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Badger11 Beckenham 22 Oct 19 8.50am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 So you'll swallow a bit of EU down turn for the greater good but not the UK. Leave voters always new it would be bumpy not as bumpy as the remoaners thought !! Are you German or british? Edited by dannyboy1978 (22 Oct 2019 8.40am) Exactly my point. Some people will look at the economic problems of the EU as a temporary blip but wont accept the same for the UK. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 22 Oct 19 8.50am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

So you'll swallow a bit of EU down turn for the greater good but not the UK.
Leave voters always new it would be bumpy not as bumpy as the remoaners thought !!
Are you German or british?

Edited by dannyboy1978 (22 Oct 2019 8.40am)

Exactly my point. Some people will look at the economic problems of the EU as a temporary blip but wont accept the same for the UK.

One more point

dannyboy1978 22 Oct 19 8.51am
We are in such a stronger position now Germany is in recession, Britain needs to grow a pair and just leave. If we stay Germany and the EU will drag us down any way, These remoaning traitors are so selfish

dannyboy1978

22 Oct 19 8.51am

We are in such a stronger position now Germany is in recession, Britain needs to grow a pair and just leave. If we stay Germany and the EU will drag us down any way,
These remoaning traitors are so selfish

Badger11 Beckenham 22 Oct 19 8.52am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 So the minority want a referendum, is that how it now works, the minority get what they want? Yup just ask the couple of thousand Extinction Rebellion protestors they're far more important than the electorate. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 22 Oct 19 8.52am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

So the minority want a referendum, is that how it now works, the minority get what they want?

Yup just ask the couple of thousand Extinction Rebellion protestors they're far more important than the electorate.

One more point

chris123 hove actually 22 Oct 19 8.58am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 So you'll swallow a bit of EU down turn for the greater good but not the UK. Leave voters always new it would be bumpy not as bumpy as the remoaners thought !! Are you German or british? Edited by dannyboy1978 (22 Oct 2019 8.40am) British and staunch leaver, mainly for federal based reasons. Not sure what that has to do with my earlier comment though.

chris123

hove actually 22 Oct 19 8.58am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

So you'll swallow a bit of EU down turn for the greater good but not the UK.
Leave voters always new it would be bumpy not as bumpy as the remoaners thought !!
Are you German or british?

Edited by dannyboy1978 (22 Oct 2019 8.40am)

British and staunch leaver, mainly for federal based reasons. Not sure what that has to do with my earlier comment though.

dannyboy1978 22 Oct 19 9.01am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle What's your point? Of course others have family. I have never suggested or thought otherwise! The only point I have been making is that as the future affects them very much more than it affects us the decision on remaining or leaving ought to be weighted in their interests rather than ours. If you genuinely believe that by leaving they will have a better future then, whilst I disagree with you, I respect that decision. If however you are voting solely on your own preference then I urge you to think of their's too. So your saying somone with life experience who may have voted in the 1970's referendum and has a wider view of life is less likely to vote correctly in the UK'S interest than teens? You want to put the future in the hands of kids just because they arnt 13 any more but 16. It goes against the grain of life, respect your elders for they have knowledge. Why are chairman old and not teens? Why are bank managers old and not teens? Why are surgeons old and not teens. EXPERIENCE. Selfish traitor clutching at straws is all you are , and that is factually correct statement not a slur

dannyboy1978

22 Oct 19 9.01am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What's your point?

Of course others have family. I have never suggested or thought otherwise!

The only point I have been making is that as the future affects them very much more than it affects us the decision on remaining or leaving ought to be weighted in their interests rather than ours.

If you genuinely believe that by leaving they will have a better future then, whilst I disagree with you, I respect that decision. If however you are voting solely on your own preference then I urge you to think of their's too.

So your saying somone with life experience who may have voted in the 1970's referendum and has a wider view of life is less likely to vote correctly in the UK'S interest than teens?
You want to put the future in the hands of kids just because they arnt 13 any more but 16. It goes against the grain of life, respect your elders for they have knowledge. Why are chairman old and not teens?
Why are bank managers old and not teens?
Why are surgeons old and not teens. EXPERIENCE.
Selfish traitor clutching at straws is all you are , and that is factually correct statement not a slur

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 22 Oct 19 9.16am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I won't give you the names of my children and grandchildren! I have two daughters, 3 granddaughters and a grandson. My daughters are 54 and 47, their husbands are 54 and 36. My granddaughters are 27, 21 and 13 and my grandson rising 18. That's enough detail. missed the point wissy, he meant name the countries NOT YOUR BLOODY KIDS..other than you who cares about your kids?

