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Originally posted by Willo
It would appear that many of our supporters are clamouring for change,for a more attractive brand of football,but change on the managerial 'Throne' comes with risk and the 'Board' with commercial interests consider the 'Bigger picture'. When an experienced manager has provided PL security season on season, and of course many outside the club assert he guarantees survival, then why change? Leeds have only just returned to the PL having last played there in 2003-04, Nottm Forest's last season in the PL was 1998-99.One can spend a long time outside the top division with empty seats very much in evidence! Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2021 10.58am) Why does change come with risk? I would say persistence with the same manager comes with risk. I really do not understand this obsession with Roy being the only manager that can keep this team in the PL.
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Why does change come with risk? I would say persistence with the same manager comes with risk. I really do not understand this obsession with Roy being the only manager that can keep this team in the PL. Mr Hodgson is proven in that he has kept us in the PL and it is likely that we will be in the PL again next season.On the balance of risk he is trusted to ensure PL survival. Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2021 12.00pm)
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Originally posted by Willo
Mr Hodgson is proven in that he has kept us in the PL and it is likely that we will be in the PL again next season.On the balance of risk he is trusted to ensure PL survival. As you keep on saying and yet all of us watch this unadulterated crap week in and week out, complaining along the way (yourself included) but don’t think anything should be done about it. People don’t like change and are frightened of change, it’s as simple as that.
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
As you keep on saying and yet all of us watch this unadulterated crap week in and week out, complaining along the way (yourself included) but don’t think anything should be done about it. People don’t like change and are frightened of change, it’s as simple as that. I don't fit into this category. I have always maintained that if Mr Hodgson departs, leaving a club to contest in the PL once more, there will be a degree of perturbance amongst quite a few of our supporters given his track record, but of course others will be delighted in the expectancy we will play free-flowing "High octane" football. Maybe matters will become clearer in the not too distant future! Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2021 12.12pm)
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Originally posted by Willo
I don't fit into this category. I have always maintained that if Mr Hodgson departs, leaving a club to contest in the PL once more, there will be a degree of perturbance amongst quite a few of our supporters given his track record, but of course others will be delighted in the expectancy we will play free-flowing "High octane" football. Maybe matters will become clearer in the not too distant future! Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2021 12.12pm) Oh come on, you know it runs much deeper than this. Playing a different style doesn’t necessarily mean moving from the sublime to the ridiculous. There are all manner of changes that a new manager can make including shape, transition, attacking tactics, early tactical substitutions, seeing different things in different players, having a different approach to youth, fitness regimes, the list is pretty endless. So just to say that fans want to see free flowing high octane football is not really fair on fans who are asking to see change.
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Originally posted by PatrickA
Willo, is there any facet of Hodgson's management you would like to change? When Mr Hodgson was appointed I engaged in conversation with a few people and to a man they commented that he would guarantee PL survival with his experience and the manner he organises his teams. Of course we would all like to see free-flowing football played with energy and vigour but one has to have the players to play in this manner.I don't believe that Mr Hodgson is averse to an expansive game but he does like structure,shape, particular distances between the lines etc etc. He has been much criticised in recent times for the dour football served up to supporters but I cannot get away from the fact that we are left with a "Dad's Army" squad who are finding it particularly challenging as the advancement of years has coincided with an unusual season with fixture congestion on top of a limited pre-season. In the final analysis, despite a paltry 'Net spend' of
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In other words,nothing he could have done differently!
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Oh come on, you know it runs much deeper than this. Playing a different style doesn’t necessarily mean moving from the sublime to the ridiculous. There are all manner of changes that a new manager can make including shape, transition, attacking tactics, early tactical substitutions, seeing different things in different players, having a different approach to youth, fitness regimes, the list is pretty endless. So just to say that fans want to see free flowing high octane football is not really fair on fans who are asking to see change. For avoidance of doubt I was not criticising our supporters. Of course different managers have different philosophies and live or die by results.The results under Mr Hodgson have ensured we are now in our 4th season in the PL under him and it is highly likely we will once again be in the PL next campaign.
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Originally posted by PatrickA
In other words,nothing he could have done differently! I can only reiterate that Mr Hodgson might have reflected on numerous occasions that in hindsight he would have made different decision in terms of team selection, substitutes etc. Finally I do feel as though I am acting as Mr Hodgson's 'Defence lawyer' !
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Oh come on, you know it runs much deeper than this. Playing a different style doesn’t necessarily mean moving from the sublime to the ridiculous. There are all manner of changes that a new manager can make including shape, transition, attacking tactics, early tactical substitutions, seeing different things in different players, having a different approach to youth, fitness regimes, the list is pretty endless. So just to say that fans want to see free flowing high octane football is not really fair on fans who are asking to see change.
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Originally posted by Putitout
Top-notch !
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
out of interest why not? His job is to manage and get the best out of his players. The Liverpool and England job proved he couldn't do it with quality players. So why should we expect that if we invested more in the first team he would do any better with them? My answer was in response to someone posting that Hodgson blamed the players at his disposal for results - which is simply not true. Managing the national team is not the same dynamic as managing a club. You don't get to see your players day in, day out and quite often you are trying to fit them into a different way of playing to the way they play for their club. As for Liverpool, I think the job was too big for him. Much higher level of expectation, and having to manage top players which I think he struggled with. Look at Moyes at Utd., - too big a job. He's now repaired his reputation at a smaller club. Would he do better at Palace if we invested more in the squad ? I really don't know. What I do know is that he hasn't had that opportunity and that he has inherited the current situation. So I see him generally making the as much as he can out of what he's got.
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Originally posted by Putitout
Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled. |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
My answer was in response to someone posting that Hodgson blamed the players at his disposal for results - which is simply not true. Managing the national team is not the same dynamic as managing a club. You don't get to see your players day in, day out and quite often you are trying to fit them into a different way of playing to the way they play for their club. As for Liverpool, I think the job was too big for him. Much higher level of expectation, and having to manage top players which I think he struggled with. Look at Moyes at Utd., - too big a job. He's now repaired his reputation at a smaller club. Would he do better at Palace if we invested more in the squad ? I really don't know. What I do know is that he hasn't had that opportunity and that he has inherited the current situation. So I see him generally making the as much as he can out of what he's got. I concur with these sentiments.
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Oh come on, you know it runs much deeper than this. Playing a different style doesn’t necessarily mean moving from the sublime to the ridiculous. There are all manner of changes that a new manager can make including shape, transition, attacking tactics, early tactical substitutions, seeing different things in different players, having a different approach to youth, fitness regimes, the list is pretty endless. So just to say that fans want to see free flowing high octane football is not really fair on fans who are asking to see change. I totally agree. I would be very interested to see how our next manager goes about his business. Whenever that may be. I also think that after 4 years in the job, players usually need a ' different voice ' other than their present manager - whatever the club, with the exception of those that are serially winning things. But this constant criticism of Hodgson on here - some of it valid, some not and some plainly ludicrous - continues to ignore that fact that his methods achieve the objective set by his employer. So where is his motivation to change ? Ask yourself, and be honest...you enjoy your job, you are well paid for doing it and the way you do it satisfies your employers expectations - would YOU change ?
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Originally posted by PatrickA
As somebody who used to work in the law, Willo, I can confirm that you are doing a reasonable job as Hodgson’s defence lawyer. My learned friend,in the higher court of HOL, I acted as Mark Clattenburg's 'Defence Lawyer' and then as now the arguments of the Prosecution were defeated neck and crop. Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2021 2.14pm)
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