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.TUX.  30 May 19 9.04pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
Yes, there's no doubt a good argument that anyone truly thinking of Joe Public rather than their billionaire buddies never gets within 100 miles of the presidency to begin with! Ignore those (politicians) who continually make you/us poorer and just do your own thing.
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 Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 May 19 10.20pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Fantasist. The Cambridge dictionary defines "fantasist" as :-"someone who often has fantasies, or who confuses fantasy and what is real." Strangely that seems a pretty accurate description of you, rather than of me. I observe. I read. Then I apply common sense. Very few things that walk like ducks and quack like ducks aren't ducks. Very few innocent men find it necessary to proclaim their innocence quite as often as Trump does. They let their innocence speak for itself confident that no degree of investigation can uncover that which does not exist. So I will remind you of that jibe when all of this is finally done and dusted. That may well be some years hence, after Trump has been voted out and his immunity from prosecution is at an end. As I said there is a long long way to go before this particular stain on western democracy has been put in the washing machine for cleansing. As suggested by Lindsey Graham.
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Teddy Eagle  30 May 19 11.23pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The Cambridge dictionary defines "fantasist" as :-"someone who often has fantasies, or who confuses fantasy and what is real." Strangely that seems a pretty accurate description of you, rather than of me. I observe. I read. Then I apply common sense. Very few things that walk like ducks and quack like ducks aren't ducks. Very few innocent men find it necessary to proclaim their innocence quite as often as Trump does. They let their innocence speak for itself confident that no degree of investigation can uncover that which does not exist. So I will remind you of that jibe when all of this is finally done and dusted. That may well be some years hence, after Trump has been voted out and his immunity from prosecution is at an end. As I said there is a long long way to go before this particular stain on western democracy has been put in the washing machine for cleansing. As suggested by Lindsey Graham. It’s also possible that very few innocent people are accused of malfeasance as regularly. If he said nothing he’d be accused of not being able to provide any defence. I have no idea if he’s guilty or not but if he isn’t why shouldn’t he say so?
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| Stirlingsays 30 May 19 11.41pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The Cambridge dictionary defines "fantasist" as :-"someone who often has fantasies, or who confuses fantasy and what is real." Strangely that seems a pretty accurate description of you, rather than of me. I observe. I read. Then I apply common sense. Very few things that walk like ducks and quack like ducks aren't ducks. Very few innocent men find it necessary to proclaim their innocence quite as often as Trump does. They let their innocence speak for itself confident that no degree of investigation can uncover that which does not exist. As I said there is a long long way to go before this particular stain on western democracy has been put in the washing machine for cleansing. As suggested by Lindsey Graham.
Trump might well lose the next election but he isn't going anywhere on 'Russian collusion' which was a lie from the beginning. You are just another of the deluded who push falsehoods because of what you want to be true rather than what can be proven to be. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 May 2019 11.42pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 30 May 19 11.53pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Trump might well lose the next election but he isn't going anywhere on 'Russian collusion' which was a lie from the beginning. You are just another of the deluded who push falsehoods because of what you want to be true rather than what can be proven to be. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 May 2019 11.42pm) Are you revelling in the loss of fellow HOLers who just saw things differently from you? I regret the loss of (almost) all of our old friends and adversaries I thought the issue was obstruction of the investigation.
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| Stirlingsays 31 May 19 12.47am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Are you revelling in the loss of fellow HOLers who just saw things differently from you? I regret the loss of (almost) all of our old friends and adversaries I've been revelling in being right. They choose to bugger off but their words are saved for posterity. Originally posted by Mapletree
I thought the issue was obstruction of the investigation. As for the whole concept of what is and isn't obstruction on the evidence presented is iffy as Barr stated. To this we add to the reality that no actual acts of obstruction were carried out.....Trump could have made sure they were if he had really wanted to obstruct. A giant nothing burger. Like I said at the start, Trump is going nowhere over this and the Democrats will have to beat him in 2020 in the same fashion that all presidents should lose....by democracy, not machinations by elites.
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cpfc_chap  koh samui 31 May 19 7.47am |
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Seems very positive! Trump knows good guys when he sees them.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 May 19 10.14am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Trump might well lose the next election but he isn't going anywhere on 'Russian collusion' which was a lie from the beginning. You are just another of the deluded who push falsehoods because of what you want to be true rather than what can be proven to be. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 May 2019 11.42pm) The only reason I won't be here is if I am dead or incapacitated. You can rely upon it! I think it much more likely that the thread will have been deleted in embarrassment by it's moderator. Russian collusion was never an issue because collusion itself is not a crime. The term is simply media shorthand. That the Trump team will be indicted with crimes rising from their involvement with Russian efforts to disrupt the election in favour of Trump via Wikileaks is a shoe in, once Assange is extradited. You can bet on it. When isn't clear, but not if. Whether Trump himself can be tied in is also unclear but there are many ways of skinning that particular cat and I don't actually care which one is used, so long as he sees justice. No falsehoods involved at all. Read the Mueller report and listen to his summary of it. The information is all there for those with minds open enough to recognise it it.
