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 Spiderman  Horsham 22 Oct 19 6.12pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
So long as a "no deal" exit has been achieved then I think everyone will agree. Then it gets really interesting. What odds on Corbyn being replaced prior to the start of campaigning? Good chance I would think. IMO Keir Starmer has his eye in the job (refuse to call him Sir)
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cryrst  The garden of England 22 Oct 19 6.16pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am not arguing in any way about voting ages. I am only suggesting that every voter needs to consider the interests of the future generations, in exactly the same way we need to on environmental issues. So at 52 1/2 I cant think of my future.
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| cryrst The garden of England 22 Oct 19 6.25pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
And why I become so enraged about people wishing to dismiss the results of June 23rd. I appreciate I am a broken record on it but the facts speak for themselves. A huge turnout, each vote equally weighted, a simple question and a definite result. 52 beats 48 every time. Why on earth would anybody want to f*** with that? To undermine the validity of what happened on that day? You don't like the result, that I get, tell us that it was advisory only and that Parliament has within its power to ignore it completely, again a valid point. But to want us to effectively re-run it the losing option given a second chance? Utterly undermining the most core principles of the democratic process. Effectively telling 17.4 million voters that your votes were not deemed sufficient despite all the promises and pledges beforehand. Desire Parliament to revoke A50, that I get. I might vehemently disagree but it is within the boundaries of how democracy works in the UK. But another referendum when the first has not been acted upon? Beyond ludicrous. Myopic stupidity to the 'nth degree. People do not have to justify why they vote the way they do. If they tossed a coin, that is perfectly acceptable. Your German friend needs to take a long hard look in the mirror and reflect back on his nation's history. I have been thinking about this peoples vote.
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| YT Oxford 22 Oct 19 6.31pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am not arguing in any way about voting ages. I am only suggesting that every voter needs to consider the interests of the future generations, in exactly the same way we need to on environmental issues. I admire your idealism, but I doubt that it's shared by very many voters.
Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes) |
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Oct 19 6.33pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Good chance I would think. IMO Keir Starmer has his eye in the job (refuse to call him Sir) Always the same expression on his face.Never seen the chap break into any sort of smile. The Labour Party has been taken over by Momentum and Corbyn is one of their own. Edited by Willo (22 Oct 2019 6.35pm)
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| Spiderman Horsham 22 Oct 19 6.42pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Always the same expression on his face.Never seen the chap break into any sort of smile. The Labour Party has been taken over by Momentum and Corbyn is one of their own. Edited by Willo (22 Oct 2019 6.35pm) Willo can you please start commenting on referees again, so I can start to disagree with you again
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| dannyboy1978 22 Oct 19 7.05pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Doesn't seem that everything is rosy in the EU Garden. So much for the forecasts that the sky is going to fall in. Interesting that Osborne, Hammond and Carney haven't made any comments recently Incredible, we have car issues because of brexit, however Germany can blame the world ecconomy!!
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Oct 19 7.46pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Willo can you please start commenting on referees again, so I can start to disagree with you again Darned referees - worse than MPs in the Commons!!!!
