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 Ray in Houston  Houston 25 Sep 17 3.00pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
This guy says something a bit foolish about pederasty, which is an unfortunate reality and which he was apart of and it gets turned around into 'Milo supports sex with 13 year olds'. I'm not 'excusing' anything. I don't agree with the concept of pederasty as acceptable at all. That's got nothing to do with my objection. I originally reacted against an unfair statement and of course....I get the hysteria of hyperbolic reactions. You ignored his statement about this issue..I posted the link to it several times. You ignored the fact or didn't bother looking that in the very same interview he says he agrees with the age of consent. As for you smearing the catholic church. Once again, I suggest that you wouldn't have said this against other religions. The reality that all personal religions are control systems is a different point.
Also, you have no idea what I might say or do say about other churches, so here you go again inventing an argument and attributing it to the other side. Tilt at that windmill all you like, it looks pretty funny from where I'm standing.
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Stirlingsays  25 Sep 17 3.01pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Let's recap. You love Milo who basically said older men on young teens gay encounters are ok, you said the the edl mission statement has nothing wrong with it and espouse eugenics. Have I missed anything? 1) No he didn't. He basically said that some people below the age of consent are ready for consent. He said these relationships can be beneficial and were for him, which was foolish and unfortunate. He said that he agreed with the age of consent. He later clarified all of it and apologised having been the victim of sexual abuse himself....but you being Nick don't care about that. You don't like his political views so that's all that matters. 2) I see nothing in the EDI mission statement that I have a problem with. However, I've since found out that many of its members aren't people I'd agree with. But the mission statement is fine. 3) Modern eugenics is beneficial to mankind. All the scare mongering about it on this thread has been absurd. I'm wary of replying to you as I'm fed up with the labels.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Sep 17 3.05pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Also, you have no idea what I might say or do say about other churches, so here you go again inventing an argument and attributing it to the other side. Tilt at that windmill all you like, it looks pretty funny from where I'm standing. Well, if I'm providing you with amusement at least that's something positive.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Sep 17 3.05pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
1) No he didn't. He basically said that some people below the age of consent are ready for consent. He said these relationships can be beneficial and were for him, which was foolish and unfortunate. He said that he agreed with the age of consent. He later clarified all of it and apologised having been the victim of sexual abuse himself....but you being Nick don't care about that. You don't like his political views so that's all that matters. 2) I see nothing in the EDI mission statement that I have a problem with. However, I've since found out that many of its members aren't people I'd agree with. But the mission statement is fine. 3) Modern eugenics is beneficial to mankind. All the scare mongering about it on this thread has been absurd. I'm wary of replying to you as I'm fed up with the labels.
No denial. Thanks for the clarification.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Sep 17 3.08pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Still would. Yeah....though I bet it would be like a car in the Watford tunnel nowadays. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Sep 2017 3.09pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 25 Sep 17 3.54pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Thing is, over time, technology tends to change the powers that be. Same as the industrial revolution changed society from agricultural to urbanised, the likelihood is that such a technology would eventually over time become common place, and where resistance is encountered it tends to create movements for change - as seen in industrialisation with Unionisation etc. Where societies don't change willingly, you tend to get militancy and revolution. The great age of liberalism stemmed from not so much a desire to do the right thing, but from the fear of the consequences of not doing so (and massively accelerated following the French and Russian Revolutions). The 'powers that be' only have so much control. After the industrial revolution these powers shifted from landowners to factory owners and merchant classes - the great middle class revolution. Strange as it may seem to us now, but the emergent middle class was a revolutionary in its own right. With the arrival of such technologies, societies that refuse to change will likely be subject to revolutionary movements of the people, typically led by disenfranchised middle classes and occasional members of the upper classes. Most revolutionary leaders tend to come from the middle and lower upper classes. The powers that be might change but they will still want to run the game.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 25 Sep 17 4.09pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The powers that be might change but they will still want to run the game. These terms like 'society' and 'capitalism' and 'the economy' are really just ways of describing how people are going about their lives - largely pursuing activities that they think are in the best interests of themselves and those dear to them. 'Socialism' is largely people pursuing pipe dreams that they think will make abstract ideas of 'classless equality' real.
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| Ray in Houston Houston 25 Sep 17 4.15pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
These terms like 'society' and 'capitalism' and 'the economy' are really just ways of describing how people are going about their lives - largely pursuing activities that they think are in the best interests of themselves and those dear to them. 'Socialism' is largely people pursuing pipe dreams that they think will make abstract ideas of 'classless equality' real. Next time you go to the doctor or dentist, or see police responding to an emergency (like Islamists stabbing people on London Bridge) or firemen running into a burning building (like Grenfell Tower), or see the armed services in action overseas (like Iraq and Afghanistan), or turn the lights on and they work, or run the tap and get clean water, or flush the toilet and watch your s*** disappear, or drive on a road or ride a train or land safely at an airport... ...remind yourself how much socialism sucks.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 25 Sep 17 4.25pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Next time you go to the doctor or dentist, or see police responding to an emergency (like Islamists stabbing people on London Bridge) or firemen running into a burning building (like Grenfell Tower), or see the armed services in action overseas (like Iraq and Afghanistan), or turn the lights on and they work, or run the tap and get clean water, or flush the toilet and watch your s*** disappear, or drive on a road or ride a train or land safely at an airport... ...remind yourself how much socialism sucks. Last time I saw a doctor it was a private consultation. My dentist is a very nice lady who runs quite an expensive, but excellent, private practice (in dentistry that is). My house has a private sewage treatment system - not on the public sewers. Private companies own the electricity and water supplies. Roads are badly maintained by our county council - pot holes everywhere. Railways and airports are run by private companies. But of course I accept that we need state controlled fire services and state controlled armed forces - although there is no doubt a good deal of inefficiency and waste in how they are run, as there is in all government endeavours.
