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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 23 8.02pm
Originally posted by Part Time James When people say "we don't want the BBC to follow a subscription model because the content is so good we'd hate to see it falter" they are only destroying their own argument. If the content is good a subscription model would succeed. If the content is bad it wouldn't be missed if it didn't succeed. It isn’t, and never has been, the argument. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 23 8.02pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

When people say "we don't want the BBC to follow a subscription model because the content is so good we'd hate to see it falter" they are only destroying their own argument. If the content is good a subscription model would succeed. If the content is bad it wouldn't be missed if it didn't succeed.

It isn’t, and never has been, the argument.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 23 8.08pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle No you can't. People pay for them voluntarily as opposed to under threat of prosecution. You pay to watch live TV. Avoid that and you can avoid the licence fee. Up to you. I think you would be much poorer but you can do it. The BBC will continue. It will be paid for by us in some way. Better not via taxation, which allows political pressure to be mounted. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 23 8.08pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

No you can't. People pay for them voluntarily as opposed to under threat of prosecution.

You pay to watch live TV.

Avoid that and you can avoid the licence fee. Up to you. I think you would be much poorer but you can do it.

The BBC will continue. It will be paid for by us in some way.

Better not via taxation, which allows political pressure to be mounted.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

nobody sussex 12 Jul 23 8.08pm
He hasn't committed any crime but his actions are un acceptable. Now 61 he can be retired on ill health grounds and disappear up his own valley and live quietly. we can then as a country get back to trying to dig up some dirt on smug Gary Lineker

nobody

sussex 12 Jul 23 8.08pm

He hasn't committed any crime but his actions are un acceptable.

Now 61 he can be retired on ill health grounds and disappear up his own valley and live quietly.

we can then as a country get back to trying to dig up some dirt on
smug Gary Lineker

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 12 Jul 23 8.10pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle No they aren’t. They are very much more than that. They are the window that the world views us through and a much envied source of truthful and objective reporting. We would be much diminished as a country if the BBC was reduced to the level you, and others, seem to regard them. You actually seriously believe that don't you? You seriously must live in some cloud cuckoo land if that's the case, i pity you. Still, at least you're down somewhere far away not to bother us. This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 12 Jul 23 8.10pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No they aren’t.

They are very much more than that. They are the window that the world views us through and a much envied source of truthful and objective reporting. We would be much diminished as a country if the BBC was reduced to the level you, and others, seem to regard them.

You actually seriously believe that don't you? You seriously must live in some cloud cuckoo land if that's the case, i pity you. Still, at least you're down somewhere far away not to bother us.

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

Part Time James 12 Jul 23 8.10pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle It isn’t, and never has been, the argument. No, I am saying people have made that argument. It is, and has been, the argument. Edited by Part Time James (12 Jul 2023 8.16pm) Edited by Part Time James (12 Jul 2023 8.17pm)

Part Time James

12 Jul 23 8.10pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It isn’t, and never has been, the argument.

No, I am saying people have made that argument. It is, and has been, the argument.

Edited by Part Time James (12 Jul 2023 8.16pm)

Edited by Part Time James (12 Jul 2023 8.17pm)

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 23 8.14pm
Originally posted by Spiderman The issues didn’t stop him working right up until last week. Neither did they stop him partying at a recent award ceremony. Complete coward by getting his wife to make the statement, she should be working on taking him for all she can get. Of course, he presumably is now on “sick leave” so still being paid and BBC cannot sack him, very clever This is the full statement from his wife. Are you suggesting she is lying? [Link] I didn’t know he has a history of depression. Did you? For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 23 8.14pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

The issues didn’t stop him working right up until last week. Neither did they stop him partying at a recent award ceremony. Complete coward by getting his wife to make the statement, she should be working on taking him for all she can get.
Of course, he presumably is now on “sick leave” so still being paid and BBC cannot sack him, very clever

This is the full statement from his wife. Are you suggesting she is lying?

[Link]

I didn’t know he has a history of depression. Did you?

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 12 Jul 23 8.15pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You pay to watch live TV. Avoid that and you can avoid the licence fee. Up to you. I think you would be much poorer but you can do it. The BBC will continue. It will be paid for by us in some way. Better not via taxation, which allows political pressure to be mounted. Poorer for not spending Christmas night watching EastEnders, Strictly Come Dancing and a 50 year old episode of Dad's Army? I think I'll cope.

Teddy Eagle

12 Jul 23 8.15pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You pay to watch live TV.

Avoid that and you can avoid the licence fee. Up to you. I think you would be much poorer but you can do it.

The BBC will continue. It will be paid for by us in some way.

Better not via taxation, which allows political pressure to be mounted.

