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CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE Flag bloomfield 11 Feb 21 6.10pm

Easy for RH to blame his results on not having better players. What does his Liverpool and England experiences tell us about his capabilities?

Originally posted by Putitout

Hodgson , clearly said at the end of his first season in charge that if the club wanted to progress they would need to improve the playing staff. They haven’t and the progress is hard to see. It would seem he doesn’t get what he really needs or what he thinks the club needs.
Maybe Hodgson in his last years of management has been to loyal. After all this is almost certainly his last management job. And his boyhood club at that.
And quiet honestly to reliant on the effect Wilf, has on our results. But then again you work with what you have, and what we have are limited when Wilf isnt there.
Hodgson supplies the tactics, its players that fail to sometimes do the basics well on the pitch.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Feb 21 6.32pm

Originally posted by CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE

Easy for RH to blame his results on not having better players. What does his Liverpool and England experiences tell us about his capabilities?


I am not aware that he has blamed his players for not achieving the desired results.Be interested to see his comments on this matter.

Apropos Liverpool, he did get them to the knock-out stages of the Europa League not losing a game on the way.He was only in charge of 20 PL games for the club but Liverpool lost 4 of his last 6 PL games in charge.
He did take over a Liverpool team which finished 23 pts behind champions Chelsea the previous season, having finished runners-up the season before that.

England only lost 8 games under him in his 4 years in charge but his time at the helm is remembered for the record in tournaments.

Edited by Willo (11 Feb 2021 6.36pm)

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 11 Feb 21 6.33pm

Originally posted by CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE

Easy for RH to blame his results on not having better players. What does his Liverpool and England experiences tell us about his capabilities?


The answer is nothing.

You can't compare those jobs with the one at Palace

 


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Putitout Flag Oxford 11 Feb 21 6.46pm

Originally posted by CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE

Easy for RH to blame his results on not having better players. What does his Liverpool and England experiences tell us about his capabilities?



I think it tells us that Hodgson, probably wasn’t the best manager in history.
I don’t think anyone is saying or thinks Hodgson, is , or was the best manager in the world.
But his career has not been all bad either. Taking Fulham, to a major European final was a great achievement, and leaving them as a solid Premier side, giving West Brom, their best seasons for some times . And his record all around Europe, has mainly been considered successful.
I would see him moving over now, but only because he has probably done all he can with this lot. Let someone else see what they can do.
But if you look at ,Fulham, W B, neither improved after he left them, and they are completely comparable to us, other than to say he possibly got a little more out of both of them.


 

Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 11 Feb 21 7.05pm

Originally posted by Putitout


I think it tells us that Hodgson, probably wasn’t the best manager in history.
I don’t think anyone is saying or thinks Hodgson, is , or was the best manager in the world.
But his career has not been all bad either. Taking Fulham, to a major European final was a great achievement, and leaving them as a solid Premier side, giving West Brom, their best seasons for some times . And his record all around Europe, has mainly been considered successful.
I would see him moving over now, but only because he has probably done all he can with this lot. Let someone else see what they can do.
But if you look at ,Fulham, W B, neither improved after he left them, and they are completely comparable to us, other than to say he possibly got a little more out of both of them.


Great post. A very fair assessment IMO.

 

Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 11 Feb 21 7.23pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

Is it the role of fans to be able to provide a viable alternative manager before venturing an opinion as to whether Hodgson should stand down at the end of the season?
This is clearly absurd.
How many of us are directly involved in the industry, have contacts with the agents/representatives of managers or any awareness at all of the managerial market?
Were Leicester fans wrong to look for a managerial change when Puel was in charge because they didn’t know who might be able to replace him? Look at them now - playing attractive football and showing real signs of improvement.
Taking into account Hodgson’s age, I’m sure Parish will be aware of the managerial market and viable options.
And I’ve no doubt there would be plenty of candidates.
As others have pointed out there’s a healthy salary on offer and the nucleus of a decent squad, albeit one that will need refreshment; as Parish has acknowledged and started to implement.