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 22 Oct 19 9.16am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I won't give you the names of my children and grandchildren! I have two daughters, 3 granddaughters and a grandson. My daughters are 54 and 47, their husbands are 54 and 36. My granddaughters are 27, 21 and 13 and my grandson rising 18. That's enough detail.

missed the point wissy, he meant name the countries NOT YOUR BLOODY KIDS..other than you who cares about your kids?

robdave2k 22 Oct 19 9.17am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I won't give you the names of my children and grandchildren! I have two daughters, 3 granddaughters and a grandson. My daughters are 54 and 47, their husbands are 54 and 36. My granddaughters are 27, 21 and 13 and my grandson rising 18. That's enough detail. I’ll bet Christmas is a bundle of laughs in your house judging by your posts on this thread.

robdave2k

22 Oct 19 9.17am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I’ll bet Christmas is a bundle of laughs in your house judging by your posts on this thread.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Oct 19 9.18am
Originally posted by Badger11 I think we are about to see a change of tactics from Remainers. They will no longer vote against the bill but will instead vote for amendments and against the timetable. That way they can say to the electorate we want a deal but... 1. We need more time. Well it was the Remainers and Bercow who have been running the clock down. You want more time do what the rest of the UK does when it has a deadline, work late nights and weekends but I doubt you are proposing that. The Lisbon Treat was passed in 5 days and as much of this bill is the same as May's they only need to focus on the changes. 2. I support the bill I have just a few changes. These are wrecking amendments pure and simple. The treaty has been agreed with the EU and any significant changes would have to go back through that process assuming the EU was willing to listen. It's also dishonest if you don't like the deal then vote against it. I suspect that Boris will lose on the timetable and possibly even on the amendments at which point he will withdraw the bill. Remainers can then blame him and vice versa. Whilst I am annoyed with Parliament and it often seems I am supporting Boris's bill I don't like it and I would prefer a clean Brexit. I just see more fudge and delay. C'mon Macron you hate the Brits put the boot in you know you want to. Edited by Badger11 (22 Oct 2019 8.46am) I have thought for a while that all of this, even negotiating the "deal", was really electioneering window dressing being stage managed by Cummings. Johnson is either the Pantomime villain or the reluctant martyr depending on your point of view. I think the WAB will get it's second reading but cannot decide whether the timetable motion will be approved or not. Would it be tactically better for the opposition for Johnson to withdraw the bill prior to the amendments being debated, or for it to be allowed to proceed and the arguments given the oxygen of publicity, but the debates stalled so that they cannot be concluded by Oct 31st if the amendments fail, or rushed to a conclusion if they succeed? At which point I suspect Johnson would again pull the deal. If they succeeded it would send a strong message to the voters, so that's probably my favourite. Whichever way It now looks pretty sure we will be requiring an extension so we can hold a GE and for a new Parliament to take this forward. Will we get that extension? Looks almost certain to me, as although the EU don't want any more delays too, they don't want a no deal crash out even more. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 22 Oct 19 9.18am

Originally posted by Badger11

I think we are about to see a change of tactics from Remainers.

They will no longer vote against the bill but will instead vote for amendments and against the timetable. That way they can say to the electorate we want a deal but...

1. We need more time.
Well it was the Remainers and Bercow who have been running the clock down. You want more time do what the rest of the UK does when it has a deadline, work late nights and weekends but I doubt you are proposing that.

The Lisbon Treat was passed in 5 days and as much of this bill is the same as May's they only need to focus on the changes.

2. I support the bill I have just a few changes.
These are wrecking amendments pure and simple. The treaty has been agreed with the EU and any significant changes would have to go back through that process assuming the EU was willing to listen. It's also dishonest if you don't like the deal then vote against it.

I suspect that Boris will lose on the timetable and possibly even on the amendments at which point he will withdraw the bill. Remainers can then blame him and vice versa.

Whilst I am annoyed with Parliament and it often seems I am supporting Boris's bill I don't like it and I would prefer a clean Brexit. I just see more fudge and delay.

C'mon Macron you hate the Brits put the boot in you know you want to.

Edited by Badger11 (22 Oct 2019 8.46am)

I have thought for a while that all of this, even negotiating the "deal", was really electioneering window dressing being stage managed by Cummings. Johnson is either the Pantomime villain or the reluctant martyr depending on your point of view.

