No it wasn't. It was stating the truth. If there were already negotiations in process, which there were, then they take priority. The UK already had a trade deal, via the EU. If it chose to throw it away then it had to face the consequences.

Trump is dangling unrealistic golden carrots which if they ever came to be harvested would pretty soon be shown to coloured brown and stink. Trump only thinks a deal is "fair" if it suits himself. A deal with the USA would only be done with him as POTUS if we agreed to accept tariff free farm goods in huge volumes and accept US agriculture standards, which we don't now. That would be resisted at many levels. Any fair deal for him would be one way traffic involving an expanded market for US goods and services.

Trump would like to see the EU broken up because it threatens his view of the world. That's why he is interfering and not because of any special regard for the UK. He is working over the gullible here just as he does in the USA.

Any true deal would take years to negotiate and not be done until long after the Trump disaster has been erased.

So according to Wisbech if you are Obama commenting on the Brexit affair you are just 'stating the truth'.

Whereas if you are Trump and commenting your are making, 'inflammatory statements' and 'interfering in our politics!'

'Trump is interfering. Obama was observing from a US perspective. The first is offensive. The second isn't.'

I think you guys are coming to the same conclusion that I did with this chap.

Hmm, on one hand a POTUS commented on a political point. On the other a POTUS appears to have tried to influence who will be the next Prime Minister. Of course these two things are the same.

In any case, get used to it. POTUS will be selecting our PMs from now on, whether directly or indirectly. The USA has longed for this day ever since it was formed.

Upon the contention of political interference this intervention is the same thing.

I of course had no real issues with Obama saying what he did, just as I have no issues with what Trump said.

I just commented on Wisbech's overt one eyed commentary......You know that of course which is why you jumped in over political tribalism....but that's cool....do it myself.

As for the usual anti US sentiment....sorry Maple, just as you are a EU-phile I'm a US-phile, while recognising issues as they come up and also supporting the EU skeptics/the right in the EU.

Americans are our cousins....well two thirds of them are.....and Trump actually cares about British sovereignty, while Obama wanted what you want.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2019 3.40pm)

I speak only for myself

Your naivety is breathtaking. Like everyone else, and certainly more than most, the US looks to its self-interests. You can ask a few countries south of the border. Trump nakedly admits that he is only interested in the welfare of the US. The UK is simply a resource as far as the US is concerned. That attitude also applies to the EU countries. The thing is that their objectives align a little more closely to ours.

Ah, cerebral hygiene rears its head again. There's only so much space in there.

Blimey, do you actually absorb the sh*te I write? I recommend you buy some mental floss quick.

I speak only for myself

Your naivety is breathtaking. Like everyone else, and certainly more than most, the US looks to its self-interests. You can ask a few countries south of the border. Trump nakedly admits that he is only interested in the welfare of the US. The UK is simply a resource as far as the US is concerned. That attitude also applies to the EU countries. The thing is that their objectives align a little more closely to ours.

So according to Wisbech if you are Obama commenting on the Brexit affair you are just 'stating the truth'.

Read what I wrote and then try to work out why what Obama said was true because it was stated carefully and diplomatically!

Whereas if you are Trump and commenting your are making, 'inflammatory statements' and 'interfering in our politics!'

Therein lies the difference. Trump has no understanding of diplomacy and just says whatever enters his head. Trump wasn't just commenting. He wants a Brexit and to support his sycophantic mate Farage so just just let it roll out without any thought as to the consequences or the upset it might cause.

'Trump is interfering. Obama was observing from a US perspective. The first is offensive. The second isn't.'

I think you guys are coming to the same conclusion that I did with this chap.

Well at least you didn't disappoint me! I had no expectation that you would understand the point I made and you clearly don't. Maybe some of the "other" guys (ie those without the blinkers on) have already come to the same conclusion about you that I have.