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 rikz  Croydon 06 Nov 17 5.05pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Pretty sure, it would be rather absurd position to assume that being of a specific racial group would affect the ability to manage a football team. The same kind of situation was seen in the US, and demonstrated to not be down to biological by social differences. We also saw it with players (although admittedly for more overt racial reasons back in the 70s); it wasn't a case that suddenly a generation of black players were suddenly capable - but that the success of a key few who did break through, created a new 'baseline' of what worked. Its a way of the world, people tend to go with an established formula, until someone breaks that mould. When there is millions riding on a decision, people who are spending the money tend to be cautious, and risk averse. How many black players go onto do their coaching badges and look to get into management tho ? I wouldn't say it was down to known factors, more the fact they're so underrepresented and just comes down to basic maths. Most new managers are employed on their playing careers so if you were a top player then you've got a pretty good chance of getting a job in management regardless of colour. When there's money involved people couldn't care less who's making it for them and women competing and winning a male dominated sport would be a marketing dream. Biologically they just don't seem to be able to compete against men. Pretty sure the only Olympic record held by a woman over a man is the discus and the woman's discus is lighter and smaller. So even that is handicapped.
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| Stuk Top half 06 Nov 17 5.37pm |
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Originally posted by rikz
How many black players go onto do their coaching badges and look to get into management tho ? I wouldn't say it was down to known factors, more the fact they're so underrepresented and just comes down to basic maths. Most new managers are employed on their playing careers so if you were a top player then you've got a pretty good chance of getting a job in management regardless of colour. When there's money involved people couldn't care less who's making it for them and women competing and winning a male dominated sport would be a marketing dream. Biologically they just don't seem to be able to compete against men. Pretty sure the only Olympic record held by a woman over a man is the discus and the woman's discus is lighter and smaller. So even that is handicapped. Half the weight. They're all held by East Germans though, and all of their records should be removed along with Flo-Jo's.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 06 Nov 17 5.44pm |
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Originally posted by rikz
How many black players go onto do their coaching badges and look to get into management tho ? I wouldn't say it was down to known factors, more the fact they're so underrepresented and just comes down to basic maths. Most new managers are employed on their playing careers so if you were a top player then you've got a pretty good chance of getting a job in management regardless of colour. That doesn't seem to be the case though, and the experience of black football managers in the UK does tally with those in the US before affirmative action was taken (on interviews) which lead to a large uptake in black managers, and success of black manager. Its about how we think in terms of what is successful and what isn't, and how people tend to replicate known formula unconsciously. Especially, when your talking about giving some a 45k week job, on which your staking tens of millions in revenue. It explains also why some average managers manage to just keep getting jobs, despite their performance - if they've had a 'bit of success'. Because its an area where 'gut feel' dominates more than things like optometric stats and performance indicators (something US sports are very into). Obviously, there are physiological differences between men and women, that manifest in terms of physical sports - but there is also a culture of bias (say in women's darts - there certainly shouldn't be any physiological differences of significance - other than maybe a professional male darts player gets to practice all the time, and a female player probably can't). I don't think its overt prejudice, rather more about having a choice between taking a risk and going with a safe option.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 07 Nov 17 1.45pm |
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Sacked Labour minister Carl Sargeant found dead Is this to be the first of a number? ..... Edited by Lyons550 (07 Nov 2017 1.46pm)
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Kermit8  Hevon 07 Nov 17 1.47pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
Sacked Labour minister Carl Sargeant found dead Is this to be the first of a number? ..... Edited by Lyons550 (07 Nov 2017 1.46pm) Wikileeks has a lot to answer for.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Nov 17 2.18pm |
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| Mapletree Croydon 07 Nov 17 2.23pm |
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What is fun to the media is life changing to the affected people. The mob rule that is driving this needs to be taken under control. I suspect this chap had things to feel guilty about but a life sentence is pretty extreme It does occur to me that in all of these cases the word of the complainant is given so much credence that they become accuser, judge and jury. Maybe one or two of them aren't completely objective or have some kind of axe to grind.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 07 Nov 17 2.38pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
What is fun to the media is life changing to the affected people. The mob rule that is driving this needs to be taken under control. I suspect this chap had things to feel guilty about but a life sentence is pretty extreme It does occur to me that in all of these cases the word of the complainant is given so much credence that they become accuser, judge and jury. Maybe one or two of them aren't completely objective or have some kind of axe to grind.
