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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
I think it is more a combination of the two. Many of the squad are in their twilight years and this season we have been beset by injuries. However, how many years of consolidation do we want at the expense of entertainment? Yes it is important we remain in the PL, but the way Roy has us play, even when there is nothing to play for (like at the end of last season) is becoming really hard to watch. Even if we signed a few high-quality players in the summer I have no confidence that Roy would have us playing better football. I think many people, myself included, just want to enjoy watching Palace again, something which has been gradually disappearing in the last two years. Any entertainment we do get is purely thanks to the individual brilliance of Eze and Zaha by and large. It is not necessarily about playing great football as much as creating chances and having a go It is a really hard decision for the board as Roy is probably one of the few managers left who almost guarantees you PL football each year, but I increasingly myself asking at what cost. I've wrote before saying that he was initially brought in to stable the club after the problems we had with De Bore who also discovered the quality of the squad was no where near anything he hoped leading to the breakdown with the players and that was four years ago! Mr Hodgson was not intended to be the one to bring this exciting football we all want that as I've also said before will fall into the hands of the next manager but only when we are able to afford him and the players he needs to be able to to achieve this, meanwhile our managers job is going to continue getting worse and worse until he can not save us.
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Originally posted by Tickled pink
I've wrote before saying that he was initially brought in to stable the club after the problems we had with De Bore who also discovered the quality of the squad was no where near anything he hoped leading to the breakdown with the players and that was four years ago! Mr Hodgson was not intended to be the one to bring this exciting football we all want that as I've also said before will fall into the hands of the next manager but only when we are able to afford him and the players he needs to be able to to achieve this, meanwhile our managers job is going to continue getting worse and worse until he can not save us. I flip-flop with Roy as the idea of letting him go feels akin to putting your parent in an old folks home. He has been very well paid to keep us stable though, so I think we have to put sentimentality aside. Whether we can attract someone worthwhile to replace him though could well rest on our ability to fund new signings. It might even be possible that the board will look for someone who is willing to try and integrate more youth players into the first team, rather than offering a big transfer kitty (I'm not saying that's feasible, just positing the question). A great deal of uncertainty there is (as Yoda might say).
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the truth hurts does it? Even non-Palace fans are starkly aware of our plight.
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Originally posted by Tickled pink
I've wrote before saying that he was initially brought in to stable the club after the problems we had with De Bore who also discovered the quality of the squad was no where near anything he hoped leading to the breakdown with the players and that was four years ago! Mr Hodgson was not intended to be the one to bring this exciting football we all want that as I've also said before will fall into the hands of the next manager but only when we are able to afford him and the players he needs to be able to to achieve this, meanwhile our managers job is going to continue getting worse and worse until he can not save us. And he’s only on £4.5m a year - it must be terrible for him at the moment
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Originally posted by Willo
Aged squad in the twilight of their careers and many unable to cope with the rigours of PL football any more. this is where mindset comes in and why some leaders are able to come in and make an impact where others don't. I suspect that Hodgson sees things as you do and as such sets a low bar of expectation for himself. Others with a more positive outlook and new methods will see the opportunity in the project to build something great over time.
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Originally posted by dynamicdick
TP, a question please.... what mistakes do you believe Roy has made generally? He has made plenty just like every other manager has, the problem we have though is that with good quality players they are more able to win the ball back hence the same teams always in the top six or seven now, Mr Hodgson has a good understanding of football and that is very obvious, he has the understanding though as of similar managers of his age which is extremely natural, how do you feel Sam Poltergeist is doing at WBA?
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
this is where mindset comes in and why some leaders are able to come in and make an impact where others don't. I suspect that Hodgson sees things as you do and as such sets a low bar of expectation for himself. Others with a more positive outlook and new methods will see the opportunity in the project to build something great over time. Would that not include finance?
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Originally posted by nectoneagle
OK so lets go back to the basics of this thread , Roy out ! If he goes at the end of the season , new manager and hopefully rebuild . Money money money as ABBA wrote.
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Originally posted by spartakev2
I think Roy's biggest problem, is that his first thought (whoever we play) Is how can we stop them, and never how can we hurt them... When we have the ball you can clearly see we try to move forwards, albeit very very slowly.
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Originally posted by Nicholas91
That's incorrect, that is just your opinion, others have differing opinions. There are many, many managers in world football, plenty would have got us relegated this season, or the last, or the one before that but equally there are also some who could get more effective results and performances out of this team. You seem to want to focus solely on the performances of the players/ state of the squad and not the manager's performance when it is not a case or one or another, they are both critical factors. Nobody has ever 'won football', no player, manager, chairman, team etc etc. It makes me laugh when people say 'I know more about football' or 'You clearly don't know anything about football', I dare anyone to define the parameters of what constitutes 'knowing more about football'. You're entitled to your opinion, as are others, doesn't make anything fact. We are not near or in a relegation position, which is basically a miracle with our squad as a whole.
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Originally posted by Croydon-Trucker
Same right back at you Pal . Why get personal my comment was aimed at the short video not you.
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Originally posted by Tickled pink
Would that not include finance? I believe that a new manager would need paying, yes.
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
the truth hurts does it? Even non-Palace fans are starkly aware of our plight. Non-Palace fans wouldn't know what a lot of Palace fans have had watch over the years. Eight continual years of Premier League football, even now, is light years ahead of that. But the plastics wouldn't know that. It's not the truth that hurts but the continual bitching and moaning and denigrating our club is a different matter especially from our own so called fans.
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Originally posted by PZ Eagle
Why get personal my comment was aimed at the short video not you. Oops .
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
this is where mindset comes in and why some leaders are able to come in and make an impact where others don't. I suspect that Hodgson sees things as you do and as such sets a low bar of expectation for himself. Others with a more positive outlook and new methods will see the opportunity in the project to build something great over time.
Edited by doombear (10 Feb 2021 4.13pm) Edited by doombear (10 Feb 2021 6.17pm)
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Originally posted by doombear
Edited by doombear (10 Feb 2021 4.13pm) For a club our size we really do need to start producing or buying more players with the potential to turn us a tidy profit. I imagine the AWB money is the only reason we have Eze, who at the moment looks like a fantastic acquisition. The signings of Ferguson and Mateta also point in the right direction, while Mitchell is getting games under his belt. What I would love to know is how much say Roy has in the club's signings. He seems to put a lot of distance between himself and the decision to sign players, which if it is the case could be an issue for any new manager. Also, if it is Dougie & Co taking the decisions then are they buying players to fit a certain style, and if so perhaps that would point to the type of manager we will eventually look for. Whatever anyone thinks of Roy staying on as manager, at 73 he is not the long-term option.
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Originally posted by Willo
Aged squad in the twilight of their careers and many unable to cope with the rigours of PL football any more. Every time someone mentions our aging squad, I wait for your comment . You never disappoint. Why not just cut and paste.
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Originally posted by Tickled pink
When we have the ball you can clearly see we try to move forwards, albeit very very slowly. Moving that slowly is never going to hurt anyone.
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Originally posted by spartakev2
Every time someone mentions our aging squad, I wait for your comment . You never disappoint. Why not just cut and paste. I readily admit that I have been expressing concern about our aged squad for some time and can rightly be accused of great bouts of "Tautology". Edited by Willo (10 Feb 2021 4.47pm)
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