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| Hoof Hearted 25 Jun 16 1.09pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
No need to shout. Don't keep f***ing lying then! I explained about the £350 million message, but you're too thick and stubborn to understand just like you are with mathematics, a union rep who can't understand how a pension scheme operates FFS. You know I'll make you look a tw*t like I always do when you take me on. Don't play chess with a Master Gusset.
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
You need to get out more mate. Over 17 Million people agreed with me. Stop wetting your pants indoors with your tinhat on and get out into the big wide world and make your fortune using your wits and courage like I did. Just man up. Pathetic sound bites, this doesn't feel 'masterful' to me. I am more than manned up. I have made my own way in the world, I have studied in my own time, I have worked all over the world as hard as anyone and used my wits to get on. I am doing fine thank you. You and your ilk - along with me - have had a damn nice run. Now you are pulling up the drawbridge, whether or not you realise it. How many times must I say, I am not concerned for myself albeit I am flaming angry. I am deeply worried for our coming generations which have been screwed by a vanity project and a protest vote. Edited by Mapletree (25 Jun 2016 1.16pm)
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Maple - I have seen some ridiculous comments from Remain voters following the result. One on FB today said that the 'educated' voted Remain, the 'uneducated' voted out and that in future we should only give votes on important matters to 'educated' people. Imagine if a Kipper had said that? It is almost Rhosdesian to the core. I think everyone needs to go and have a few pints, share a bottle of Sancerre or enjoy a few single malts (whatever your poison), reflect and then get on with life on Monday. Nothing is going to change. A compromise deal with the EU will happen.
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Maple - I have seen some ridiculous comments from Remain voters following the result. One on FB today said that the 'educated' voted Remain, the 'uneducated' voted out and that in future we should only give votes on important matters to 'educated' people. Imagine if a Kipper had said that? It is almost Rhosdesian to the core. I think everyone needs to go and have a few pints, share a bottle of Sancerre or enjoy a few single malts (whatever your poison), reflect and then get on with life on Monday. Nothing is going to change. A compromise deal with the EU will happen. Frankly Matt you are the only person giving me any hope in this sorry affair. We simply can't afford to end up outside of the EU. Our irritations around bureaucracy and immigration will be as nothing compared to the economic damage. So I hope this is all a cunning plan by Boris to be Prime Minister and also force the EU to have us back on improved terms. But that all just sounds a bit far fetched.
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| Hoof Hearted 25 Jun 16 1.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Sportyteacher
Moodys has just downgraded UK Credit Outlook from 'stable' to 'negative': UK also has one of the largest budget deficits among advanced economies...thanks to Osborne's ceaseless borrowing to date. Balls would have borrowed more..... the latest Labour shadow chancellor has indicated he would too. So if Labour had got in we would be more in the sh1t. You can't win with you lefty types.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Next you will tell us that you are going to write a musical about it.
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Originally posted by susmik
Sore losers comes to mind !! Two words come to mind. Boaty McBoatface.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
An excellent read as always. It will take time for the disappointment that those who voted remain to disappear. Shame on those who have not been magnanimous in victory. But the remainers will come to terms with the result. The vote to exit was, IMHO, a protest vote against the political state we are in. Quite rightly people feel Westminster is out of touch with Joe Public despite politicians assertions that they are not. f***ING HELL Gusset you finally get it. Well done!!
