supported.

I haven't changed my mind that I believe Brexit to be a huge mistake, or that the leave campaign was fraudulent. However, my present interest is all on Parliament's determination to avoid a "no deal" exit. Once that is achieved then we can start to examine the subsequent options.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Oct 19 3.10pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Not anymore when I've been told by three prime minister's we are leaving. Classic error. Don't worry though a lot of people here make it. Prime Ministers don't speak for Parliament. They can only speak for the government they currently lead, and even then without any certainty that their back benchers or sometimes their own ministers, will vote the way they want them to. Prime Ministers express intentions and hopes. They cannot make promises, although they hope you think they can. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Oct 19 3.10pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Not anymore when I've been told by three prime minister's we are leaving.

Classic error. Don't worry though a lot of people here make it.

Prime Ministers don't speak for Parliament. They can only speak for the government they currently lead, and even then without any certainty that their back benchers or sometimes their own ministers, will vote the way they want them to.

Prime Ministers express intentions and hopes. They cannot make promises, although they hope you think they can.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Oct 19 3.14pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 It was headlined as if we changed from leave to remain ! When more people voted leave in the pole, And if you read it all it said pretty much exactly that. It was based on opinion polls which have a big margin or error but nevertheless are all pointing the same way. Which is why the headline asked a question rather than made a statement. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Oct 19 3.14pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

It was headlined as if we changed from leave to remain ! When more people voted leave in the pole,

And if you read it all it said pretty much exactly that. It was based on opinion polls which have a big margin or error but nevertheless are all pointing the same way. Which is why the headline asked a question rather than made a statement.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

steeleye20 Croydon 16 Oct 19 3.47pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Classic error. Don't worry though a lot of people here make it. Prime Ministers don't speak for Parliament. They can only speak for the government they currently lead, and even then without any certainty that their back benchers or sometimes their own ministers, will vote the way they want them to. Prime Ministers express intentions and hopes. They cannot make promises, although they hope you think they can. What PMs do very successfully is appear confident and effortlessly superior in times of crisis, more so in the ones they have themselves created. Ted Heath said this was actually not innate it was taught him before he was appointed. It is so that, when the s***e has really hit the fan thee is really nothing to worry about they will sort out this little local difficulty, no need to panic as I am here. An excellent example in last weeks 'spotlight on the troubles' was Mrs Thatcher and Dr.Fitzgerald's Anglo-Irish accord on Northern Ireland, although they don't appear to be represented at all. How immaculate and dismissive of any problems she is, exuding confidence and power, just leave it to us thank you.. The result of her interference was that Ulster Unionists felt sold out and went on a violent campaign afterwards which at some points even exceeded even the IRAs. 'Just popping in to sort your country out' Enhanced waving and smiles, trust us you know it makes sense etc. The British public fall for it every time.

steeleye20

Croydon 16 Oct 19 3.47pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Classic error. Don't worry though a lot of people here make it.

Prime Ministers express intentions and hopes. They cannot make promises, although they hope you think they can.

What PMs do very successfully is appear confident and effortlessly superior in times of crisis, more so in the ones they have themselves created.

Ted Heath said this was actually not innate it was taught him before he was appointed.

It is so that, when the s***e has really hit the fan thee is really nothing to worry about they will sort out this little local difficulty, no need to panic as I am here.

An excellent example in last weeks 'spotlight on the troubles' was Mrs Thatcher and Dr.Fitzgerald's Anglo-Irish accord on Northern Ireland, although they don't appear to be represented at all.

How immaculate and dismissive of any problems she is, exuding confidence and power, just leave it to us thank you..

The result of her interference was that Ulster Unionists felt sold out and went on a violent campaign afterwards which at some points even exceeded even the IRAs.

'Just popping in to sort your country out'

Enhanced waving and smiles, trust us you know it makes sense etc.

The British public fall for it every time.

dannyboy1978 16 Oct 19 4.27pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Classic error. Don't worry though a lot of people here make it. Prime Ministers don't speak for Parliament. They can only speak for the government they currently lead, and even then without any certainty that their back benchers or sometimes their own ministers, will vote the way they want them to. Prime Ministers express intentions and hopes. They cannot make promises, although they hope you think they can. So we literally don't live in a democracy. Government doest have to abide by its manefesto , Members of parliment can vote against their constituency. Vote them all out and the new lot can f*** you over. This makes me more anti establishment and want to leave the EU.

dannyboy1978

16 Oct 19 4.27pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Classic error. Don't worry though a lot of people here make it.