And all the while the media that's been feeding on the frenzy will sit back before then feeding some more on the tragedy of someone feeling the need to take their own life, which they've helped to push over the line.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Nov 17 3.26pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
What is fun to the media is life changing to the affected people. The mob rule that is driving this needs to be taken under control. I suspect this chap had things to feel guilty about but a life sentence is pretty extreme It does occur to me that in all of these cases the word of the complainant is given so much credence that they become accuser, judge and jury. Maybe one or two of them aren't completely objective or have some kind of axe to grind. Problem is that you have an entire apparatus that seems to be in place to cover up and suppress allegations. How many people seem to be able to get away with it is staggering, only if you don't talk to women about harassment, and see that almost every woman has been 'touched' by this kind of behaviour or experienced far worse in their lifetime. It seems in the past we've been 'blind' to serious allegations for so long, that now, its fair enough. The likes of Weinstein have been getting away with serious sex crimes for decades - and now they're paying a price they should have paid 30 or 40 years ago, before they could rack up so many allegations. Some might be lies, but truth is, when you've got that many people accusing you, and so many people coming out and supporting the allegations from within the 'industry' you're guilty.
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| steeleye20 Online Croydon 07 Nov 17 4.03pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Problem is that you have an entire apparatus that seems to be in place to cover up and suppress allegations. How many people seem to be able to get away with it is staggering, only if you don't talk to women about harassment, and see that almost every woman has been 'touched' by this kind of behaviour or experienced far worse in their lifetime. It seems in the past we've been 'blind' to serious allegations for so long, that now, its fair enough. The likes of Weinstein have been getting away with serious sex crimes for decades - and now they're paying a price they should have paid 30 or 40 years ago, before they could rack up so many allegations. Some might be lies, but truth is, when you've got that many people accusing you, and so many people coming out and supporting the allegations from within the 'industry' you're guilty. Unfortunately women are not necessarily honest and there is no reason for believing them the only test should be did it actually happen. What can happen if it is not provable, is that a man can have his life destroyed by malicious gossip and downright lies. It's not long since we saw a parade of women on American TV all claiming seriously that Donald Trump had interfered with them, they were quite serious types in their 40's not bimbos. Whatever happened to them, looks like the USA voters, men and women, did not believe them, correctly? With a woman, who knows?
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johnno42000  07 Nov 17 4.08pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
And all the while the media that's been feeding on the frenzy will sit back before then feeding some more on the tragedy of someone feeling the need to take their own life, which they've helped to push over the line. From what I've read he was suspended after Carwyn Jones had heard allegations from several women. What they were and whether they are true aren't known by us yet. The man could have been suffering from depression and the mere fact he was accused, even if there were no basis, could have been enough to push him over the edge. Then again they could have been telling the truth and he may have been guilty of something.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 07 Nov 17 4.23pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Unfortunately women are not necessarily honest and there is no reason for believing them the only test should be did it actually happen. What can happen if it is not provable, is that a man can have his life destroyed by malicious gossip and downright lies. It's not long since we saw a parade of women on American TV all claiming seriously that Donald Trump had interfered with them, they were quite serious types in their 40's not bimbos. Whatever happened to them, looks like the USA voters, men and women, did not believe them, correctly? With a woman, who knows? Oddly though there doesn't seem to be anyone suggesting that those accusing Kevin Spacey are making it up. As for the US voters, they elected a f**king idiot to be president. The other half voted for a corrupt elitist. Whilst I think we have to trust voters on the basis of their decisions, we shouldn't award them any special value. A man who by his own statements is a sex pest on two separate interviews (Bush and Stern). Do you think all those women are lying?
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