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 Lyons550  Shirley 24 Jun 16 3.10pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
How many of those 17million really looked into the issues before making an informed decision rather than relying on hyperbole. As I've said, I accept the result and came very close to voting leave myself, but for very different reasons than most I expect. But now is not the time for 'told you so's.' No one wants things to go tits up for purposes of one upmanship. It's time to think about the way forward now and discuss what we want an 'independent' UK to look like. Do we want one that genuinely looks after the interests of Joe public or one that is just more of the same austerity and siphoning of cash from have nots to tyhe haves? To look on the bright side, it's a real opportunity to exact change for the benefit of all UK citizens. Sadly, if we see the same old neoliberals taking the rudder, I can't see it happening. I guess it could also be asked how many of the 16m voted REMAIN out of fear for change and also being unable to think for themselves?
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Slimey Toad  Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 24 Jun 16 3.12pm |
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Originally posted by dannyh
You wouldn't say you were over egging the pudding a touch with the ten year nonsense, given that the pound has already in a matter of hours started to claw back the losses from when trading first opened this morning ? Cheer up FFS That could be profit takers shorting. A long decline can stretch over a considerable period.
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| Slimey Toad Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 24 Jun 16 3.14pm |
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Originally posted by dannyh
You wouldn't say you were over egging the pudding a touch with the ten year nonsense, given that the pound has already in a matter of hours started to claw back the losses from when trading first opened this morning ? Cheer up FFS But I'm not too worried, since the YTL is such a rubbish currency my bottle of gin will now cost £3.50 instead of £3.25 (for a bit).
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black eagle.  south croydon. 24 Jun 16 3.19pm |
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Surely this is the end of Corbyn as Labour leader, he wanted to remain just like Cameron did and Cameron walked. Corbyn is a dead man walking.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 24 Jun 16 3.24pm |
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Originally posted by Slimey Toad
That could be profit takers shorting. A long decline can stretch over a considerable period. There would have been very few bids (people wanting to buy/go long at the top and the way down) for traders wanting to go short against them just after midnight. You cannot sell a price without anyone willing to buy (sorry to state the obvious but I bet some people think it's as easy as knowing it's doomed and hitting sell). You have to do it just before. It came down in a straight line. No resistance. There might be profit taking now from those who went short over the last few days. Also, there's 'sell the rumour, buy the fact.' As there's actually very little change to the country for quite a while, why keep selling and speculating a catastrophe when there isn't one? Over the next few weeks and then Summer when most go on their hols and volume is as thin as Trump's hair, expect all markets to blip and flip the moment Trusk, Juncker, Hollande or Merkel take a sh1t. Doesn't necessarily mean anything, just short-term noise and short-term trades of minutes or seconds. Not until economic data and deals have been hinted and made will it be meaningful. Edited by Rudi Hedman (24 Jun 2016 3.27pm)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 24 Jun 16 3.30pm |
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Originally posted by Slimey Toad
Surely this is the chance for the Labour Party to re-engage with their core audience. They need to find a middle way between the idealistic flip flop wearers and the Blairite Westminster villagers. I have a cousin working at Kirklees Council in West Yorkshire. So many there voted 'leave' (and a lot of them active Unison members) because they got no acknowledgement from the Labour Party membership about what concerns them and could only see Remain through the lens of Cameron and Osborne. Is your cousin somehwere between the Champagne Socialists, the Metropolitan liberal elite, Blairites, Neoliberalism? Doesn't sound like it to me. This is where there problem is to me. Left or centre and they can't win without a message that inspires enough. Out of touch with the ordinary person, ordinary person doesn't appeal to the middle class anti-Tory. Edited by Rudi Hedman (24 Jun 2016 3.55pm)
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| matt_himself Matataland 24 Jun 16 3.40pm |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
Anything to say about Cameron having lost his job as a result of EU Vote outcome? Plenty of Conservative Pro-EU Ministers may also fall upon their swords as well.... He took a gamble and lost. He knew the scale of what he was doing. However, the winner is Sir Nigel Farage, who I voted for at the last election. He has proved that he, and only he, is the only leader of a major political party who is aligned with the people.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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taylors lovechild  24 Jun 16 3.56pm |
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 24 Jun 16 3.58pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
He took a gamble and lost. He knew the scale of what he was doing. "The UK can cope outside of the EU." Fast forward.... "We are heading for a self inflicted catastrophe." "Peace is at risk." "Little Englander." "We cannot reform from the outside." (erm, you couldn't from within) Glad he's going. Lied at some point or much more than once.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 24 Jun 16 4.01pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
He took a gamble and lost. He knew the scale of what he was doing. Appears some of the naive young didn't and a few filmed on tv regret voting leave. Well that's not exclusive to this referendum/election. Often people regret their vote immediately or shorty after. Sometimes due to manifesto details or not delivered or tactical voting gone wrong. Bringing this regret out now is pointless.