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cryrst  The garden of England 31 May 19 10.38am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The only reason I won't be here is if I am dead or incapacitated. You can rely upon it! I think it much more likely that the thread will have been deleted in embarrassment by it's moderator. Russian collusion was never an issue because collusion itself is not a crime. The term is simply media shorthand. That the Trump team will be indicted with crimes rising from their involvement with Russian efforts to disrupt the election in favour of Trump via Wikileaks is a shoe in, once Assange is extradited. You can bet on it. When isn't clear, but not if. Whether Trump himself can be tied in is also unclear but there are many ways of skinning that particular cat and I don't actually care which one is used, so long as he sees justice. No falsehoods involved at all. Read the Mueller report and listen to his summary of it. The information is all there for those with minds open enough to recognise it it. you are like a reversed
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 May 19 4.55pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
you are like a reversed None of the above. I just don't like to see the most powerful country in the world being so stupid as to elect a criminal as it's President just because he appealed to their basest instincts on prime time TV. I want to see the many responsible and decent people in the USA come together to rid themselves of this parasite. Maybe Trump actually believes in himself and his innocence. He is narcissistic enough to do so. Maybe he is an unaware puppet being manipulated by those with a variety of agendas. Time will tell.
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| Teddy Eagle 31 May 19 5.33pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Justin Amash at a recent town hall: "If you have a society where all we care about is that the other side is bad, and therefore we dont have to do the right thing, that society will break down. You will have no liberty. For those of you who care about liberty, who care about the constitution, I assure you the surest way to make our constitution a dead letter is to have a society where we all hate each other, and we dont care about what the other side are doing, right or wrong, we are just going to hate them and disagree with them. That is the surest way to destroy our constitution, and I refuse to be part of that. I will always stand up for our liberty and our constitution." Lucky no one hates Trump then or they’d be part of the problem.
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| Stirlingsays 31 May 19 6.06pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Justin Amash at a recent town hall: "If you have a society where all we care about is that the other side is bad, and therefore we dont have to do the right thing, that society will break down. You will have no liberty. For those of you who care about liberty, who care about the constitution, I assure you the surest way to make our constitution a dead letter is to have a society where we all hate each other, and we dont care about what the other side are doing, right or wrong, we are just going to hate them and disagree with them. That is the surest way to destroy our constitution, and I refuse to be part of that. I will always stand up for our liberty and our constitution." Mmmm...Well.....we can pretty accurately say that both the first and second amendments aren't safe in Democratic hands. I mean, I agree with first amendment free speech, single payer healthcare and a society where civilians don't have easy access to guns. But that's easy for me because the society I was raised in came already pre-packaged with them. Changing any or all of them would send catastrophic shock waves throughout the US and I don't think they should be done without strong public support....meaning states themselves get a say. However, I don't know that I trust the Democrats to feel the same way.
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| Maine Eagle USA 31 May 19 6.24pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Mmmm...Well.....we can pretty accurately say that both the first and second amendments aren't save in Democratic hands. I mean, I agree with first amendment free speech, single payer healthcare and a society where civilians don't have easy access to guns. But that's easy for me because the society I was raised in came already pre-packaged with them. Changing any or all of them would send catastrophic shock waves throughout the US and I don't think they should be done without strong public support....meaning states themselves get a say. However, I don't know that I trust the Democrats to feel the same way.
