I think you might be surprised at quite how many recent immigrants we have here. Like many other places we have seen a big inflow from eastern Europe in recent years who are working in many segments of the economy, not least agriculture. What we haven't seen is too much from elsewhere, so they don't look obvious. Indeed until you hear them speaking to each other in social situations you often don't know they are immigrants.

I have no expectation that our need for immigration will decrease because of Brexit, only that the sources will likely be different. That's what I mean by being blindsided. That there will be change but quite possible a change that you won't actually like.

If there was a new referendum and deal won.
Would all the MPs rejecting it now accept it with no argument?
This is something that labour hasnt stated.

I think you might be surprised at quite how many recent immigrants we have here. Like many other places we have seen a big inflow from eastern Europe in recent years who are working in many segments of the economy, not least agriculture. What we haven't seen is too much from elsewhere, so they don't look obvious. Indeed until you hear them speaking to each other in social situations you often don't know they are immigrants.

I have no expectation that our need for immigration will decrease because of Brexit, only that the sources will likely be different. That's what I mean by being blindsided. That there will be change but quite possible a change that you won't actually like.

No, no, no, and no some more.

The first referendum cannot be implemented, because the country was split basically 50/50 and "leave the EU" is a very broad concept with many, many different ways of being achieved.

Country split down the middle = parliament split down the middle. 3 years later and here we are, what a surprise.

The point of a 2nd vote, is to not ask a binary, childlike simplistic, undeliverable, massively broad, umbrella, 10000 ft view question, it is to ask for specific responses to specific ways of leaving the EU. For example with the latest deal, or with no deal.

Now that the details of the latest deal are known.....Now that the details of what "no deal" really means are known........Now that 350 million pound buses are known to be false....Now that lies by the remain campaign are known to be false.......Now is a good time to ask more specific questions which lead to deliverable outcomes.

If you respected the will of the people in 2016, how about seeing if the will of the people has changed, based on new information/debunking of a litany of mistruths (on both sides).

The will of the people counts in 2019 just like it did in 2016.

Every single person backing a second referendum has said the results will be respected BECAUSE THEY WILL BE IMPLEMENTABLE, unlike the previous referendum.

The whole point of a second referendum is to not ask "how long is a piece of string" but ask questions which actually have definitive outcomes.

"Leaving the EU" is not a definitive outcome, it is an umbrella concept with a million different variations.

You can't have no deal. Parliament wont have it. More importantly it would be unfair to split leave vote

Every single person backing a second referendum has said the results will be respected BECAUSE THEY WILL BE IMPLEMENTABLE, unlike the previous referendum.

The whole point of a second referendum is to not ask "how long is a piece of string" but ask questions which actually have definitive outcomes.

"Leaving the EU" is not a definitive outcome, it is an umbrella concept with a million different variations.

yeah ok whatever! Should have gone to SpecSavers!!

I just feel that if an MP is elected as a conservative/labour/liberal and the defect to another party, there should be an immediate by election...after all their constituents didnt vote in a tory, only to be represented by a liberal did they, even if it is the same person...I hope all the defectors lose their jobs at the GE. Ok you want another referendum, but what will change, the MPs will STILL IGNORE the result unless its the result they want..ie REMAIN.....and my opinion, as valid as yours, is that they are lazy self serving lying b******s! That will not change so I will never vote again!

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But you don't vote in a Tory, Labour or Liberal do you? You vote in a person to represent you, not a voting machine centrally operated from party headquarters.

Who would you say was the greatest Parliamentarian? I would suggest that Winston Churchill would top many lists. Churchill changed party not just once, but twice because of his principles. Would you have wanted him to have to stand down?

I don't want another referendum at all. I don't want any more referendums ever again. I want Parliament to decide. If this one can't then we ask a new one to try. Why don't you stand and then see if you can do any better?

Why on earth do you think they are born liars? They are people, some good, some bad.

The man that hit me might be a good guy, I don't know him at all. All I know is that he cannot drive very well and has a foul temper.