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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 10 Feb 21 2.04pm

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

I think it is more a combination of the two. Many of the squad are in their twilight years and this season we have been beset by injuries. However, how many years of consolidation do we want at the expense of entertainment? Yes it is important we remain in the PL, but the way Roy has us play, even when there is nothing to play for (like at the end of last season) is becoming really hard to watch. Even if we signed a few high-quality players in the summer I have no confidence that Roy would have us playing better football.

I think many people, myself included, just want to enjoy watching Palace again, something which has been gradually disappearing in the last two years. Any entertainment we do get is purely thanks to the individual brilliance of Eze and Zaha by and large. It is not necessarily about playing great football as much as creating chances and having a go

It is a really hard decision for the board as Roy is probably one of the few managers left who almost guarantees you PL football each year, but I increasingly myself asking at what cost.

I've wrote before saying that he was initially brought in to stable the club after the problems we had with De Bore who also discovered the quality of the squad was no where near anything he hoped leading to the breakdown with the players and that was four years ago! Mr Hodgson was not intended to be the one to bring this exciting football we all want that as I've also said before will fall into the hands of the next manager but only when we are able to afford him and the players he needs to be able to to achieve this, meanwhile our managers job is going to continue getting worse and worse until he can not save us.
I feel very sad for him.

 

taylors lovechild Flag 10 Feb 21 2.14pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

I've wrote before saying that he was initially brought in to stable the club after the problems we had with De Bore who also discovered the quality of the squad was no where near anything he hoped leading to the breakdown with the players and that was four years ago! Mr Hodgson was not intended to be the one to bring this exciting football we all want that as I've also said before will fall into the hands of the next manager but only when we are able to afford him and the players he needs to be able to to achieve this, meanwhile our managers job is going to continue getting worse and worse until he can not save us.
I feel very sad for him.

I flip-flop with Roy as the idea of letting him go feels akin to putting your parent in an old folks home. He has been very well paid to keep us stable though, so I think we have to put sentimentality aside. Whether we can attract someone worthwhile to replace him though could well rest on our ability to fund new signings. It might even be possible that the board will look for someone who is willing to try and integrate more youth players into the first team, rather than offering a big transfer kitty (I'm not saying that's feasible, just positing the question).

A great deal of uncertainty there is (as Yoda might say).

 

Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 10 Feb 21 2.36pm

Originally posted by PZ Eagle

Bovine Excrement!!


the truth hurts does it? Even non-Palace fans are starkly aware of our plight.

 

Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 10 Feb 21 2.37pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

I've wrote before saying that he was initially brought in to stable the club after the problems we had with De Bore who also discovered the quality of the squad was no where near anything he hoped leading to the breakdown with the players and that was four years ago! Mr Hodgson was not intended to be the one to bring this exciting football we all want that as I've also said before will fall into the hands of the next manager but only when we are able to afford him and the players he needs to be able to to achieve this, meanwhile our managers job is going to continue getting worse and worse until he can not save us.
I feel very sad for him.

And he’s only on £4.5m a year - it must be terrible for him at the moment

 

Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 10 Feb 21 2.42pm

Originally posted by Willo

Aged squad in the twilight of their careers and many unable to cope with the rigours of PL football any more.
No Sell-on value and without any injection of significant monies for younger,more energetic players the prospects of survival in the PL are not encouraging.
Not a good selling point to try and attract an alternative to Mr Hodgson.

this is where mindset comes in and why some leaders are able to come in and make an impact where others don't. I suspect that Hodgson sees things as you do and as such sets a low bar of expectation for himself. Others with a more positive outlook and new methods will see the opportunity in the project to build something great over time.

 

Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 10 Feb 21 2.47pm

Originally posted by dynamicdick

TP, a question please.... what mistakes do you believe Roy has made generally?

