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Stirlingsays Flag 03 Jun 22 10.57pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

But tell the donald that, heading the gun lobby conference, Smokin Joes trying to do something at least, the don didnt do anything-one life saved is better than it lost!Youre not one of those who has to criticise everything your oppo side do are you Teddy?

Yeah, because you don't do that about the conservatives do you Croydon?

Stones and greenhouses and all that.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 03 Jun 22 11.36pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The guy who wanted the unvaccinated to be punished thinks Carlson is 'nasty'.

Yeah yeah Coltrane.

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If you think an analogy between Carlson and someone who believes that those who decided to protect themselves, and to assist in overcoming a pandemic, by being vaccinated have the right not to share the same spaces as those who refused to co-operate, is valid, then you must live on another planet.

Carlson is a rating seeking pot stirrer, chasing themes popular with a particular audience. If he were a responsible journalist, he would take the opportunity to recommend sensible, easily attainable first steps to bring about a mood which begins to see the scourge of widespread availability of military as the real problem.

The second is a simple statement of freedoms, which you bang on about endlessly. However, it seems freedoms only apply to those whose actions you approve of. I had no problem with people deciding not to be vaccinated. That's their choice, but choices bring consequences. If the majority of the vaccinated decide not to mix with the unvaccinated, that's their choice. Unfortunately, our government bottled it, unlike some, and failed to act.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Jun 22 11.10am

The net is slowly but surely closing around the aftermath of the disastrous Trump presidency. Whether Trump himself will be scooped up in this trawl remains unanswered, but if he isn't, he will increasingly be swimming on his own in a big ocean where there are others hunting him down.

The House investigation into the Capitol riot begins it's televised hearings next week. Steve Bannon has already been charged with contempt for refusing to testify, and now a second Trump aide, Peter Navarro has been:-

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The scheme they were seeking to execute, code named "The Green Bay Sweep", is described here:-

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 04 Jun 22 1.02pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The net is slowly but surely closing around the aftermath of the disastrous Trump presidency. Whether Trump himself will be scooped up in this trawl remains unanswered, but if he isn't, he will increasingly be swimming on his own in a big ocean where there are others hunting him down.

The House investigation into the Capitol riot begins it's televised hearings next week. Steve Bannon has already been charged with contempt for refusing to testify, and now a second Trump aide, Peter Navarro has been:-

[Link]

The scheme they were seeking to execute, code named "The Green Bay Sweep", is described here:-

[Link]

It has been pointed out that a former Obama Attorney General refused to attend a congressional hearing and was not prosecuted

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One more point

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 04 Jun 22 1.41pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

No, I'm not American. Why should I have a "side"?
He's not doing anything. This is just a cop-out. Anyone set on turning an automatic rifle on other people is unlikely to be concerned about the legality of acquiring it.
How about the half a million assault rifles left in Afghanistan? He wasn't too bothered about them unless he's going to claim he kept them off the streets of America.

I"m not in Afghanistan, why should i be worried about that?At least he is keeping them off the streets of America then, and thats his job, whats not to like?

 

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 04 Jun 22 1.43pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah, because you don't do that about the conservatives do you Croydon?

Stones and greenhouses and all that.

All hypocrites stirling on here, haven"t seen you praise anyone not right wing ever!

 

BlueJay Flag UK 04 Jun 22 1.59pm

Logically the Republicans will do well in the midterms (as often happens with the party out of power) and so the tone will shift due to that.

One of the more disappointing aspect of modern America's ultra partisan politics in my view is the complete obsession with social divides used to shore up votes. More than ever it promotes very short term thinking and gridlock rather than meaningful national projects or ambitious long term goals that benefit all, rather than this clan or that.

As stated before though, clearly keeping voters at each others necks while picking their pockets, is a very successful way of distracting the fact that they all have common cause economically. It's a contrived class based dynamic and distraction technique. Maybe the closest people ever got to seeing that was Occupy Wall Street, and why and how it was soon snuffed out.

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Anyone tilting towards the extremes with all-in or line treading political takes should consider how they're being played.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 04 Jun 22 2.00pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

All hypocrites stirling on here, haven"t seen you praise anyone not right wing ever!

You won't see me praising the conservative party though.

But I'm not going to praise an even worse bunch.

They are all totally useless and a load of neurotic feminizised low grade over paid t0ssers.

You just have it in for one side.

 


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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 04 Jun 22 2.10pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You won't see me praising the conservative party though.

But I'm not going to praise an even worse bunch.

They are all totally useless and a load of neurotic feminizised low grade over paid t0ssers.

You just have it in for one side.

You won"t praise the CONservatives because they aren"t right wing enough for you, it is one thing we have in common, but you don"t see me praising sir keir- the only reason I would vote for him is to get shot of the CONS- and all the thieving that goes with them ,but like I said, we have something in common!

