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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 12 Feb 21 11.42am

Originally posted by Willo

It would appear that many of our supporters are clamouring for change,for a more attractive brand of football,but change on the managerial 'Throne' comes with risk and the 'Board' with commercial interests consider the 'Bigger picture'.

When an experienced manager has provided PL security season on season, and of course many outside the club assert he guarantees survival, then why change?

Leeds have only just returned to the PL having last played there in 2003-04, Nottm Forest's last season in the PL was 1998-99.One can spend a long time outside the top division with empty seats very much in evidence!

Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2021 10.58am)

Why does change come with risk? I would say persistence with the same manager comes with risk. I really do not understand this obsession with Roy being the only manager that can keep this team in the PL.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 21 11.56am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Why does change come with risk? I would say persistence with the same manager comes with risk. I really do not understand this obsession with Roy being the only manager that can keep this team in the PL.

Mr Hodgson is proven in that he has kept us in the PL and it is likely that we will be in the PL again next season.On the balance of risk he is trusted to ensure PL survival.
I accept some of the football has been turgid but when I peruse the league table I see some 'Daylight' between us and those in the relegation zone.

Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2021 12.00pm)

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 12 Feb 21 12.01pm

Originally posted by Willo

Mr Hodgson is proven in that he has kept us in the PL and it is likely that we will be in the PL again next season.On the balance of risk he is trusted to ensure PL survival.

As you keep on saying and yet all of us watch this unadulterated crap week in and week out, complaining along the way (yourself included) but don’t think anything should be done about it. People don’t like change and are frightened of change, it’s as simple as that.

 

Dixie Eagle Flag Chatham 12 Feb 21 12.01pm

I'm in the Roy Out camp. Recent posts about Euro 2016 and the defeat to Iceland remind me that when we went 2-0 down, we never looked like getting back into it. Rashford was our best player but he only came on with about 6 minutes to go. How many similar performances have we seen at Palace?

The writing has been on the way for three seasons now and it gets worse as each season go by.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 21 12.04pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

As you keep on saying and yet all of us watch this unadulterated crap week in and week out, complaining along the way (yourself included) but don’t think anything should be done about it. People don’t like change and are frightened of change, it’s as simple as that.

I don't fit into this category.
The style of football is just part of the 'Jigsaw'.

I have always maintained that if Mr Hodgson departs, leaving a club to contest in the PL once more, there will be a degree of perturbance amongst quite a few of our supporters given his track record, but of course others will be delighted in the expectancy we will play free-flowing "High octane" football.

Maybe matters will become clearer in the not too distant future!

Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2021 12.12pm)

 

PatrickA Flag London 12 Feb 21 12.33pm

Willo, is there any facet of Hodgson's management you would like to change?
What in your opinion have been his mistakes in his time at Palace for elements within his control?
To say you accept his management 'in the round'and to provide a list of extenuating circumstances would surely indicate a total unwillingness to criticise Hodgson at all, even constructively.
Open minded debate should really be the order of the day.

 

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 12 Feb 21 12.40pm

Originally posted by Willo

I don't fit into this category.
The style of football is just part of the 'Jigsaw'.

I have always maintained that if Mr Hodgson departs, leaving a club to contest in the PL once more, there will be a degree of perturbance amongst quite a few of our supporters given his track record, but of course others will be delighted in the expectancy we will play free-flowing "High octane" football.

Maybe matters will become clearer in the not too distant future!

Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2021 12.12pm)

Oh come on, you know it runs much deeper than this. Playing a different style doesn’t necessarily mean moving from the sublime to the ridiculous. There are all manner of changes that a new manager can make including shape, transition, attacking tactics, early tactical substitutions, seeing different things in different players, having a different approach to youth, fitness regimes, the list is pretty endless. So just to say that fans want to see free flowing high octane football is not really fair on fans who are asking to see change.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 21 12.56pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

Willo, is there any facet of Hodgson's management you would like to change?
What in your opinion have been his mistakes in his time at Palace for elements within his control?
To say you accept his management 'in the round'and to provide a list of extenuating circumstances would surely indicate a total unwillingness to criticise Hodgson at all, even constructively.
Open minded debate should really be the order of the day.

When Mr Hodgson was appointed I engaged in conversation with a few people and to a man they commented that he would guarantee PL survival with his experience and the manner he organises his teams.
When we went 7 games without a win and without a goal being scored, a PL 'First', I began to question their judgement.The rest as they say is history.

Of course we would all like to see free-flowing football played with energy and vigour but one has to have the players to play in this manner.I don't believe that Mr Hodgson is averse to an expansive game but he does like structure,shape, particular distances between the lines etc etc.