I think the WAB will get it's second reading but cannot decide whether the timetable motion will be approved or not. Would it be tactically better for the opposition for Johnson to withdraw the bill prior to the amendments being debated, or for it to be allowed to proceed and the arguments given the oxygen of publicity, but the debates stalled so that they cannot be concluded by Oct 31st if the amendments fail, or rushed to a conclusion if they succeed? At which point I suspect Johnson would again pull the deal. If they succeeded it would send a strong message to the voters, so that's probably my favourite.

Whichever way It now looks pretty sure we will be requiring an extension so we can hold a GE and for a new Parliament to take this forward. Will we get that extension? Looks almost certain to me, as although the EU don't want any more delays too, they don't want a no deal crash out even more.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Oct 19 9.22am
Originally posted by the silurian missed the point wissy, he meant name the countries NOT YOUR BLOODY KIDS..other than you who cares about your kids? As the subject was my children and the countries had already been named if that really was the point then it wasn't me who missed it. It was missing. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 22 Oct 19 9.22am

Originally posted by the silurian

missed the point wissy, he meant name the countries NOT YOUR BLOODY KIDS..other than you who cares about your kids?

As the subject was my children and the countries had already been named if that really was the point then it wasn't me who missed it. It was missing.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 22 Oct 19 9.27am
Originally posted by robdave2k I’ll bet Christmas is a bundle of laughs in your house judging by your posts on this thread. Oh we have loads of fun, don't concern yourselves. When we need a good belly laugh we only have to remind each other some of the reasons why people think it's a good idea to leave the EU! Last Christmas we improvised a Two Ronnies sketch with two leavers in a pub doing just that. The opportunities for humour that you all provide is endless. Have you not watched the Mash report? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 22 Oct 19 9.27am

Originally posted by robdave2k

I’ll bet Christmas is a bundle of laughs in your house judging by your posts on this thread.

Oh we have loads of fun, don't concern yourselves.

When we need a good belly laugh we only have to remind each other some of the reasons why people think it's a good idea to leave the EU!

Last Christmas we improvised a Two Ronnies sketch with two leavers in a pub doing just that. The opportunities for humour that you all provide is endless. Have you not watched the Mash report?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

chris123 hove actually 22 Oct 19 9.38am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Oh we have loads of fun, don't concern yourselves. When we need a good belly laugh we only have to remind each other some of the reasons why people think it's a good idea to leave the EU! Last Christmas we improvised a Two Ronnies sketch with two leavers in a pub doing just that. The opportunities for humour that you all provide is endless. Have you not watched the Mash report? Not Sketches by Boz?

chris123

hove actually 22 Oct 19 9.38am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Oh we have loads of fun, don't concern yourselves.

When we need a good belly laugh we only have to remind each other some of the reasons why people think it's a good idea to leave the EU!

Last Christmas we improvised a Two Ronnies sketch with two leavers in a pub doing just that. The opportunities for humour that you all provide is endless. Have you not watched the Mash report?

Not Sketches by Boz?

dannyboy1978 22 Oct 19 9.48am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Oh we have loads of fun, don't concern yourselves. When we need a good belly laugh we only have to remind each other some of the reasons why people think it's a good idea to leave the EU! Last Christmas we improvised a Two Ronnies sketch with two leavers in a pub doing just that. The opportunities for humour that you all provide is endless. Have you not watched the Mash report? There is the problem, you against us, short sighted and vengfull,

dannyboy1978

22 Oct 19 9.48am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Oh we have loads of fun, don't concern yourselves.

When we need a good belly laugh we only have to remind each other some of the reasons why people think it's a good idea to leave the EU!

Last Christmas we improvised a Two Ronnies sketch with two leavers in a pub doing just that. The opportunities for humour that you all provide is endless. Have you not watched the Mash report?

There is the problem, you against us, short sighted and vengfull,

Teddy Eagle 22 Oct 19 9.49am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle What's your point? Of course others have family. I have never suggested or thought otherwise! The only point I have been making is that as the future affects them very much more than it affects us the decision on remaining or leaving ought to be weighted in their interests rather than ours. If you genuinely believe that by leaving they will have a better future then, whilst I disagree with you, I respect that decision. If however you are voting solely on your own preference then I urge you to think of their's too. This is a sound principle. There needs to be a statutory age over which voting rights are discontinued. No one over 70 can vote as they don’t have the same investment in the future. No vote = no opinion. What’s next? Anyone reaching 70 should be turned into Soylent Green to preserve the planets resources and have their assets seized by the state for the greater good. After, of course, being whipped through the streets for being so unspeakably selfish as not to have died the day they stopped working.

