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 cryrst  The garden of England 18 Jul 22 7.34am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Only a naval reservist! Come on CP give her some credit! She was also a magicians assistant, I wonder if she could make your emojis disappear Merlin would struggle with that
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Palace Old Geezer  Midhurst 18 Jul 22 8.15am |
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This horror show of a leadership contest is just making me want to yell 'Bring Back Boris!' At least he made me laugh.
Dad and I watched games standing on the muddy slope of the Holmesdale Road end. He cheered and I rattled. |
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| Mapletree Croydon 18 Jul 22 8.38am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So a plumber or milkman would have experience of a high pressure role. These people are bought up in jobs and environments that would normally have a responsibility that most of us would crack under the stress I’m sure. I would imagine even boris and starmer would sit in their space worrying about if their decisions were correct for the better good. Your subservience is mind-boggling, do you consider yourself a Serf? This lot has been taught not to worry about anyone other than themselves. That is precisely the problem. And no, it doesn't take an Etonian to run the country or anything else.
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| silvertop Portishead 18 Jul 22 9.13am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Your subservience is mind-boggling, do you consider yourself a Serf? This lot has been taught not to worry about anyone other than themselves. That is precisely the problem. And no, it doesn't take an Etonian to run the country or anything else. I don't agree with Cryst on much out side football, but his point seemed common sense. He wasn't doffing cap to the toffs. I think he was saying that those who come from senior management will have had a better understanding of nation management. I am self employed and experience stress in my job, but I know I could not cope with the relentless 24/7 of front bench politics. Tony Blaire aged about 40 years on the job.
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Nicholas91  The Democratic Republic of Kent 18 Jul 22 9.14am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Your subservience is mind-boggling, do you consider yourself a Serf? This lot has been taught not to worry about anyone other than themselves. That is precisely the problem. And no, it doesn't take an Etonian to run the country or anything else. I'd argue against this. From my experience, an 'Etonian' is far better conditioned for detachment from and therefore care for the rest of the country and therefore can run a country, no matter how disgracefully or incompetently, without quite bearing the moral or otherwise burden many of the majority of us would feel for our fellow beings.
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| silvertop Portishead 18 Jul 22 9.15am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
From your description he sounds like a 'Paddy Ashdown' type figure. He's obviously suffered from Labour's march further left since Blaire. You would think that if Starmer was actually serious about being a centralist that he'd actually involve people like that more. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jul 2022 12.00pm) If you review my description of Jarvis, you will see why Starmer would not want this guy anywhere near his front bench.
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| cryrst The garden of England 18 Jul 22 9.26am |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I don't agree with Cryst on much out side football, but his point seemed common sense. He wasn't doffing cap to the toffs. I think he was saying that those who come from senior management will have had a better understanding of nation management. I am self employed and experience stress in my job, but I know I could not cope with the relentless 24/7 of front bench politics. Tony Blaire aged about 40 years on the job. Yay
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jul 22 9.28am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Tbh you said totally the opposite about brexit once the mps made their decision to leave! How so? What I said, and still believe, is that under Corbyn's leadership the Labour Party bottled it. He was too obsessed with becoming PM, and personally uncommitted to the EU, to stand aside, allow a new leader to create a coalition of the like-minded and accept the need for a confirmatory vote. The opportunity to defeat the government was there. The votes were there. What was lacking was leadership. That the MPs had previously decided to trigger Article 50 is neither here nor there. That was but one step on the path. They held the power, and responsibility, to act in our best interests.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jul 22 9.42am |
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Originally posted by Willo
With respect I view these comments with incredulity and will not be lured into any debate on this matter. Edited by Willo (17 Jul 2022 11.13pm) With respect, I regard that answer as a cop out. If you believe the current system as better/more democratic than the one I have suggested, then kindly have the courtesy to explain why. I believe the current method to be an insult to everyone except those who are signed up, fully paid members of the Conservative party. That includes all the others who vote for that party, alongside those who don't. Allowing activists, without any verification of their attitudes, qualifications, motivations and priorities, to be the final arbiters in who becomes PM is a travesty of common sense. Would you have accepted the same from the Labour Party with Militant or Momentum swelling their membership?
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| cryrst The garden of England 18 Jul 22 9.43am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
How so? What I said, and still believe, is that under Corbyn's leadership the Labour Party bottled it. He was too obsessed with becoming PM, and personally uncommitted to the EU, to stand aside, allow a new leader to create a coalition of the like-minded and accept the need for a confirmatory vote. The opportunity to defeat the government was there. The votes were there. What was lacking was leadership. That the MPs had previously decided to trigger Article 50 is neither here nor there. That was but one step on the path. They held the power, and responsibility, to act in our best interests. So now your saying that by having the power to elect the new PM that they would do it in our best interests. I think this is wrong as it could be about who’s who’s and best ‘mates’. The members don’t have that relationship so nepotism cannot be a factor.
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| Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 18 Jul 22 9.48am |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Penny was only a navy reservist- I thought she was in the navy- oh well, funny seeing Richi in the tv debate saying he worries about his daughters inheritance like us all , something like that anyway.Liz reminds me of a thunderbirds puppet walking with strings- who to pick? That is so spot on it dazed me momentarily.
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| silvertop Portishead 18 Jul 22 9.53am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
With respect, I regard that answer as a cop out. If you believe the current system as better/more democratic than the one I have suggested, then kindly have the courtesy to explain why. I believe the current method to be an insult to everyone except those who are signed up, fully paid members of the Conservative party. That includes all the others who vote for that party, alongside those who don't. Allowing activists, without any verification of their attitudes, qualifications, motivations and priorities, to be the final arbiters in who becomes PM is a travesty of common sense. Would you have accepted the same from the Labour Party with Militant or Momentum swelling their membership? Which is precisely why May went to the polls. She knew she had no mandate to rule. Sadly, integrity and doing the right thing wholly backfiring on her.
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