He has been much criticised in recent times for the dour football served up to supporters but I cannot get away from the fact that we are left with a "Dad's Army" squad who are finding it particularly challenging as the advancement of years has coincided with an unusual season with fixture congestion on top of a limited pre-season.

In the final analysis, despite a paltry 'Net spend' of
£10 Mill, Mr Hodgson has kept us in the hallowed PL season on season and for that he deserves real praise.
He might reflect himself that in hindsight, on occasions, he might have made different decisions but we all fall into that category!


 

PatrickA Flag London 12 Feb 21 1.00pm

In other words,nothing he could have done differently!

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 21 1.06pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Oh come on, you know it runs much deeper than this. Playing a different style doesn’t necessarily mean moving from the sublime to the ridiculous. There are all manner of changes that a new manager can make including shape, transition, attacking tactics, early tactical substitutions, seeing different things in different players, having a different approach to youth, fitness regimes, the list is pretty endless. So just to say that fans want to see free flowing high octane football is not really fair on fans who are asking to see change.

For avoidance of doubt I was not criticising our supporters.
I full recognise that many want a change from what we have been 'Served' and I have been very critical of a number of performances making my feelings known in no uncertain terms on HOL !

Of course different managers have different philosophies and live or die by results.The results under Mr Hodgson have ensured we are now in our 4th season in the PL under him and it is highly likely we will once again be in the PL next campaign.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 21 1.11pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

In other words,nothing he could have done differently!

I can only reiterate that Mr Hodgson might have reflected on numerous occasions that in hindsight he would have made different decision in terms of team selection, substitutes etc.
I have formed a view during games whereby I haven't agreed with the manager and not been shy to make it known!

Finally I do feel as though I am acting as Mr Hodgson's 'Defence lawyer' !


Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2021 1.13pm)

 

Putitout Flag Oxford 12 Feb 21 1.20pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Oh come on, you know it runs much deeper than this. Playing a different style doesn’t necessarily mean moving from the sublime to the ridiculous. There are all manner of changes that a new manager can make including shape, transition, attacking tactics, early tactical substitutions, seeing different things in different players, having a different approach to youth, fitness regimes, the list is pretty endless. So just to say that fans want to see free flowing high octane football is not really fair on fans who are asking to see change.


As long as it isn’t change for the sake of change. We are one of a long list of , clubs , that go sooner or later between Premier and championship, There are three of them stuck in the bottom three right now. It isn’t wrong to want bright entertaining football, but most of the clubs in the long list ,have tried to achieve just that and it hasn’t stopped them being on the list, and spending two much time in the Championship. Most have experimented with multiple Changes of manager ,and so called nice to watch entertaining football, all to often leading to disaster. So it’s all very well pleading for new management , but all of those clubs similar to us show it is an exceptional case when it all goes well for very long.
I think Hodgson, could call it a day at his age, maybe should, it’s inevitable anyway especially if the support don’t appreciate what he has done here, but that doesn’t alter what he has done. Hodgson has kept us at the top or near the top of that list, it would be great to be in that position having hardly ever played dull to win, but the odds are heavily against no matter who gets Hodgson,s job.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 21 1.25pm

Originally posted by Putitout


As long as it isn’t change for the sake of change. We are one of a long list of , clubs , that go sooner or later between Premier and championship, There are three of them stuck in the bottom three right now. It isn’t wrong to want bright entertaining football, but most of the clubs in the long list ,have tried to achieve just that and it hasn’t stopped them being on the list, and spending two much time in the Championship. Most have experimented with multiple Changes of manager ,and so called nice to watch entertaining football, all to often leading to disaster. So it’s all very well pleading for new management , but all of those clubs similar to us show it is an exceptional case when it all goes well for very long.
I think Hodgson, could call it a day at his age, maybe should, it’s inevitable anyway especially if the support don’t appreciate what he has done here, but that doesn’t alter what he has done. Hodgson has kept us at the top or near the top of that list, it would be great to be in that position having hardly ever played dull to win, but the odds are heavily against no matter who gets Hodgson,s job.

Top-notch !
I garland these comments with praise.

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 12 Feb 21 1.32pm

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

out of interest why not? His job is to manage and get the best out of his players. The Liverpool and England job proved he couldn't do it with quality players. So why should we expect that if we invested more in the first team he would do any better with them?

My answer was in response to someone posting that Hodgson blamed the players at his disposal for results - which is simply not true.