I get the impression from this board, the BBS poll and social meeja that there is a ground swell that want him gone now rather than the end of the season. So the natural question is who to replace him with.

If results slide so badly that relegation becomes a real risk then you'd expect the Board to change things and put the brakes on. However, I would reckon that any decent replacement that they'd want long term will already be in a job but potentially available in the summer.

 

Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 11 Feb 21 7.38pm

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

I get the impression from this board, the BBS poll and social meeja that there is a ground swell that want him gone now rather than the end of the season. So the natural question is who to replace him with.

If results slide so badly that relegation becomes a real risk then you'd expect the Board to change things and put the brakes on. However, I would reckon that any decent replacement that they'd want long term will already be in a job but potentially available in the summer.

We need about six to seven more points in order to be OK this season mainly because although fantastic on the eye for their passing and movement Fulham really are too feeble in attack to really get themselves out of the mess they're in, they need to start winning now and then win every other game in order to achieve 39 points, they are not going to be able to catch us if we have 35/36 points, more to do with the teams below us, if we continue though as we are for next season then we are really really asking for trouble but having said that hopefully next season the virus will be under reasonable control and the season should go along as normally planned resulting in our players having the correct amount of time to recover due to their age.

 

Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 11 Feb 21 7.54pm

Originally posted by CT GUY-BIGBALD EAGLE

Easy for RH to blame his results on not having better players. What does his Liverpool and England experiences tell us about his capabilities?


Liverpool were struggling at the time especially with their American owners and Roy wasn't allowed much time because they require instant returns even if behind the scenes they were having problems, I read somewhere that even one of their older big stars said as much and that Roy was treated unfairly I can find this if you don't believe me, but in hindsight Roy was probably not the right person for them and with the England job he definitely got short changed from his players in that Iceland game, too many just didn't turn up for it and Kane wanted to do the corners because he was the best at it before you mention that crap about him doing them lol, the players failure was also mentioned in the papers at the time and I can also find that if you so desire.

 

Plaistow Eagle Flag 11 Feb 21 8.15pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Liverpool were struggling at the time especially with their American owners and Roy wasn't allowed much time because they require instant returns even if behind the scenes they were having problems, I read somewhere that even one of their older big stars said as much and that Roy was treated unfairly I can find this if you don't believe me, but in hindsight Roy was probably not the right person for them and with the England job he definitely got short changed from his players in that Iceland game, too many just didn't turn up for it and Kane wanted to do the corners because he was the best at it before you mention that crap about him doing them lol, the players failure was also mentioned in the papers at the time and I can also find that if you so desire.

So in your opinion 23 year old (at the time) Kane said to Roy I'm taking the corners because I'm best it and Roy had no input into it - are you for real..!!

Even if that was remotely true, what would that say about Roy as an England Manager or Manager at any level in that scenario.

Jeez..!!

COYP

 

Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 11 Feb 21 8.49pm

Loving how Barnsley are sticking it to Chelsea. Great pressing game. Viva Israel.

 


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Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 11 Feb 21 8.59pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

In short, that appears to be true whether you are watching it live and having to experience the dross we play, or utilising facts to justify it.

I think it is only 2 in 21 we have won without Zaha and hardly scored a goal in the process? That is a damning statistic for sure.

Since the beginning of 2014-15 when Zaha re-joined us from Man.U we've lost 89.4% of games without him ..are you suggesting the same for all the managers we've had since? lol, Spurs struggle without Kane although not as obvious as Zaha with us it is noticeable, I feel you've just jumped on this without thinking it out because having a really top class player amongst a group of just good players is always going to play out the same way it has with us, when Mr Hodgson took over the England job the squads average age was like we are now over 30 and he along with Ray Lewington and Gary Neville rebuilt the whole team to an age of 23/24 ..no one knows that or wants to mention it lol and what has our manager been doing recently with us ..oh he's brought in Ferguson, Eze, Mateta, Mitchel and Riedewald, but it's much more fun to find things to have a go at our manager about isn't it.