Democrats dont support the first amendment? First I heard of it. Re guns, stronger gun controls are supported by the majority of people. Only the NRA, with their immense lobbying power over the GOP, keep the children of America at risk of murder by assault weapon in their schools. This is the problem with Trump, as I have said many, many times. He has opened Pandora's box and you cannot put the toothpaste back in the tube now. If the next democratic president wants to declare a national emergency after the next mass shooting of poor innocents, then no one has a leg to stand on challenging that as Trump has redefined national emergencies. The next democratic president will press his or her agenda FAR more vociferously than they would have before Trump ran roughshod over every norm and standard of the office of president. Democratic president obstructing justice? Dems now have 1000s of hours of soundbites from republicans not caring at all, and an attorney general who said it was ok because the president felt "under attack". Dem president declaring national emergency? Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. Dem president storming out of meetings and refusing to work with republicans? Seen that before. Dem president cheating on his wife with a p*** star, offering hush money payments, breaking campaign finance laws. Been there and got the T-Shirt. Its a brave new world which Trump and his cronies are ushering in. Hope the right wing enjoy it when the next left wing president gets into power and starts dismantling it all, changing laws, circumventing congress and the like.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 31 May 19 6.27pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Trump is at it again, he is incorrigible. He is going to introduce tariffs on all goods crossing the Mexico border unless illegal immigration or drug smuggling is stopped. New tag line: "Trump - bringing childlike simplistic solutions to complex problems since 1976" Being a Trump advisor has got to be the most frustrating job in the world. He seems hell bent on trashing the good vibes yanks have about the economy and wants to make blue collar American's pay more money for both Chinese AND Mexican imports. I think he is seriously becoming unhinged as this makes no sense and will do nothing for him except with his base, who are going to follow him off a cliff even if he did gun someone down on 5th ave. The idea that the Mexican government can immediately end all migration AND the drug trade is something only a 5 year old would think can be actually achieved. Also what happened to Trump's f&cking wall which Mexico was gonna pay for?! That big wall should stop all these things anyway shouldn't it, so why hasnt he built his shiny wall? Because the Democrats have tried to block him at every stage it's a bit rich complaining that Trump hasn't built it. Trump has a point, Mexico is not doing enough to halt illegal immigration and the flow of guns and drugs. This has gone on for many decades the US has the right to defend it's borders and to expect it's neighbours to likewise. Imposing tariffs may not be the best solution but talking hasn't achieved much and I don't mean Trump insulting them look at the previous administrations. I don't think Trump expects Mexico to solve it tomorrow but he is expecting them to show willing.
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| Maine Eagle USA 31 May 19 6.53pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Because the Democrats have tried to block him at every stage it's a bit rich complaining that Trump hasn't built it. Trump has a point, Mexico is not doing enough to halt illegal immigration and the flow of guns and drugs. This has gone on for many decades the US has the right to defend it's borders and to expect it's neighbours to likewise. Imposing tariffs may not be the best solution but talking hasn't achieved much and I don't mean Trump insulting them look at the previous administrations. I don't think Trump expects Mexico to solve it tomorrow but he is expecting them to show willing. Hmmmm. So what happened for the first 2 years of Trump's presidency when republicans controlled ALL branches of government? ..... Crickets, Badger. It wasnt democrats not ponying up money for this BS vanity project, it was Paul Ryan. So before buying into the partisan narrative of Trump, understand that the GOP was in power in all branches of government for the first 2 years of Trump's reign. John McCain blocked his BS health bill to destroy the ACA, and Paul Ryan saw to it that billions weren't wasted on a shiny wall. Those are Republicans. They do show willing. Mexico has been engaged in a long standing war against the drug cartels for decades. Clearly there is corruption in the country but starting a trade war is not a silver bullet. Trade wars are never good. Its an idea a 5 year old would have. Trump's tariffs are paid for by the American people. This hurts poor Americans.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 31 May 19 7.37pm |
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It reminds me of the time when Obama implemented DACA, despite lacking the constitutional and legal authority to do so. (And people wonder why there is so many unaccompanied minors on the southern border). [Link] Edited by Penge Eagle (31 May 2019 7.38pm)
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| Stirlingsays 31 May 19 8.02pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Democrats dont support the first amendment? First I heard of it. Re guns, stronger gun controls are supported by the majority of people. Only the NRA, with their immense lobbying power over the GOP, keep the children of America at risk of murder by assault weapon in their schools. Free speech safe with Democrats? As for gun laws. I can see stricter gun laws in heavily blue democratic states but the consensus is nothing like what it would need to be for republican states.....that's what the stats show. Even though I agree with stricter gun laws I don't agree with imposing them on populations who disagree with me. Edited by Stirlingsays (31 May 2019 8.10pm)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 31 May 19 8.50pm |
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Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Hmmmm. So what happened for the first 2 years of Trump's presidency when republicans controlled ALL branches of government? ..... Crickets, Badger. It wasnt democrats not ponying up money for this BS vanity project, it was Paul Ryan. So before buying into the partisan narrative of Trump, understand that the GOP was in power in all branches of government for the first 2 years of Trump's reign. John McCain blocked his BS health bill to destroy the ACA, and Paul Ryan saw to it that billions weren't wasted on a shiny wall. Those are Republicans. They do show willing. Mexico has been engaged in a long standing war against the drug cartels for decades. Clearly there is corruption in the country but starting a trade war is not a silver bullet. Trade wars are never good. Its an idea a 5 year old would have. Trump's tariffs are paid for by the American people. This hurts poor Americans. You obviously know more about American politics than I do but a quick google of Trump Mexican Wall timeline shows that there was plenty going on from when he took over in Jan 2017. Lots of articles from people who hate Trump detailing what he was doing (and why it was wrong). I agree that trade wars are not a good ideas but what would you suggest he do? Previously US administrations have tried talking giving money etc. I know its not easy as it's a corrupt country, and Mexico is even worse, (joke). At some point Mexican has to acknowledge that this is an issue that is upsetting its biggest trade partner.
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