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| Spiderman Horsham 22 Oct 19 7.50pm |
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I hear Clattenburg is to be nominated as the new speaker! Well the present incumbent has made it an "all about me" position
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| Matov 22 Oct 19 8.03pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I have been thinking about this peoples vote. Who voted on June 23rd? Monkeys? I get what you are saying but the reality is a second referendum with Remain as an option achieves nothing. The only thing that gets us over the finishing line now is a general election fought on specific Brexit issues. In 2017 both Labour and the Tories agreed to honour it. Labour now longer wish to do so. Let the people decide. But on a positive note after tonight, a majority in the House of Parliament voted for the withdrawal bill. I struggle now to see how there is any going back. Might take a bit longer but we will see one less star on that s***ty flag eventually.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 22 Oct 19 8.25pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Who voted on June 23rd? Monkeys? I get what you are saying but the reality is a second referendum with Remain as an option achieves nothing. The only thing that gets us over the finishing line now is a general election fought on specific Brexit issues. In 2017 both Labour and the Tories agreed to honour it. Labour now longer wish to do so. Let the people decide. But on a positive note after tonight, a majority in the House of Parliament voted for the withdrawal bill. I struggle now to see how there is any going back. Might take a bit longer but we will see one less star on that s***ty flag eventually. The last thing I want is anything approaching this order of magnitude ever going back to the public again. So a flat no for a people’s vote. Good that the WAB has passed. Feel pretty sure that we will now leave with a deal. It’s not great, but it means we leave and ultimately any outcome of this process was always going to be a compromise, everyone will have their bone to pick with it but it’s the best we’re going to get. I hope this goes through without the need for an election as I really can’t be bothered to have an entire campaign fought over Brexit. The next two years + negotiating the trade agreements is going to be bad enough. At least we will be able to get some domestic policy on the agenda, hopefully very soon. Re. monkeys - no. Morons, yes. In their droves. And no, I don’t just mean leavers. I mean everyone. Edited by SW19 CPFC (22 Oct 2019 8.27pm)
Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons. |
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| Midlands Eagle 22 Oct 19 8.28pm |
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Don't you mean that Corbyn ignores the will of the people yet again
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| Hrolf The Ganger 22 Oct 19 8.40pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Parliament claims that they need enough time to debate all of the issues properly yet when I watched an hour of this afternoon's proceedings there couldn't have been more than 100 MPs in the Commons and most of them were either fiddling with their phones or chatting to each other with probably only half a dozen listening to what the speakers were actually saying All the Remainers want is to engineer a second referendum.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 22 Oct 19 9.35pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Johnson screws it up again. Now 10-2 defeats since he took office. A 'pause' as it will clearly not get through. If he had not prorogued parliament twice he would have had more time. The WAB second reading largely meaningless as parliament will not make a final choice until all the legislation is passed. What an incredibly weak argument. If Parliament hadn’t prevaricated for nearly 3 years then there would have been plenty of time to sort this out. Now what makes you think that a delay to proceedings will change the minds of those that clearly want to remain in Europe? Basically, it won’t. The DUP don’t want a hard or soft border so not quite sure what will work for them, the Scots just want a referendum on independence and will do whatever anti-democratic thing they can to achieve it, the Lib Dem’s just want a second referendum as they think they have found a niche market and the Labour Party is a total shambles that isn’t sure whether it wants to be in or out. Politics is broken in this country and most of Europe know it. In fact they went as far as to say so today by admitting they did not think our Parliament is capable of making a decision. So to all those arguing against the timetable, what happens if Brussels says no to an extension? Oh, of course, they won’t, because Europe are skint and desperate to see us stay in the Union, so a delay followed by another delay and another delay is the most likely way of achieving this. Expect this to rumble on for years.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 22 Oct 19 9.49pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
What an incredibly weak argument. If Parliament hadn’t prevaricated for nearly 3 years then there would have been plenty of time to sort this out. Now what makes you think that a delay to proceedings will change the minds of those that clearly want to remain in Europe? Basically, it won’t. The DUP don’t want a hard or soft border so not quite sure what will work for them, the Scots just want a referendum on independence and will do whatever anti-democratic thing they can to achieve it, the Lib Dem’s just want a second referendum as they think they have found a niche market and the Labour Party is a total shambles that isn’t sure whether it wants to be in or out. Politics is broken in this country and most of Europe know it. In fact they went as far as to say so today by admitting they did not think our Parliament is capable of making a decision. So to all those arguing against the timetable, what happens if Brussels says no to an extension? Oh, of course, they won’t, because Europe are skint and desperate to see us stay in the Union, so a delay followed by another delay and another delay is the most likely way of achieving this. Expect this to rumble on for years. What is important is that Remainers cannot add stupid amendments and conditions to the bill.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 22 Oct 19 9.54pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
What is important is that Remainers cannot add stupid amendments and conditions to the bill. Let’s hope so, but I wouldn’t bet against some legal intervention from one or more parties.
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