 

dynamicdick Flag Dormansland 11 Feb 21 9.14pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Would that not include finance?

Maybe but it would include motivation, setting the bar a damn sight higher and getting the absolute best out of the players under his management. It’s about more than survival.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 11 Feb 21 9.35pm

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

Loving how Barnsley are sticking it to Chelsea. Great pressing game. Viva Israel.

Just talking about this. Has good managerial experience and meets Parish’s Palace connection criteria. One to look out for

 

Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 11 Feb 21 9.37pm

Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle

So in your opinion 23 year old (at the time) Kane said to Roy I'm taking the corners because I'm best it and Roy had no input into it - are you for real..!!

Even if that was remotely true, what would that say about Roy as an England Manager or Manager at any level in that scenario.

Jeez..!!

COYP

Kane was head and shoulders above anyone else at the time with basically kicking the ball at distance anywhere, at the time of the loss Gary Neville said the decision was happily decided between everyone because everyone decided we had enough good players in the box to cause them enough problems especially with excellent balls in ..and you haven't got to do the Jeez..!! for the benefit of others reading.

 

Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 11 Feb 21 9.39pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Just talking about this. Has good managerial experience and meets Parish’s Palace connection criteria. One to look out for

Most certainly.

 

Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 11 Feb 21 9.43pm

Originally posted by dynamicdick

Maybe but it would include motivation, setting the bar a damn sight higher and getting the absolute best out of the players under his management. It’s about more than survival.

He was brought in to steady the ship only, this he had achieved with brass knobs on, it is not his fault that the club has failed to attract the correct applicants to take over and achieve what you and I and everyone else wants.

 

dynamicdick Flag Dormansland 11 Feb 21 9.44pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Since the beginning of 2014-15 when Zaha re-joined us from Man.U we've lost 89.4% of games without him ..are you suggesting the same for all the managers we've had since? lol, Spurs struggle without Kane although not as obvious as Zaha with us it is noticeable, I feel you've just jumped on this without thinking it out because having a really top class player amongst a group of just good players is always going to play out the same way it has with us, when Mr Hodgson took over the England job the squads average age was like we are now over 30 and he along with Ray Lewington and Gary Neville rebuilt the whole team to an age of 23/24 ..no one knows that or wants to mention it lol and what has our manager been doing recently with us ..oh he's brought in Ferguson, Eze, Mateta, Mitchel and Riedewald, but it's much more fun to find things to have a go at our manager about isn't it.

Roy resigned the England job immediately after one of if not the worst displays in our history and having failed to qualify for the knock out stages of the tournament. So even with this revamped team he failed as a manager big time or was it all the players fault?

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 11 Feb 21 9.48pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

He was brought in to steady the ship only, this he had achieved with brass knobs on, it is not his fault that the club has failed to attract the correct applicants to take over and achieve what you and I and everyone else wants.

Agree and why is that? Any proven manager wants money to spend and a Chairman who does interfere

 

Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 11 Feb 21 9.48pm

Who actually gives a fvck. I was over it about five minutes after the game.

 

dynamicdick Flag Dormansland 11 Feb 21 9.54pm

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Liverpool were struggling at the time especially with their American owners and Roy wasn't allowed much time because they require instant returns even if behind the scenes they were having problems, I read somewhere that even one of their older big stars said as much and that Roy was treated unfairly I can find this if you don't believe me, but in hindsight Roy was probably not the right person for them and with the England job he definitely got short changed from his players in that Iceland game, too many just didn't turn up for it and Kane wanted to do the corners because he was the best at it before you mention that crap about him doing them lol, the players failure was also mentioned in the papers at the time and I can also find that if you so desire.

Always the players fault TP, never Roy. The buck stops with the manager, always has done and always will.

 


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