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| Ray in Houston Houston 25 Sep 17 5.14pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Last time I saw a doctor it was a private consultation. My dentist is a very nice lady who runs quite an expensive, but excellent, private practice (in dentistry that is). My house has a private sewage treatment system - not on the public sewers. Private companies own the electricity and water supplies. Roads are badly maintained by our county council - pot holes everywhere. Railways and airports are run by private companies. But of course I accept that we need state controlled fire services and state controlled armed forces - although there is no doubt a good deal of inefficiency and waste in how they are run, as there is in all government endeavours. Cool. So if - heaven forbid - you are ever involved in an accident, you'll eschew the ambulance that turns up and instead make your own way to your private doctor for assistance. Maybe by Uber. Eh? Oh. Your private sewage system ends up in the public system at some point, even if it gets carted away by a private company. Your private electric utility gets its juice off the public transmission grid. Don't fool yourself on that one either. Unless you're 100% solar from your own rooftop, you're using public services. Your "private" water supply is the same, unless you're collecting and purifying rainwater that lands on your roof. Railways are run by private companies...on publicly owned tracks. Just like you drive your personal vehicle on publicly owned - and potholed - streets. As for waste and inefficiency in public services, that old chestnut gets debunked every time it happens. A private - for profit - company overhead is about 30%. A government-run entity overhead is usually in single digits - because they don't have to return value to shareholders and they don't have to make a profit. And it's not like there's a whole other team of super-talented people who are waiting in the wings to take over once all the so-called incompetents in the state-run businesses are fired. It's the same people, just with new bosses who are paid multiples of the old ones who no longer have the public's interest at heart; by law they are required to do what's right by shareholders first. If a private company screws up, they go bankrupt. If a private company providing essential public services goes bankrupt, the government has to step in and save it, flushing public money down the drain to support a for-profit, failed business model. E.g., air traffic control services were half-privitised but the government had to step back in to provide a bail out when the private management team needed it to keep the lights on. So the government ended up with the majority stake, because...freedom? Socialism is Houston (and in Texas generally) - beyond police and fire services - is virtually non-existent. Public transportation is so sparse as to be unusable, all the while road congestion costs the city billions in lost productivity. The water is drinkable even if it comes out of the cold tap hot. Edited by Ray in Houston (25 Sep 2017 5.19pm)
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 25 Sep 17 5.27pm |
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston
Cool. So if - heaven forbid - you are ever involved in an accident, you'll eschew the ambulance that turns up and instead make your own way to your private doctor for assistance. Maybe by Uber. Eh? Oh. Your private sewage system ends up in the public system at some point, even if it gets carted away by a private company. Your private electric utility gets its juice off the public transmission grid. Don't fool yourself on that one either. Unless you're 100% solar from your own rooftop, you're using public services. Your "private" water supply is the same, unless you're collecting and purifying rainwater that lands on your roof. Railways are run by private companies...on publicly owned tracks. Just like you drive your personal vehicle on publicly owned - and potholed - streets. As for waste and inefficiency in public services, that old chestnut gets debunked every time it happens. A private - for profit - company overhead is about 30%. A government-run entity overhead is usually in single digits - because they don't have to return value to shareholders and they don't have to make a profit. And it's not like there's a whole other team of super-talented people who are waiting in the wings to take over once all the so-called incompetents in the state-run businesses are fired. It's the same people, just with new bosses who are paid multiples of the old ones who no longer have the public's interest at heart; by law they are required to do what's right by shareholders first. If a private company screws up, they go bankrupt. If a private company providing essential public services goes bankrupt, the government has to step in and save it, flushing public money down the drain to support a for-profit, failed business model. E.g., air traffic control services were half-privitised but the government had to step back in to provide a bail out when the private management team needed it to keep the lights on. So the government ended up with the majority stake, because...freedom? Socialism is Houston (and in Texas generally) - beyond police and fire services - is virtually non-existent. Public transportation is so sparse as to be unusable, all the while road congestion costs the city billions in lost productivity. The water is drinkable even if it comes out of the cold tap hot. Edited by Ray in Houston (25 Sep 2017 5.19pm) Private companies go bankrupt if they are badly run or produce goods or services that consumers don't want. Public services go on and on fueled by tax payers money regardless of how inefficient, over-staffed and incompetent they are. Why do you live in a country whose ways of running things you despise so much? Why not move to Cuba - real socialism there for you to enjoy. Edited by hedgehog50 (25 Sep 2017 5.31pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 25 Sep 17 5.34pm |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Private companies go bankrupt if they are badly run or produce goods or services that consumers don't want. Public services go on and on fueled by tax payers money regardless of how inefficient, over-staffed and incompetent they are. Why do you live in a country whose ways of running things you despise so much? Why not move to Cuba - real socialism there for you to enjoy. Edited by hedgehog50 (25 Sep 2017 5.31pm) Why don't you move to Germany. Looking at the election results there you'd fit right in .
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