Poorer for not spending Christmas night watching EastEnders, Strictly Come Dancing and a 50 year old episode of Dad's Army? I think I'll cope.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 23 8.16pm
Originally posted by Part Time James No, I am saying people have made that argument. It, it, and, has, been, the, argument. Anyone who does is misrepresenting the actual reasoning. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 23 8.16pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

No, I am saying people have made that argument. It, it, and, has, been, the, argument.

Anyone who does is misrepresenting the actual reasoning.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 12 Jul 23 8.18pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I don’t know, anymore than anyone does, on who knew what and when. There has been loads of speculation and I don’t doubt people must have realised later that the behaviour they recall now seems dodgy. I never met Savile but I bought a house from somebody who knew him well and whose daughter spent a lot of time in Stoke Mandeville Hospital. The stories she told me then now seem very creepy but at the time he was a national hero, raising funds for the hospital, working as a porter and getting us all to clunk-click. He duped everyone. I am much less informed about Hall but unless someone had made a complaint about Savile what were the BBC supposed to do back then? Today it would be different. A few people knew. [Link]

Teddy Eagle

12 Jul 23 8.18pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don’t know, anymore than anyone does, on who knew what and when. There has been loads of speculation and I don’t doubt people must have realised later that the behaviour they recall now seems dodgy.

I never met Savile but I bought a house from somebody who knew him well and whose daughter spent a lot of time in Stoke Mandeville Hospital. The stories she told me then now seem very creepy but at the time he was a national hero, raising funds for the hospital, working as a porter and getting us all to clunk-click. He duped everyone. I am much less informed about Hall but unless someone had made a complaint about Savile what were the BBC supposed to do back then? Today it would be different.

A few people knew.

[Link]

Part Time James 12 Jul 23 8.19pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Anyone who does is misrepresenting the actual reasoning. Right, but it was them that I was referring to rather than your good self. Up until recently I hadn't heard of you.

Part Time James

12 Jul 23 8.19pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Anyone who does is misrepresenting the actual reasoning.

Right, but it was them that I was referring to rather than your good self. Up until recently I hadn't heard of you.

Spiderman Horsham 12 Jul 23 8.35pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle This is the full statement from his wife. Are you suggesting she is lying? [Link] I didn’t know he has a history of depression. Did you? Do you know she isn’t?

Spiderman

Horsham 12 Jul 23 8.35pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This is the full statement from his wife. Are you suggesting she is lying?

[Link]

I didn’t know he has a history of depression. Did you?

Do you know she isn’t?

Stirlingsays 12 Jul 23 8.39pm
As long as they can get to the bottom of this....if you forgive the pun.....and ascertain what really happened with objectivity (something I regard the BBC as very selective on) then there will be fairness to all parties. I've often made that point that people need to live their principles and this is an illustration of the public's instinctive rejection of hypocrisy. That related principle that people given positions of trust need to embody the image they present as....not be the opposite of what they present. I read the message his wife put out. If that is true that Edwards has been suffering with deep depression for years, I'd question the judgement of putting him into the public eye.....Also, being depressed isn't exactly connected to being sexually exploitative so it doesn't quite fit unless she's trying to say he's judgement impaired......Which could be an excuse any criminal could use for example. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Jul 23 8.39pm

As long as they can get to the bottom of this....if you forgive the pun.....and ascertain what really happened with objectivity (something I regard the BBC as very selective on) then there will be fairness to all parties.

I've often made that point that people need to live their principles and this is an illustration of the public's instinctive rejection of hypocrisy. That related principle that people given positions of trust need to embody the image they present as....not be the opposite of what they present.

I read the message his wife put out. If that is true that Edwards has been suffering with deep depression for years, I'd question the judgement of putting him into the public eye.....Also, being depressed isn't exactly connected to being sexually exploitative so it doesn't quite fit unless she's trying to say he's judgement impaired......Which could be an excuse any criminal could use for example.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

steeleye20 Croydon 12 Jul 23 8.48pm
'It's all gone quiet, over there'. The Sun (yuk) says it has no plans to publish further allegations about Huw Edwards and will co-operate with BBC investigation.

steeleye20

Croydon 12 Jul 23 8.48pm

'It's all gone quiet, over there'.

The Sun (yuk) says it has no plans to publish further allegations about Huw Edwards and will co-operate with BBC investigation.

Wilesy01 Bristol 12 Jul 23 8.49pm
It would be nice to properly understand the facts around this story as the Sun have not been a reliable source of information which is rather ridiculous considering they're the outlet who broke the news. I can also do without the moralising from politicians looking to leverage this for scoring points against the beeb. At last count there are 57 active complaints against politicians for sexual misconduct (all parties) so those in glass houses... Edited by Wilesy01 (12 Jul 2023 8.50pm)

Wilesy01

Bristol 12 Jul 23 8.49pm

It would be nice to properly understand the facts around this story as the Sun have not been a reliable source of information which is rather ridiculous considering they're the outlet who broke the news.

