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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 13 Jan 22 12.54pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Not true

They were given a small payment but are fighting for more

She signed an agreement with Epstein that could not include vague allusions to unnamed others with any authority. She has no agreement with PA and became riled when he totally disrespected her experience and refuted what is likely to prove to be largely true.

He said he didn't do it.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 13 Jan 22 3.05pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

He said he didn't do it.

I look forward to finding out who has the more accurate memories via a Court case then.

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag 13 Jan 22 3.58pm Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

It's noteworthy that a white teenager trafficked by a notorious white pedo is posited to be some kind of sexually crazed tart. Night and day compared to the grooming thread here. It's as if those in this horrendous case can't be further used to push a specific demographic dislike and so are viewed in a more off hand or nonplussed light. That is not to say by the way that there aren't specific issues in said cultures. All should be pursued without fear or favour, but like these crimes in many or most contexts they often are not.

Whatever people think of this girl (opportunist or whatever) the wider context is that Epstein and Maxwell were luring in young children to be coerced into sex with adult men and she was caught up in that. When we diminish her, it's important to realise that to an extent we do the same with those victims too.

Whether it's culturally or religiously based, high society exploitation, or childrens homes, the overriding factor in all of these instances is that it almost always goes on for an unbelievable amount of time before anyone is held to account. Sometimes that's due to powerful institutions hushing it up, or wildly misplaced cultural sensitivities, others a culture of silence. Certainly also a level of mental disconnect too with decent people just not wanting to accept that it takes place so mentally reframing it as something else or attributing a level of blame to the victims.


Edited by BlueJay (13 Jan 2022 1.55am)

what are your thoughts on the messages she sent to her friend re visiting Andrew in london where she was legal. ?
Sounded to me she was well up for it.
Bear in mind her friend testified her comments in the Maxwell trial

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 13 Jan 22 4.23pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

It's noteworthy that a white teenager trafficked by a notorious white pedo is posited to be some kind of sexually crazed tart. Night and day compared to the grooming thread here. It's as if those in this horrendous case can't be further used to push a specific demographic dislike and so are viewed in a more off hand or nonplussed light. That is not to say by the way that there aren't specific issues in said cultures. All should be pursued without fear or favour, but like these crimes in many or most contexts they often are not.

Whatever people think of this girl (opportunist or whatever) the wider context is that Epstein and Maxwell were luring in young children to be coerced into sex with adult men and she was caught up in that. When we diminish her, it's important to realise that to an extent we do the same with those victims too.

Whether it's culturally or religiously based, high society exploitation, or childrens homes, the overriding factor in all of these instances is that it almost always goes on for an unbelievable amount of time before anyone is held to account. Sometimes that's due to powerful institutions hushing it up, or wildly misplaced cultural sensitivities, others a culture of silence. Certainly also a level of mental disconnect too with decent people just not wanting to accept that it takes place so mentally reframing it as something else or attributing a level of blame to the victims.


Edited by BlueJay (13 Jan 2022 1.55am)

Well said - I don't know how twisted someone has to be to decide she is the villain in all of this - you have to be seriously lacking some brain power.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 13 Jan 22 5.24pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

He's just lost all his titles looks like the Queen is cutting him adrift.

 


One more point

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 13 Jan 22 5.26pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Randy is stripped of all royal titles and military honours- her majesty has had them returned to her- humiliation in the nation for the duke-not his royal highness!

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 13 Jan 22 8.08pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Randy is stripped of all royal titles and military honours- her majesty has had them returned to her- humiliation in the nation for the duke-not his royal highness!

I don't like Andrew, and he is guilty of hanging out with some dodgy company, but was the girl he allegedly slept with not 17?

Other than being a dickhead, can someone tell me what crime has he actually committed?

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 13 Jan 22 8.23pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Andrew should have cut Her Majesty adrift years ago.

So should we.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 13 Jan 22 9.08pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I look forward to finding out who has the more accurate memories via a Court case then.

Yes for the money. Her briefs must be keeping their fingers crossed that they're better than his. Someone will be gutted that they backed the wrong nag.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 13 Jan 22 9.10pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

He's just lost all his titles looks like the Queen is cutting him adrift.

Even she's gone woke ffs the world has gone mad.

 

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View Sir James Hird's Profile Sir James Hird Flag Mount Martha 13 Jan 22 9.16pm Send a Private Message to Sir James Hird Add Sir James Hird as a friend

Just read Wikipedia of Virginia Guifre and no matter what you think of her, she copped a lot of s*** in her early life and you can understand the bitterness and rage.
No matter what you think of her use of the disgusting laws of USA designed to protect the wealthy as they can pay the legal fees. She has every right to use them.
Prince Andrew sadly for the Queen has disgraced the royal family, think also of how Eugenie and Beatrice must be feeling.
My last point and although not in Andrew's favour because he is the biggest target Virginia Guifre can reach, but its worth looking deeper into her history when she was a child aged 14 in Florida where her father worked and she had a job at Mar-a-Lago.
Strange that Donald Trump is not more in the firing line. Funny that, as we all know he loves publicity and if the yanks try and vote him back into the presidency they deserve him.

 

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 13 Jan 22 9.46pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I don't like Andrew, and he is guilty of hanging out with some dodgy company, but was the girl he allegedly slept with not 17?

Other than being a dickhead, can someone tell me what crime has he actually committed?

I too Hrolf, find it hard to understand what he did that was illegal. He was weak and stupid to be lured into Epstein's crazy world. But, my understanding is that it's simply down to the US minimum age laws, accepting that different States vary. Like you can buy a gun when you're 18 and drive a car at 16, but it's illegal to have sex if you're under 18.

This woman who's accusing Andrew certainly had a difficult early life, but like others involved with Epstein she was participating in his wierd world for a long time before cutting adrift. I mean, she wasn't a child and she must have known what she was doing. You'd think she could have said 'no, this is not for me' and cleared off sooner if she didn't want to get involved.

 


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