Prime Ministers express intentions and hopes. They cannot make promises, although they hope you think they can.

So we literally don't live in a democracy. Government doest have to abide by its manefesto , Members of parliment can vote against their constituency. Vote them all out and the new lot can f*** you over.

This makes me more anti establishment and want to leave the EU.

steeleye20 Croydon 16 Oct 19 5.06pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 So we literally don't live in a democracy. Government doest have to abide by its manefesto , Members of parliment can vote against their constituency. Vote them all out and the new lot can f*** you over. This makes me more anti establishment and want to leave the EU. Boris Johnson (And May) 'No Conservative government could sign up to a border in the Irish Sea'. See what we mean?

steeleye20

Croydon 16 Oct 19 5.06pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

This makes me more anti establishment and want to leave the EU.

Boris Johnson (And May) 'No Conservative government could sign up to a border in the Irish Sea'.

See what we mean?

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Midlands Eagle 16 Oct 19 5.52pm
Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE [Tweet Link] I'm off to Spain next weekend and I've got my International Driving Permit. It cost me £5.50 and took 10 minutes to arrange at my local Post Office

Midlands Eagle

16 Oct 19 5.52pm

Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE

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I'm off to Spain next weekend and I've got my International Driving Permit. It cost me £5.50 and took 10 minutes to arrange at my local Post Office

Badger11 Beckenham 16 Oct 19 6.00pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I'm off to Spain next weekend and I've got my International Driving Permit. It cost me £5.50 and took 10 minutes to arrange at my local Post Office That's no excuse, cancel Brexit. Macron has just said he thinks a deal is done it's now over to the DUP. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 16 Oct 19 6.00pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I'm off to Spain next weekend and I've got my International Driving Permit. It cost me £5.50 and took 10 minutes to arrange at my local Post Office

That's no excuse, cancel Brexit.

Macron has just said he thinks a deal is done it's now over to the DUP.

One more point

jeeagles 16 Oct 19 6.24pm
ALl the current reports saying that they are nearly there on a deal but wont get the legal arrangement done in time. Thanks Jeremy, if you didnt take no deal off the table they would have been bending over backwards to get a deal done ASAP. Killed the negotiating position.

jeeagles

16 Oct 19 6.24pm

ALl the current reports saying that they are nearly there on a deal but wont get the legal arrangement done in time.

Thanks Jeremy, if you didnt take no deal off the table they would have been bending over backwards to get a deal done ASAP.

Killed the negotiating position.

Matov 16 Oct 19 7.32pm
Forget Ireland. Nothing to do with the border. All to do with regulatory alignment. That is what the EU want more than anything else because they do not want us soaking up every bit of over-seas investment going. That is what this supposed 'deal' is going to fall or die on. Limits on the trade deals we can do abroad. My gut is telling me it will all fall to pieces with the EU looking to blame Johnson with the hope it impacts on him in any forthcoming election. Lets see. Been wrong plenty of times before but this is all starting to stink now. Better no-deal than bowing down to the EU on this. No point in being out if we are limited on who we can trade with. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

16 Oct 19 7.32pm

Forget Ireland. Nothing to do with the border. All to do with regulatory alignment. That is what the EU want more than anything else because they do not want us soaking up every bit of over-seas investment going. That is what this supposed 'deal' is going to fall or die on. Limits on the trade deals we can do abroad.

My gut is telling me it will all fall to pieces with the EU looking to blame Johnson with the hope it impacts on him in any forthcoming election.

Lets see. Been wrong plenty of times before but this is all starting to stink now. Better no-deal than bowing down to the EU on this. No point in being out if we are limited on who we can trade with.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

sickboy Deal or Croydon 16 Oct 19 7.51pm
Originally posted by Matov Forget Ireland. Nothing to do with the border. All to do with regulatory alignment. That is what the EU want more than anything else because they do not want us soaking up every bit of over-seas investment going. That is what this supposed 'deal' is going to fall or die on. Limits on the trade deals we can do abroad. My gut is telling me it will all fall to pieces with the EU looking to blame Johnson with the hope it impacts on him in any forthcoming election. Lets see. Been wrong plenty of times before but this is all starting to stink now. Better no-deal than bowing down to the EU on this. No point in being out if we are limited on who we can trade with. A bit like getting divorced then having your ex tell you who you can see, and when, where you can live, etc, etc.

sickboy

Deal or Croydon 16 Oct 19 7.51pm

Originally posted by Matov

My gut is telling me it will all fall to pieces with the EU looking to blame Johnson with the hope it impacts on him in any forthcoming election.