I can also do without the moralising from politicians looking to leverage this for scoring points against the beeb. At last count there are 57 active complaints against politicians for sexual misconduct (all parties) so those in glass houses...

Edited by Wilesy01 (12 Jul 2023 8.50pm)

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 Jul 23 9.37pm
Paedos and perverts aren't mentally normal. The reason no more is published is police investigation. Again, more subterfuge. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 12 Jul 23 9.37pm

Paedos and perverts aren't mentally normal. The reason no more is published is police investigation. Again, more subterfuge.

Red and Blue Army!

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 23 9.57pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 You actually seriously believe that don't you? You seriously must live in some cloud cuckoo land if that's the case, i pity you. Still, at least you're down somewhere far away not to bother us. I live in the real world. One I have travelled in a great deal. I know how our BBC is regarded elsewhere. In only in little pockets of the biased right do they think as you seem to. The BBC is one of our greatest achievements and probably our biggest asset. Those who seek its destruction should read Simon Jordan’s book. At least as far as the cover. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 23 9.57pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

You actually seriously believe that don't you? You seriously must live in some cloud cuckoo land if that's the case, i pity you. Still, at least you're down somewhere far away not to bother us.

I live in the real world. One I have travelled in a great deal. I know how our BBC is regarded elsewhere. In only in little pockets of the biased right do they think as you seem to. The BBC is one of our greatest achievements and probably our biggest asset. Those who seek its destruction should read Simon Jordan’s book. At least as far as the cover.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 23 10.03pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Do you know she isn’t? No, but until there is evidence to the contrary I assume she is telling the truth. No doubt there will be some corroboration or it would have been a stupid thing to say. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 23 10.03pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Do you know she isn’t?

No, but until there is evidence to the contrary I assume she is telling the truth. No doubt there will be some corroboration or it would have been a stupid thing to say.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Mapletree Croydon 12 Jul 23 10.07pm
Originally posted by Spiderman The issues didn’t stop him working right up until last week. Neither did they stop him partying at a recent award ceremony. Complete coward by getting his wife to make the statement, she should be working on taking him for all she can get. Of course, he presumably is now on “sick leave” so still being paid and BBC cannot sack him, very clever God you are sad [Link] The Sun knew this but still chose to use him as a sacrificial lamb to get at the BBC, which it hates.

Mapletree

Croydon 12 Jul 23 10.07pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

God you are sad

[Link]

The Sun knew this but still chose to use him as a sacrificial lamb to get at the BBC, which it hates.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 23 10.18pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle A few people knew. [Link] Did you read the whole of that link? It exonerates the BBC as a whole whilst saying a few people had noticed behaviour that ought to have been reported. That it wasn’t isn’t the fault of the BBC and, in my opinion, not really the fault of the people either. Those were different days and judging yesterday by today’s standards via hindsight might make the self righteous feel vindicated but isn’t actually very helpful. Looking back on what I was told at the time if I heard anything similar today I would definitely report it. Back then I thought this lady is an adult, they are her daughters so none of my business and if I had gone to the police they would have either laughed it off or arrested me for defaming a national treasure. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (12 Jul 2023 10.25pm) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 12 Jul 23 10.18pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

A few people knew.

[Link]

Did you read the whole of that link?

It exonerates the BBC as a whole whilst saying a few people had noticed behaviour that ought to have been reported. That it wasn’t isn’t the fault of the BBC and, in my opinion, not really the fault of the people either. Those were different days and judging yesterday by today’s standards via hindsight might make the self righteous feel vindicated but isn’t actually very helpful.

Looking back on what I was told at the time if I heard anything similar today I would definitely report it. Back then I thought this lady is an adult, they are her daughters so none of my business and if I had gone to the police they would have either laughed it off or arrested me for defaming a national treasure.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (12 Jul 2023 10.25pm)

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 12 Jul 23 10.34pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Did you read the whole of that link? It exonerates the BBC as a whole whilst saying a few people had noticed behaviour that ought to have been reported. That it wasn’t isn’t the fault of the BBC and, in my opinion, not really the fault of the people either. Those were different days and judging yesterday by today’s standards via hindsight might make the self righteous feel vindicated but isn’t actually very helpful. Looking back on what I was told at the time if I heard anything similar today I would definitely report it. Back then I thought this lady is an adult, they are her daughters so none of my business and if I had gone to the police they would have either laughed it off or arrested me for defaming a national treasure. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (12 Jul 2023 10.25pm) As long as the children involved take comfort from this conspiracy of silence.

Teddy Eagle

12 Jul 23 10.34pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Did you read the whole of that link?

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (12 Jul 2023 10.25pm)

As long as the children involved take comfort from this conspiracy of silence.

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