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Matov Flag 27 Jan 22 3.18pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

The BBC interview alone was must see. Imagine if this went to trial. Get the popcorn in. Can't see it happening though.


It's an interesting tactic. But what has he got to lose? His reputation is already in tatters, he has been effectively barred from being a Royal and so there ain't much else that can happen to him.

s*** or bust time. Plus it will force his accuser to justify her claims in a public court. All very well spinning stuff through a PR firm or statements from lawyers but being cross-examined by a hostile brief, that's a different ball game altogether.

And juries can be notoriously fickle about these matters. It might actually be Andrews saving grace.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 27 Jan 22 4.18pm

Originally posted by Matov


It's an interesting tactic. But what has he got to lose? His reputation is already in tatters, he has been effectively barred from being a Royal and so there ain't much else that can happen to him.

s*** or bust time. Plus it will force his accuser to justify her claims in a public court. All very well spinning stuff through a PR firm or statements from lawyers but being cross-examined by a hostile brief, that's a different ball game altogether.

And juries can be notoriously fickle about these matters. It might actually be Andrews saving grace.

You really think so M, it would be loaded against him.

He walks into trouble imo.


 

BlueJay Flag UK 27 Jan 22 4.34pm

Originally posted by Matov


It's an interesting tactic. But what has he got to lose? His reputation is already in tatters, he has been effectively barred from being a Royal and so there ain't much else that can happen to him.

s*** or bust time. Plus it will force his accuser to justify her claims in a public court. All very well spinning stuff through a PR firm or statements from lawyers but being cross-examined by a hostile brief, that's a different ball game altogether.

And juries can be notoriously fickle about these matters. It might actually be Andrews saving grace.

It would be quite the spectacle but he's so out of touch with the average person that if he put himself on the stand it might not go well. With that said Americans have always had a fascination with the Royals and in terms of what many of Epsteins pals have no doubt got up to, its fair to see he's the 'fall guy' and that might bring a degree of sympathy from some jurors. Pretty sure he'll just offer a huge payout but if this somehow does go to court, it's 'must see' territory.

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 27 Jan 22 8.07pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Only if he"s guilty of course! If he is innocent then he won"t pay a penny!

And many on here will obviously return and apologise for their accusations being proven to be false! Baited breath......

 

Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 27 Jan 22 8.55pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

It would be quite the spectacle but he's so out of touch with the average person that if he put himself on the stand it might not go well. With that said Americans have always had a fascination with the Royals and in terms of what many of Epsteins pals have no doubt got up to, its fair to see he's the 'fall guy' and that might bring a degree of sympathy from some jurors. Pretty sure he'll just offer a huge payout but if this somehow does go to court, it's 'must see' territory.

Depends what you call a 'Huge Payout' by all accounts for all his up bringing & schmoozing he's only worth a paltry 20M, not chump change admittedly but I honestly expected him to be worth more than that.

 


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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 27 Jan 22 9.25pm

Originally posted by cryrst

And many on here will obviously return and apologise for their accusations being proven to be false! Baited breath......

And if he pays out, many on here will still be waiting to bow deeply to his highness and doff hat- he is better than thou obvs!

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 29 Jan 22 7.22pm

You know you are in trouble when.....

You have to rely on Kevin Spacey for a character reference.

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BlueJay Flag UK 29 Jan 22 8.18pm

Originally posted by Badger11

You know you are in trouble when.....

You have to rely on Kevin Spacey for a character reference.

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I'm not convinced his contribution alone will be enough. Gary Glitter needs to speak up on this. Did his path ever cross with Prince Andrew over a straightforward shooting weekend?

 

BlueJay Flag UK 29 Jan 22 8.20pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

Depends what you call a 'Huge Payout' by all accounts for all his up bringing & schmoozing he's only worth a paltry 20M, not chump change admittedly but I honestly expected him to be worth more than that.

True, that must be chump change for the Royal Family. Maybe Mummy tried to keep him on a tight rein

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 01 Feb 22 9.54am

The US court has asked for a witness statement from Andrew's personal former equerry.

I feel sorry for the guy if that was me I would be furious.

This is a civil case not criminal it is no different then suing your neighbour because their dog keeps barking. Andrew will not go to jail because of this case.

Working in the royal household is all about discretion, this guy may hate Andrew's guts but he is now being dragged into something I doubt he wants anything to do with. And why should he get involved, this is a US court and relates to matters in the US.

I guess I am a little sensitive about this as a neighbour has been trying to drag me into their dispute with another neighbour which I have resisted.

If the Equerry wants to testify that is fine if he doesn't I expect the media will be all over him making his life a misery.

Edited by Badger11 (01 Feb 2022 9.56am)

 


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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 01 Feb 22 5.08pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

Depends what you call a 'Huge Payout' by all accounts for all his up bringing & schmoozing he's only worth a paltry 20M, not chump change admittedly but I honestly expected him to be worth more than that.

if that is what the judge thinks if a guilty verdict is reached, then there will be investigations to find where he's stashed the cash.
Also disclosing this paltry sum, might be an opening gambit for a settlement figure.
Again, if there is doubt, they will go looking to see where monies are hidden. First stop is Fergie and their children, then friends, associates and businesspersons.