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 24 Jun 16 4.05pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
He took a gamble and lost. He knew the scale of what he was doing. However, the winner is Sir Nigel Farage, who I voted for at the last election. He has proved that he, and only he, is the only leader of a major political party who is aligned with the people. So in touch with the people he failed to win a seat in said last election, securing just 32% of the vote?
"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show |
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 24 Jun 16 4.08pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
"The UK can cope outside of the EU." Fast forward.... "We are heading for a self inflicted catastrophe." "Peace is at risk." "Little Englander." "We cannot reform from the outside." (erm, you couldn't from within) Glad he's going. Lied at some point or much more than once. His position was untenable. But I'm not sure it wasn't from the outset of the EU campaign. He said that the UK should leave the EU unless he secured sufficient reform in negotations. But then campaigned on the back of doom-mongering and horror stories about the likely scenarios if we voted out. If it was going to be that bad then he should never have a) been willing to leave with or without some concessions and b) put it to a vote in the first place - if it was that important he shouldn't have risked it. He has done so for nothing other than political avarice. He believed him being PM was more important than risking the UK membership of the EU. Edited by OknotOK (24 Jun 2016 4.08pm)
"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show |
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| JRW2 Dulwich 24 Jun 16 4.16pm |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
So in touch with the people he failed to win a seat in said last election, securing just 32% of the vote? Isn't that the election in which the Conservatives are now being accused of having cheated over their expenses - so determined were they to stop Farage?
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| Stuk Top half 24 Jun 16 4.17pm |
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
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They got more votes than the Lib dems and the SNP did. Combined.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Jun 16 4.19pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Couldn't care less what you think. Run along sweetheart. Are you 2 timing me Matthew? I thought I was your sweetheart.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Jun 16 4.20pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
He took a gamble and lost. He knew the scale of what he was doing. However, the winner is Sir Nigel Farage, who I voted for at the last election. He has proved that he, and only he, is the only leader of a major political party who is aligned with the people. Not with me he's not.
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| Stuk Top half 24 Jun 16 4.21pm |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
So in touch with the people he failed to win a seat in said last election, securing just 32% of the vote? 27% gain and 10% loss for the incumbent. Didn't help that you had a comedian messing about with the democratic process either. I'm no fan of him or his party but there's no point denying how far they've come in a short space of time.
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| beagle pom tiddly om pom pom 24 Jun 16 4.26pm |
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Originally posted by black eagle.
Surely this is the end of Corbyn as Labour leader, he wanted to remain just like Cameron did and Cameron walked. Corbyn is a dead man walking. He was conspicuous by his absence in the debate and seemed happy to let the blue on blue Tory feuding take the headlines. To my mind he is a guilty as Cameron in playing politics with this referendum and did fcuk-all except give the odd limp sound bite.
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Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 24 Jun 16 4.33pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
How many of those 17million really looked into the issues before making an informed decision rather than relying on hyperbole. As I've said, I accept the result and came very close to voting leave myself, but for very different reasons than most I expect. But now is not the time for 'told you so's.' No one wants things to go tits up for purposes of one upmanship. It's time to think about the way forward now and discuss what we want an 'independent' UK to look like. Do we want one that genuinely looks after the interests of Joe public or one that is just more of the same austerity and siphoning of cash from have nots to tyhe haves? To look on the bright side, it's a real opportunity to exact change for the benefit of all UK citizens. Sadly, if we see the same old neoliberals taking the rudder, I can't see it happening. Nick even though I was pro Remain albeit with huge reservations, I have an issue with this. It is exactly the position Labour took after the last General Election. The electorate don't get it. You know what? maybe they don't, but if that's the case it is the politicians who are to blame. What makes you think all the REmain voters knew what they were voting for? maybe they went for the status quo so they didn't have to think. Cameron, Corbyn etc could not get their message across, they misjudged the whole thing, now we live with whatever consequences (positive & negative) that will bring.
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