Teddy Eagle

22 Oct 19 9.49am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What's your point?

Of course others have family. I have never suggested or thought otherwise!

The only point I have been making is that as the future affects them very much more than it affects us the decision on remaining or leaving ought to be weighted in their interests rather than ours.

This is a sound principle. There needs to be a statutory age over which voting rights are discontinued. No one over 70 can vote as they don’t have the same investment in the future. No vote = no opinion. What’s next? Anyone reaching 70 should be turned into Soylent Green to preserve the planets resources and have their assets seized by the state for the greater good. After, of course, being whipped through the streets for being so unspeakably selfish as not to have died the day they stopped working.

W12 22 Oct 19 9.51am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Have you not watched the Mash report? Like many people I have only watched it once. Clown world.

W12 22 Oct 19 9.51am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Have you not watched the Mash report?

Like many people I have only watched it once.

Clown world.

steeleye20 Croydon 22 Oct 19 10.11am
Farage: PM's Brexit deal 'would turn UK into EU colony' He is quite right, why everybody is stampeding into disaster heaven knows. F****g Ada, actually agreeing with Farage....

steeleye20

Croydon 22 Oct 19 10.11am

Farage: PM's Brexit deal 'would turn UK into EU colony'

He is quite right, why everybody is stampeding into disaster heaven knows.

F****g Ada, actually agreeing with Farage....

W12 22 Oct 19 10.18am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Farage: PM's Brexit deal 'would turn UK into EU colony' He is quite right, why everybody is stampeding into disaster heaven knows. F****g Ada, actually agreeing with Farage.... Which is the same as remaining in the EU

W12 22 Oct 19 10.18am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Farage: PM's Brexit deal 'would turn UK into EU colony'

He is quite right, why everybody is stampeding into disaster heaven knows.

F****g Ada, actually agreeing with Farage....

Which is the same as remaining in the EU

Hrolf The Ganger 22 Oct 19 10.19am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Farage: PM's Brexit deal 'would turn UK into EU colony' He is quite right, why everybody is stampeding into disaster heaven knows. F****g Ada, actually agreeing with Farage.... You are never afraid to look stupid are you Steeleye.

Hrolf The Ganger

22 Oct 19 10.19am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Farage: PM's Brexit deal 'would turn UK into EU colony'

He is quite right, why everybody is stampeding into disaster heaven knows.

F****g Ada, actually agreeing with Farage....

You are never afraid to look stupid are you Steeleye.

Badger11 Beckenham 22 Oct 19 10.29am
Originally posted by chris123 Not Sketches by Boz? I got that. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 22 Oct 19 10.29am

Originally posted by chris123

Not Sketches by Boz?

I got that.

One more point

Badger11 Beckenham 22 Oct 19 10.30am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Farage: PM's Brexit deal 'would turn UK into EU colony' He is quite right, why everybody is stampeding into disaster heaven knows. F****g Ada, actually agreeing with Farage.... I sympathise I keep finding myself defending Boris and his treaty even though I don't want it. We live in interesting times as some one once said. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 22 Oct 19 10.30am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Farage: PM's Brexit deal 'would turn UK into EU colony'

He is quite right, why everybody is stampeding into disaster heaven knows.

F****g Ada, actually agreeing with Farage....

I sympathise I keep finding myself defending Boris and his treaty even though I don't want it.

We live in interesting times as some one once said.

One more point

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 22 Oct 19 10.41am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Farage: PM's Brexit deal 'would turn UK into EU colony' He is quite right, why everybody is stampeding into disaster heaven knows. F****g Ada, actually agreeing with Farage.... The same people who clung onto Farage’s every word prior don’t want to hear it anymore, as it stops them claiming they ‘won’ Brexit now - quite funny really.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 22 Oct 19 10.41am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Farage: PM's Brexit deal 'would turn UK into EU colony'

He is quite right, why everybody is stampeding into disaster heaven knows.

F****g Ada, actually agreeing with Farage....

The same people who clung onto Farage’s every word prior don’t want to hear it anymore, as it stops them claiming they ‘won’ Brexit now - quite funny really.

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