 


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cryrst Flag The garden of England 01 Feb 22 5.31pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

if that is what the judge thinks if a guilty verdict is reached, then there will be investigations to find where he's stashed the cash.
Also disclosing this paltry sum, might be an opening gambit for a settlement figure.
Again, if there is doubt, they will go looking to see where monies are hidden. First stop is Fergie and their children, then friends, associates and businesspersons.

I thought that tart wanted to get some sort of moral outcome.
Oh well I guess it's about money.!

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 01 Feb 22 5.40pm

Originally posted by cryrst

I thought that tart wanted to get some sort of moral outcome.
Oh well I guess it's about money.!

If you keep saying it someone might think it's an interesting point at some point.

It speaks volumes to your character that you see fit to continually label someone who was molested as a 7 year old and a victim of ongoing grooming as a minor as a 'tart'.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (01 Feb 2022 5.40pm)

 

Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 06 Feb 22 5.49am

If this is correctly reported, Andrews lawyers are not on a good wicket

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"PRINCE Andrew's lawyers are said to be planning to present his rape accuser Virginia Roberts as a sex trafficker by allegedly using evidence from a Jeffrey Epstein victim." (The Sun)

1. It doesn't specifically rebuff any of the allegations

2. Victim blaming is not a good stance. A bit like explaining how your cock got to be in a 17year old, was because she wore make-up.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 06 Feb 22 8.27am

I think he is in big trouble, he has agreed to be interviewed over 2 days by the opposition lawyers.

I have seen lots of (admittedly US crime fiction) where depositions are involved they are an exercise in trawling for dirt.

If HRH thinks the questions will only relate to the victim and Epstein he is sorely mistaken. They will try and examine every aspect of his life especially his sex life and of course they will hoping to catch him in a lie.

This will be 2 days of grilling by somebody with a sharp mind, not a fawning TV interviewer,he's already shown with that TV interview that he doesn't perform well I suspect this will be way worse.

He is going to need a sharp lawyer to protect him from the bear traps and I don't think he is up to the job.

Grab the popcorn.

 


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silvertop Flag Portishead 06 Feb 22 9.07am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

If you keep saying it someone might think it's an interesting point at some point.

It speaks volumes to your character that you see fit to continually label someone who was molested as a 7 year old and a victim of ongoing grooming as a minor as a 'tart'.

Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (01 Feb 2022 5.40pm)

Yes but she was not molested by Andrew as a 7 year old. She was 17 and of age just about everywhere in the developed world save parts of the US. How could he have known her awful past?

Andrew is supposedly not very nice but this case has all the trappings of a shake down.

 

becky Flag over the moon 06 Feb 22 9.27am

Originally posted by silvertop

Yes but she was not molested by Andrew as a 7 year old. She was 17 and of age just about everywhere in the developed world save parts of the US. How could he have known her awful past?

Andrew is supposedly not very nice but this case has all the trappings of a shake down.

Her story does seem to have changed several times already, and under oath for a couple too. First she said she had never met him, then in another testimony she admitted she had met him in London but said she never had sex with him, now he's supposed to have poked her all over the world.

As I was always taught, once you are found out for a liar, no-one will ever quite believe anything you say again.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 06 Feb 22 10.35am

Originally posted by becky

Her story does seem to have changed several times already, and under oath for a couple too. First she said she had never met him, then in another testimony she admitted she had met him in London but said she never had sex with him, now he's supposed to have poked her all over the world.


To an extent I definitely see that Andrew has become the chosen fall guy; some kind of supposed proof that justice has been done. But with all that Epstein was doing and those billionaires he inevitably (and intentionally) caught with their pants down who seemed ever so keen on emptying their bank account into his, the lack of mention of them is rather curious.

Prince Andrew is a PR disaster and in combination with this one photo has helped placed himself in the eye of the storm. I'm sure many others, getting up to much more deplorable behavior, are breathing a sigh of relief.

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 06 Feb 22 11.12am

Originally posted by BlueJay


To an extent I definitely see that Andrew has become the chosen fall guy; some kind of supposed proof that justice has been done. But with all that Epstein was doing and those billionaires he inevitably (and intentionally) caught with their pants down who seemed ever so keen on emptying their bank account into his, the lack of mention of them is rather curious.

Prince Andrew is a PR disaster and in combination with this one photo has helped placed himself in the eye of the storm. I'm sure many others, getting up to much more deplorable behavior, are breathing a sigh of relief.

Also complicated by the claim that the picture has been photoshopped even though the supposedly original picture seems to my uneducated eye to have been more tampered with.

 

Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 06 Feb 22 11.32am

This is already a trial by media. And everyone is complicit in facilitating that.
I can't judge the 'victim', but her accounts have varied.
I can't judge Andrew, but his accounts have proved fallible.

But what the lawyers are putting into the media domain is not really helpful to either the case or their clients. Though it may be offsetting some of the legal costs.

 


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