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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 30 Jul 17 10.22pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

FFS. Can't you tell the difference between people that are innocently just being themselves in consensual relationships and people that abuse children.

Jeeze, maybe it simply isn't worth defending this site.

I'm asking a question you plumb

 

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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 30 Jul 17 10.24pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

FFS. Can't you tell the difference between people that are innocently just being themselves in consensual relationships and people that abuse children.

Jeeze, maybe it simply isn't worth defending this site.

Why don't you look at the message I was replying to , rather than trying to make a point yourself?

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 30 Jul 17 10.42pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Casual

I'm asking a question you plumb

*plum*

 


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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 30 Jul 17 10.49pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

*plum*

Plum, plumb. You the spelling police rudi?

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 30 Jul 17 10.58pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by becky

Is it?

How many professional footballers have ever come out (before, during or after their careers)? Fashanu was one, but any others?

How many professional rugby players (apart from Gareth Thomas) likewise?

I've played with lots of footballers and none are gay. I would've heard that they are gay and came out if they did at some point. I doubt any have had any homosexual encounters either. 2 spit roasted a cheap sl&g who had little respect for herself once but that's as close as they got to each other.

I knew a load of rugby players through someone I knew and none of them were gay. It was just one club of a few XV's mind you but not one gay man.

I've worked with 2 or more gay men. Can remember 2 in different places. May be more but it's no big issue so may have forgotten of any other(s). One gay man in an all male environment used to get 'woo hoo' and 'cooey' all the time but he took it and I'd say encouraged it with the camp sailor ring tone on his phone. Helps being respected on merit too.

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 30 Jul 17 11.00pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Casual

Why don't you look at the message I was replying to , rather than trying to make a point yourself?

Why don't you look at the context. Man just bravely told you his story. He was attacked and hurt.

You of course wrote thanking him for sharing his story and commiserating on his difficulties. You then picked up on his point about people being randomly abusive upsets innocent bystanders and agreed that is just not on. Or...

Your only response was implying not being abusive about homosexuals out of concern for others is the same as not being abusive to paedophiles.

You damson.

 

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View lanepe1's Profile lanepe1 Flag Portslade 30 Jul 17 11.09pm Send a Private Message to lanepe1 Add lanepe1 as a friend

MODS please can you remove this person from this site, his profile pic is belittling gay people

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I've played with lots of footballers and none are gay. I would've heard that they are gay and came out if they did at some point. I doubt any have had any homosexual encounters either. 2 spit roasted a cheap sl&g who had little respect for herself once but that's as close as they got to each other.

I knew a load of rugby players through someone I knew and none of them were gay. It was just one club of a few XV's mind you but not one gay man.

I've worked with 2 or more gay men. Can remember 2 in different places. May be more but it's no big issue so may have forgotten of any other(s). One gay man in an all male environment used to get 'woo hoo' and 'cooey' all the time but he took it and I'd say encouraged it with the camp sailor ring tone on his phone. Helps being respected on merit too.

 

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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 30 Jul 17 11.11pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Why don't you look at the context. Man just bravely told you his story. He was attacked and hurt.

You of course wrote thanking him for sharing his story and commiserating on his difficulties. You then picked up on his point about people being randomly abusive upsets innocent bystanders and agreed that is just not on. Or...

Your only response was implying not being abusive about homosexuals out of concern for others is the same as not being abusive to paedophiles.

You damson.

 

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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 30 Jul 17 11.13pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Why don't you look at the context. Man just bravely told you his story. He was attacked and hurt.

You of course wrote thanking him for sharing his story and commiserating on his difficulties. You then picked up on his point about people being randomly abusive upsets innocent bystanders and agreed that is just not on. Or...

Your only response was implying not being abusive about homosexuals out of concern for others is the same as not being abusive to paedophiles.

You damson.

I was replying to north Wales eagles, nothing to do with your /anyone else's thread.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 30 Jul 17 11.17pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by lanepe1

MODS please can you remove this person from this site, his profile pic is belittling gay people

Why don't you change your user name to Mr Thought Police.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 30 Jul 17 11.18pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by lanepe1

MODS please can you remove this person from this site, his profile pic is belittling gay people

Who the **** do you think you are?

 


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View Goldfiinger's Profile Goldfiinger Flag Just down the road 30 Jul 17 11.20pm Send a Private Message to Goldfiinger Add Goldfiinger as a friend

Originally posted by lanepe1

I have not commented on the thread since Thursday, as you can see from my history that I do not comment on many threats. I am more interested in viewing transfer news and general news for my club. My main hope it we progress in the league.

But since I saw the documentary I felt I wanted as many CPFC fans to see it for its overall message. I also wanted any abusive messages removed.

As Brighton are in the premier league next season, there will be increased spotlight against homophobic chants, and I do not want my club to be the centre of this and if we are having this discussion before the start of the season to change views, it is all the better.

I am pleased that most posts are against homophobic messages on all sites, and I feel that this is clear the majority CPFC fans.

But there are some posts that do concern me regarding that this is still banter and I would like to mention the impact of indirect discrimination.

As background, the first FA cup final I saw on TV at the age of 11 was CPFC vs MUFC, and this is how I became a CPFC supporter. (My father & mother did not have not club, but my granddads were Arsenal and Leicester fans, but the 3-3 final meant I was for CPFC)
I became a season ticket holder in the 00-01 season, I knew I was gay, but out to no one. The season ticket holder next to me on several occasions shared homophobic views to players, (not towards me), which did upset me, I was 20 at the time and felt I could not renew my season ticket.

I have been to CPFC matches over the years, but my last match was the meeting at the AMEX in 2013 vs Brighton. The level for homophobic language was the highest I heard.

Away from CPFC. I have been physically attacked (which included verbal discrimination) in the street twice in Brighton 2001 and in 2009 (I live in Brighton) for being gay (because of holding hands with my partner on a Saturday night), by some groups of young men, I needed medical treatment and so did they and reported to the police. To be clear I am no way saying that this is CPFC fans or even football fans.

Considering the attacks and because what I heard in my season ticket year and at the AMEX, I did not renew my season ticket and I have not seen a match live since, even though the two are not linked. This is because I can be home and watch matches and not have the possibility of hearing something that will make be uncomfortable.

Indirect homophobia “banter” between straight men on a match day, does not affect them. But to the 5%-10% of the population, that are gay, this does have an impact, and does influence the decisions they make. Such as coming out as a player or going to matches.

I expect every gay man or women have heard the “banter” used directly towards them in a very personal way.

Everyone in life should consider, not what am I saying to the person I am talking to, but who is also hearing and seeing what I am saying, and the possible unknown impact on them.

Massive respect for posting, back on page 9 i posted regarding how i knew of someone also deeply effected by homophobic 'banter'.

It must be deeply saddening to have to turn your back on the things you enjoy and love because of how others have made you feel.

I implore everyone to try to understand how other gay or lesbian fans would feel should a chores of homophobic chanting break out during this seasons games. It really is time for it to stop.

Lets not go from being the best fans in the league to the worst. We can out sing every team without this bulls***.

 

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