Lets see. Been wrong plenty of times before but this is all starting to stink now. Better no-deal than bowing down to the EU on this. No point in being out if we are limited on who we can trade with.

A bit like getting divorced then having your ex tell you who you can see, and when, where you can live, etc, etc.

elgrande bedford 16 Oct 19 8.13pm
Boris could bring back the best deal going. But makes no odds,because comrade Corbyn has already said he wouldn't back any deal brought back by the Tories. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 16 Oct 19 8.13pm

Boris could bring back the best deal going.
But makes no odds,because comrade Corbyn has already said he wouldn't back any deal brought back by the Tories.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

steeleye20 Croydon 16 Oct 19 8.20pm
Originally posted by sickboy A bit like getting divorced then having your ex tell you who you can see, and when, where you can live, etc, etc. And paying them for the privilege!

steeleye20

Croydon 16 Oct 19 8.20pm

Originally posted by sickboy

A bit like getting divorced then having your ex tell you who you can see, and when, where you can live, etc, etc.

And paying them for the privilege!

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Oct 19 8.41pm
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 So we literally don't live in a democracy. Government doest have to abide by its manefesto , Members of parliment can vote against their constituency. Vote them all out and the new lot can f*** you over. This makes me more anti establishment and want to leave the EU. We live in a Parliamentary and not in a direct democracy. It's not a question of Government not abiding by it's manifesto. No Government controls Parliament. Parliament controls the Government, and if they vote something down then there is nothing they can do about it other than listen to the reasons why, make amendments and try again. Scrutiny by Parliament is a vital check on government. You might not like it but our system protects us against any possibility of us having a dictatorship rise to power. It has it's weaknesses but still represents the best option available. Leaving the EU won't change that. Nor is it anything to do with the "establishment". It's just our system. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Oct 19 8.41pm

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

This makes me more anti establishment and want to leave the EU.

We live in a Parliamentary and not in a direct democracy. It's not a question of Government not abiding by it's manifesto. No Government controls Parliament. Parliament controls the Government, and if they vote something down then there is nothing they can do about it other than listen to the reasons why, make amendments and try again. Scrutiny by Parliament is a vital check on government.

You might not like it but our system protects us against any possibility of us having a dictatorship rise to power. It has it's weaknesses but still represents the best option available.

Leaving the EU won't change that. Nor is it anything to do with the "establishment". It's just our system.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Oct 19 8.49pm
Originally posted by jeeagles ALl the current reports saying that they are nearly there on a deal but wont get the legal arrangement done in time. Thanks Jeremy, if you didnt take no deal off the table they would have been bending over backwards to get a deal done ASAP. Killed the negotiating position. The EU look to have compromised a lot but we won't really know until the fine print is available, which always looked a very remote possibility to me. Any blockage will be by the DUP and ERG, ie ultra leavers. Corbyn instructing Labour to vote against won't be the killer move. Enough Labour MPs are likely to vote in favour to tip the balance, if the DUP and ERG come on board. So blaming "Jeremy" seems a little bit as though you want to blame him for everything. There is more than enough to condemn him over but this isn't one. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 16 Oct 19 8.49pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

ALl the current reports saying that they are nearly there on a deal but wont get the legal arrangement done in time.

Thanks Jeremy, if you didnt take no deal off the table they would have been bending over backwards to get a deal done ASAP.

Killed the negotiating position.

The EU look to have compromised a lot but we won't really know until the fine print is available, which always looked a very remote possibility to me.

Any blockage will be by the DUP and ERG, ie ultra leavers. Corbyn instructing Labour to vote against won't be the killer move. Enough Labour MPs are likely to vote in favour to tip the balance, if the DUP and ERG come on board.

So blaming "Jeremy" seems a little bit as though you want to blame him for everything. There is more than enough to condemn him over but this isn't one.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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