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| Hoof Hearted 25 Jun 16 1.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Pathetic sound bites, this doesn't feel 'masterful' to me. I am more than manned up. I have made my own way in the world, I have studied in my own time, I have worked all over the world as hard as anyone and used my wits to get on. I am doing fine thank you. You and your ilk - along with me - have had a damn nice run. Now you are pulling up the drawbridge, whether or not you realise it. How many times must I say, I am not concerned for myself albeit I am flaming angry. I am deeply worried for our coming generations which have been screwed by a vanity project and a protest vote. Edited by Mapletree (25 Jun 2016 1.16pm) This is the same reaction to the decision not to ditch the pound and go with the EUro. "Oh God Help Us.... We'll be in the economic slow lane, whilst the Eurozone will be thriving and leaving us behind.... we cannot go it alone... financial madness to persevere with Sterling whilst the Germans etc adopt the Euro... Blah Blah" Tell us what happened Maple? I'll tell you what happened, our economy positively boomed against the pathetic Eurozone economy. Greece, Spain, Italy, Ireland nearly went bankrupt. Your children should thank me, not despise me. They will now possibly be able to afford to buy a house in the future (like I did as a 23 tear old in 1977). Under the EU, pressure on demand for housing by unfettered immigration has caused house prices to spiral upwards out of control. Under the EU your children would never be able to buy a house. I voted leave for my family's children, nothing more nothing less. I didn't expect to make money from Brexit, but due to my education I am savvy and quick witted and can make the most out of the cards dealt to me. Stop whingeing, start living. And stop frightening your kids you bully.
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Frankly Matt you are the only person giving me any hope in this sorry affair. We simply can't afford to end up outside of the EU. Our irritations around bureaucracy and immigration will be as nothing compared to the economic damage. So I hope this is all a cunning plan by Boris to be Prime Minister and also force the EU to have us back on improved terms. But that all just sounds a bit far fetched. Turnout amongst 18-15 year olds incidentally was a paltry 25%
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Looks like we will have some company now? Edited by susmik (25 Jun 2016 1.38pm)
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Frankly Matt you are the only person giving me any hope in this sorry affair. We simply can't afford to end up outside of the EU. Our irritations around bureaucracy and immigration will be as nothing compared to the economic damage. So I hope this is all a cunning plan by Boris to be Prime Minister and also force the EU to have us back on improved terms. But that all just sounds a bit far fetched. Clear heads need to be applied to this situation. We are the largest single export market for Germany. I don't believe that the German government will allow the EU to slap punitive tariffs on goods and services from the UK, fully in the knowledge that the UK government will do likewise. There will be job losses in Gelsenkirchen and Wolfsburg. I don't believe that the EU will want to alienate the City because it is the largest clearing house for the Euro. I don't believe the EU will want to alienate Brits living in Europe because of the number of its citizens living in the UK. I don't believe that the EU will want to cease close border security and intelligence cooperation. I read that something like 70% of Ireland's GDP is related to the UK. The Irish are going to petition Brussels to do something to ensure heir interests are protected. For all of these reasons, and there are plenty more if you dig into the internecine relationship between EU countries and the U.K., I firmly believe a deal will be hammered out. We, the voters, may not agree with it. Democracy and the result of the referendum needs to be respected. I doubt it will though.
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Originally posted by Mapletree
I have had a great deal of adversity in my life, the list would be long and boring. I just have (mostly) chosen not to bring that down upon myself. I do not assume I shall live longer than you, I hope my children will. But my blood pressure is good I am a realist, realistically this was an incredibly foolish move. Maybe we shall recover from it but my opinion is that is more of a hope than a strong likelihood. So now we have to work very hard and also hope. It didn't have to be this way. I understand that you would have chosen to remain based on your personal logic but not everyone shares that logic. You must accept that others, in fact the majority, didn't share your perspective for a variety of reasons.
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Gonna answer my questions/points Michael?
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| Hoof Hearted 25 Jun 16 1.48pm | |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Clear heads need to be applied to this situation. We are the largest single export market for Germany. I don't believe that the German government will allow the EU to slap punitive tariffs on goods and services from the UK, fully in the knowledge that the UK government will do likewise. There will be job losses in Gelsenkirchen and Wolfsburg. I don't believe that the EU will want to alienate the City because it is the largest clearing house for the Euro. I don't believe the EU will want to alienate Brits living in Europe because of the number of its citizens living in the UK. I don't believe that the EU will want to cease close border security and intelligence cooperation. I read that something like 70% of Ireland's GDP is related to the UK. The Irish are going to petition Brussels to do something to ensure heir interests are protected. For all of these reasons, and there are plenty more if you dig into the internecine relationship between EU countries and the U.K., I firmly believe a deal will be hammered out. We, the voters, may not agree with it. Democracy and the result of the referendum needs to be respected. I doubt it will though. The EU thought we were bluffing. They now know we weren't and just like the bully they sh1t themselves when someone hits back. This could well play out as you described Matt. If we had voted for Remain we would be up Sh1t Creek without a paddle now. Because we voted leave we have "Bargaining Chips" and we won't be asking Whimpy Cameroon to play them.