 

BlueJay Flag UK 04 Jun 22 3.17pm

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"A 12-year-old boy accused of robbing a gas station clerk at gunpoint was charged with multiple felonies in Van Buren County Family Court Thursday. The boy fire a warning shot before he robbed the Marathon Gas station on East Main Street in Hartford Wednesday around 3:30 p.m., according to the store's surveillance video. The Hartford Middle School student faces six charges, including armed robbery, assault with a dangerous weapon, discharge of a firearm in a building and three counts of felony firearm."

What a great way to f*** your future up. Whether gang violence, school shooting or 'I want that', guns seem to be the answer to every question Stateside.

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 04 Jun 22 3.52pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

You won"t praise the CONservatives because they aren"t right wing enough for you, it is one thing we have in common, but you don"t see me praising sir keir- the only reason I would vote for him is to get shot of the CONS- and all the thieving that goes with them ,but like I said, we have something in common!

So the manifesto wouldn’t be even a wee bit persuading.
Strange idea to vote for anyone but ……
Purely because of Uber !

 

Matov Flag 04 Jun 22 4.14pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

Maybe the closest people ever got to seeing that was Occupy Wall Street, and why and how it was soon snuffed out

An interesting article, none of which is beyond belief, but I have heard a theory that takes it all one stage further. The issue with the 'Occupy Wall Street' movement was that it was a rare case of the activist class actually being in full synergy with what would be described as populist sentiment given what had happened in 2008 and the fallout. It did represent what the Establishment actually fears the most. And hence the actions taken in the article. But it also went further because the anger was still there, smouldering away.

So the up and coming activist class following on were misdirected. Towards issues such as climate and then gender. Putting them, once again, in direct opposition to the populist mob who quite like driving their cars and refusing to accept that a woman can have p****. Leaving the people at the top, all safe and sound.

 


"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

BlueJay Flag UK 04 Jun 22 4.32pm

Originally posted by Matov

An interesting article, none of which is beyond belief, but I have heard a theory that takes it all one stage further. The issue with the 'Occupy Wall Street' movement was that it was a rare case of the activist class actually being in full synergy with what would be described as populist sentiment given what had happened in 2008 and the fallout. It did represent what the Establishment actually fears the most. And hence the actions taken in the article. But it also went further because the anger was still there, smouldering away.

Exactly. It embodied their worst nightmare I believe. A coming together with sane common cause. No wonder if was snuffed out and the focus shifted.

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So the up and coming activist class following on were misdirected. Towards issues such as climate and then gender. Putting them, once again, in direct opposition to the populist mob who quite like driving their cars and refusing to accept that a woman can have p****. Leaving the people at the top, all safe and sound.


Sounds about right. Though on the climate front, I do feel that there are vested interests on all fronts that have wedded us to archiac options that we now see the down side of. I wonder whether types like Greta Thunberg and those gluing their b0llocks to anything going are in part partially funded somewhere down the line by those who like these types being the face of a movement, due of the damage they do to it rather than genuine support of them. As in better to have them and their headline as the face of a movement rather than wider points of agreement on the topic.

But I digress, as you say every seed plants likely is centred around 'leaving the people at the top, all safe and sound'. Conjured and contrived distractions.


Edited by BlueJay (04 Jun 2022 4.41pm)

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 04 Jun 22 4.59pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

I"m not in Afghanistan, why should i be worried about that?At least he is keeping them off the streets of America then, and thats his job, whats not to like?

Right. So the longest war in America's history was a ruse to get guns off the streets. The fact those guns were gifted to the regime the war was supposed to defeat was an unfortunate side effect.

 

Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Jun 22 7.01pm

Originally posted by Badger11

It has been pointed out that a former Obama Attorney General refused to attend a congressional hearing and was not prosecuted

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I know and realise that will be the "defence" position during their trials. Totally different circumstances, though, so that won't stop them going to jail or the hearings continuing. Enquiring into an attempt to overturn democracy and install your preferred candidate is serious stuff.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 04 Jun 22 7.22pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I know and realise that will be the "defence" position during their trials. Totally different circumstances, though, so that won't stop them going to jail or the hearings continuing. Enquiring into an attempt to overturn democracy and install your preferred candidate is serious stuff.

But the same defence "Executive Privilege"

 


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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 04 Jun 22 7.58pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Right. So the longest war in America's history was a ruse to get guns off the streets. The fact those guns were gifted to the regime the war was supposed to defeat was an unfortunate side effect.

If you say so Teddy

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 04 Jun 22 8.16pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

If you say so Teddy

I'd say it was quite unfortunate, yes.

 

Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 04 Jun 22 9.55pm

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Some interesting statistics.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 04 Jun 22 10.06pm

Originally posted by Badger11

But the same defence "Executive Privilege"

I realise what the defence will be.

In the previous circumstances, if I understand things correctly, the FBI decided not to prosecute as the consequences did not demand it, just apparently they have with a couple of Trump's aides.

So it all depends on the severity of the consequences of the refusal whether people get prosecuted.

 


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