Managing the national team is not the same dynamic as managing a club. You don't get to see your players day in, day out and quite often you are trying to fit them into a different way of playing to the way they play for their club.

As for Liverpool, I think the job was too big for him. Much higher level of expectation, and having to manage top players which I think he struggled with. Look at Moyes at Utd., - too big a job. He's now repaired his reputation at a smaller club.

Would he do better at Palace if we invested more in the squad ? I really don't know. What I do know is that he hasn't had that opportunity and that he has inherited the current situation. So I see him generally making the as much as he can out of what he's got.

 


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Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 12 Feb 21 1.39pm

Originally posted by Putitout


As long as it isn’t change for the sake of change. We are one of a long list of , clubs , that go sooner or later between Premier and championship, There are three of them stuck in the bottom three right now. It isn’t wrong to want bright entertaining football, but most of the clubs in the long list ,have tried to achieve just that and it hasn’t stopped them being on the list, and spending two much time in the Championship. Most have experimented with multiple Changes of manager ,and so called nice to watch entertaining football, all to often leading to disaster. So it’s all very well pleading for new management , but all of those clubs similar to us show it is an exceptional case when it all goes well for very long.
I think Hodgson, could call it a day at his age, maybe should, it’s inevitable anyway especially if the support don’t appreciate what he has done here, but that doesn’t alter what he has done. Hodgson has kept us at the top or near the top of that list, it would be great to be in that position having hardly ever played dull to win, but the odds are heavily against no matter who gets Hodgson,s job.


Good one. Like you're style. Also agree with Willo when he reminds us of the unprecedented season our aging team and, frankly, the manager, are having. Dealing with the effects of Covid in a condensed season following shortly after the last one with very little pre-season must be tricky to say the least.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 21 1.44pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

My answer was in response to someone posting that Hodgson blamed the players at his disposal for results - which is simply not true.

Managing the national team is not the same dynamic as managing a club. You don't get to see your players day in, day out and quite often you are trying to fit them into a different way of playing to the way they play for their club.

As for Liverpool, I think the job was too big for him. Much higher level of expectation, and having to manage top players which I think he struggled with. Look at Moyes at Utd., - too big a job. He's now repaired his reputation at a smaller club.

Would he do better at Palace if we invested more in the squad ? I really don't know. What I do know is that he hasn't had that opportunity and that he has inherited the current situation. So I see him generally making the as much as he can out of what he's got.

I concur with these sentiments.

 

NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 12 Feb 21 1.45pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Oh come on, you know it runs much deeper than this. Playing a different style doesn’t necessarily mean moving from the sublime to the ridiculous. There are all manner of changes that a new manager can make including shape, transition, attacking tactics, early tactical substitutions, seeing different things in different players, having a different approach to youth, fitness regimes, the list is pretty endless. So just to say that fans want to see free flowing high octane football is not really fair on fans who are asking to see change.

I totally agree.

I would be very interested to see how our next manager goes about his business. Whenever that may be.

I also think that after 4 years in the job, players usually need a ' different voice ' other than their present manager - whatever the club, with the exception of those that are serially winning things.

But this constant criticism of Hodgson on here - some of it valid, some not and some plainly ludicrous - continues to ignore that fact that his methods achieve the objective set by his employer. So where is his motivation to change ? Ask yourself, and be honest...you enjoy your job, you are well paid for doing it and the way you do it satisfies your employers expectations - would YOU change ?

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 21 1.49pm

Burnley hardly play attractive football and in recent seasons we have scored more goals than them.
I was just pondering as to whether Sean Dyche attracts similar criticism from their supporters to that directed at Mr Hodgson from our fanbase.

 

PatrickA Flag London 12 Feb 21 1.52pm

As somebody who used to work in the law, Willo, I can confirm that you are doing a reasonable job as Hodgson’s defence lawyer.
Plenty of exclusion clauses, pre- conditions, examples of force majeure.
But I’m afraid the case for the prosecution is more compelling as the defence (as has been the case for our team this season) is weak in significant areas.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 12 Feb 21 2.12pm

Originally posted by PatrickA

As somebody who used to work in the law, Willo, I can confirm that you are doing a reasonable job as Hodgson’s defence lawyer.
Plenty of exclusion clauses, pre- conditions, examples of force majeure.
But I’m afraid the case for the prosecution is more compelling as the defence (as has been the case for our team this season) is weak in significant areas.

My learned friend,in the higher court of HOL, I acted as Mark Clattenburg's 'Defence Lawyer' and then as now the arguments of the Prosecution were defeated neck and crop.
-.-'

Edited by Willo (12 Feb 2021 2.14pm)

 

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