He has made plenty just like every other manager has, the problem we have though is that with good quality players they are more able to win the ball back hence the same teams always in the top six or seven now, Mr Hodgson has a good understanding of football and that is very obvious, he has the understanding though as of similar managers of his age which is extremely natural, how do you feel Sam Poltergeist is doing at WBA?
I wish Mr Hodgson would make subs sometimes sooner and wish he'd pick different players for some of our games just like everyone else too, but then I think about the players in our squad and realise that his hands are pretty much tied up with the quality needed to make an impact which is what subs are for.
I've been rude to people before and I apologise to everyone I've upset with my views, I must remain fair but I find it very difficult especially when fans just come on and say he must go now with absolutely no thought about the finances involved and with us sitting safe in the league.
If we were in the position of Sheff. U then I would be very concerned, if our club though continue on the road we are now then sooner rather then later we will be in the same mess as Sheff.United (although their situation is rather puzzling)

 

Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 10 Feb 21 2.50pm

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

this is where mindset comes in and why some leaders are able to come in and make an impact where others don't. I suspect that Hodgson sees things as you do and as such sets a low bar of expectation for himself. Others with a more positive outlook and new methods will see the opportunity in the project to build something great over time.

Would that not include finance?

 

Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 10 Feb 21 2.52pm

Originally posted by nectoneagle

OK so lets go back to the basics of this thread , Roy out ! If he goes at the end of the season , new manager and hopefully rebuild .
Some of you say no keep for another year , then he goes and rebuild or do we trust him to the rebuild this summer!
He will go at sometime and I personally feel with the team as it is now a new manager is needed as soon as we are safe from relegation and begin to sort out the team for next season.
I hope Roy does not hang on and force the issue of his leaving and stands aside with grace and dignity and the thanks from us all for the work his has does over the last few years.

Money money money as ABBA wrote.

 

Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 10 Feb 21 2.56pm

Originally posted by spartakev2

I think Roy's biggest problem, is that his first thought (whoever we play) Is how can we stop them, and never how can we hurt them...

When we have the ball you can clearly see we try to move forwards, albeit very very slowly.

 

Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 10 Feb 21 2.59pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

That's incorrect, that is just your opinion, others have differing opinions.

There are many, many managers in world football, plenty would have got us relegated this season, or the last, or the one before that but equally there are also some who could get more effective results and performances out of this team.

You seem to want to focus solely on the performances of the players/ state of the squad and not the manager's performance when it is not a case or one or another, they are both critical factors.

Nobody has ever 'won football', no player, manager, chairman, team etc etc. It makes me laugh when people say 'I know more about football' or 'You clearly don't know anything about football', I dare anyone to define the parameters of what constitutes 'knowing more about football'.

You're entitled to your opinion, as are others, doesn't make anything fact.

We are not near or in a relegation position, which is basically a miracle with our squad as a whole.

 

PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 10 Feb 21 3.23pm

Originally posted by Croydon-Trucker

Same right back at you Pal .

Why get personal my comment was aimed at the short video not you.

 


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Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 10 Feb 21 3.27pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Would that not include finance?

I believe that a new manager would need paying, yes.

 

PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 10 Feb 21 3.38pm

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

the truth hurts does it? Even non-Palace fans are starkly aware of our plight.

Non-Palace fans wouldn't know what a lot of Palace fans have had watch over the years. Eight continual years of Premier League football, even now, is light years ahead of that. But the plastics wouldn't know that. It's not the truth that hurts but the continual bitching and moaning and denigrating our club is a different matter especially from our own so called fans.

 


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Croydon-Trucker Flag 10 Feb 21 3.42pm

Originally posted by PZ Eagle

Why get personal my comment was aimed at the short video not you.

Oops . Sorry my mistake .

 

doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 10 Feb 21 4.04pm

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

this is where mindset comes in and why some leaders are able to come in and make an impact where others don't. I suspect that Hodgson sees things as you do and as such sets a low bar of expectation for himself. Others with a more positive outlook and new methods will see the opportunity in the project to build something great over time.