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Don't keep f***ing lying then! I explained about the £350 million message, but you're too thick and stubborn to understand just like you are with mathematics, a union rep who can't understand how a pension scheme operates FFS. You know I'll make you look a tw*t like I always do when you take me on. Don't play chess with a Master Gusset. Yes some saw through the 350 million lie but many many didn't and feel duped. I note you didn't comment on the UKIP mep's comment about free movement of Labour. I apologise for my comments yesterday. Was below the belt. Pensions are a bit stuffed ain't they with the fall in share prices.
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Originally posted by matt_himself
For all of these reasons, and there are plenty more if you dig into the internecine relationship between EU countries and the U.K., I firmly believe a deal will be hammered out. We, the voters, may not agree with it. Democracy and the result of the referendum needs to be respected. I doubt it will though. So you think that we are in a destructive relationship with other EU countries, but expect a (presumably amicable) deal to result? I would say that our relationships with the wealthier EU members are more mutually beneficial than destructive and that those countries will want to keep it that way, which the first part of your post seemed to indicate.
Bexley Dave Can you hear the Brighton sing? I can't hear a ******* thing! "The most arrogant, obnoxious bunch of deluded little sun tanned, loafer wearing mummy's boys I've ever had the misfortune of having to listen to" (Burnley forum) |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Clear heads need to be applied to this situation. We are the largest single export market for Germany. I don't believe that the German government will allow the EU to slap punitive tariffs on goods and services from the UK, fully in the knowledge that the UK government will do likewise. There will be job losses in Gelsenkirchen and Wolfsburg. I don't believe that the EU will want to alienate the City because it is the largest clearing house for the Euro. I don't believe the EU will want to alienate Brits living in Europe because of the number of its citizens living in the UK. I don't believe that the EU will want to cease close border security and intelligence cooperation. I read that something like 70% of Ireland's GDP is related to the UK. The Irish are going to petition Brussels to do something to ensure heir interests are protected. For all of these reasons, and there are plenty more if you dig into the internecine relationship between EU countries and the U.K., I firmly believe a deal will be hammered out. We, the voters, may not agree with it. Democracy and the result of the referendum needs to be respected. I doubt it will though. These are my concerns. The German economy would have much more to lose by the EU falling apart at the seams than it would be sending a message to other nations that life outside of the EU is fine and dandy. Power in numbers. They will perhaps all be wiling to take a medium sized hit in exchange for a dramtic effect on us. If we lose access to the single market or have tarrifs coming out of our ears germany will become Europes trading centre, so it's win - win for them to give us a hard time. Obama has reaffirmed his view that we are at the back of the queue. It's a view that makes sense surely since we stop being the convenient european single market access point we once were. It's in their interest to have a strong EU and so we can expect a transfer of empahsis to those nations. Will it be the end of the world for us? No life goes on either way but i fear our economy will take a huge long term big hit and I also dont think its realistic to imagine that immigration will drops to tens of thousands either, so the entire reason for voting out for many could prove to be pointless. Nothing would make be happier than to me wrong and for us long term to have control of numbers coming in and a strong economy so of course i just that i'm wrong and it works out for future generations. Like everyone really i dont know what will happen, these are just my concerns. Edited by blackpalacefan (25 Jun 2016 1.58pm)
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
The EU thought we were bluffing. This could well play out as you described Matt. If we had voted for Remain we would be up Sh1t Creek without a paddle now. Because we voted leave we have "Bargaining Chips" and we won't be asking Whimpy Cameroon to play them. Absolutely. But Cameron must have thought it was a virtual certainty that we would remain.
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