With what will they build? I would like to know who you think would come and work with the squad we have and the Academy in its infancy. I'm not saying Hodgson should stay, only that whoever the manager is next year, he isn't going to have much more than Hodgson currently has with which to work. Progress will be slow. For me it's a question of whether we can survive long enough for our Academy to produce players who will either make a difference for us or who can be sold for a decent price once they've proved their quality, to help our rebuild.

Edited by doombear (10 Feb 2021 4.13pm)

Edited by doombear (10 Feb 2021 6.17pm)

 

radicalsteve Flag ottawa 10 Feb 21 4.28pm

Rebuilding the squad is a given strategic priority, required because a) too many contracts ending at the same time and b) the squad is old and tired. The first issue is frankly poor governance at the board level, its not as if it wasn't obvious and it is miss-management of the highest order. Nothing to do with Roy.

Secondly, I can't see how we are going to attract decent talent to come to Selhurst Park and play for us, based on our current style, if that talent has other suitors. Having said that we did land Eze, but repeating that success is going to challenge Dougie and crew. Some of that is down to Roy & Ray. If Wilf leaves, we become even less attractive for a decent player to come and hone his craft

One of the reasons we have such a high wage bill is because we have to overpay the likes of Big Ben and Mama to get them here in the first place. I'm sure that none of this is lost on Parish, but bringing in young talent will require a more exciting approach on the field, otherwise we will get the leftovers at a high cost all over again!

 

taylors lovechild Flag 10 Feb 21 4.32pm

Originally posted by doombear


With what will they build? I would like to know who you think would come and work with the squad we have and the Academy in its infancy. I'm not saying Hodgson should stay, only that whoever the manager is next year, he isn't going to have much more than Hodgson currently has with which to work. Progress will be slow. For me it's a question of whether we can survive long enough for our Academy produce players who will either make a difference for us or who can be sold for a decent price once they've proved their quality, to help our rebuild.

Edited by doombear (10 Feb 2021 4.13pm)

For a club our size we really do need to start producing or buying more players with the potential to turn us a tidy profit. I imagine the AWB money is the only reason we have Eze, who at the moment looks like a fantastic acquisition. The signings of Ferguson and Mateta also point in the right direction, while Mitchell is getting games under his belt.

What I would love to know is how much say Roy has in the club's signings. He seems to put a lot of distance between himself and the decision to sign players, which if it is the case could be an issue for any new manager. Also, if it is Dougie & Co taking the decisions then are they buying players to fit a certain style, and if so perhaps that would point to the type of manager we will eventually look for.

Whatever anyone thinks of Roy staying on as manager, at 73 he is not the long-term option.

 

spartakev2 Flag Anerley 10 Feb 21 4.36pm

Originally posted by Willo

Aged squad in the twilight of their careers and many unable to cope with the rigours of PL football any more.
No Sell-on value and without any injection of significant monies for younger,more energetic players the prospects of survival in the PL are not encouraging.
Not a good selling point to try and attract an alternative to Mr Hodgson.

Every time someone mentions our aging squad, I wait for your comment . You never disappoint. Why not just cut and paste.

 

spartakev2 Flag Anerley 10 Feb 21 4.43pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

When we have the ball you can clearly see we try to move forwards, albeit very very slowly.

Moving that slowly is never going to hurt anyone.
The one exception to my comment was against wolves when he moved eze to no.10 and put wilf wide. It gave us more attacking threat through the middle and an extra man in centre midfield. Worked well, team looked much more balanced, played some good football and won. Has he played that system again since? No, back to 442 with no penetration through the middle and overrun in midfield.....

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 10 Feb 21 4.44pm

Originally posted by spartakev2

Every time someone mentions our aging squad, I wait for your comment . You never disappoint. Why not just cut and paste.

I readily admit that I have been expressing concern about our aged squad for some time and can rightly be accused of great bouts of "Tautology".
Outside HOL, some chap mentioned that on this subject I was akin to a "Gramophone record stuck in the groove".
I do believe that my fears have come to pass as witnessed by our recent performances.

Edited by Willo (10 Feb 2021 4.47pm)

 

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