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palace99  New Mills 01 Mar 21 10.01am |
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Originally posted by Willo
Benteke is not one to make darts to the near post to get on the end of a cross, he waits at the far post as we witnessed against Brighton! i refer you to his goal v WBA - near post 'dart' and header. My conclusion after watching his lack of movement for the last 4 years is that for much of the time he just can't be bothered. The lingering at the far post 'tactic' hoping that 2 or 3 defenders miss it first has worked once in the last 4 years!
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 Melbourne Eagle  Melbourne 01 Mar 21 10.05am |
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Originally posted by Willo
Benteke is not one to make darts to the near post to get on the end of a cross, he waits at the far post as we witnessed against Brighton! Tekkers scored near post headers at both WBA and West Ham this season.
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Den1923  01 Mar 21 10.08am |
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Originally posted by palace99
i refer you to his goal v WBA - near post 'dart' and header. My conclusion after watching his lack of movement for the last 4 years is that for much of the time he just can't be bothered. The lingering at the far post 'tactic' hoping that 2 or 3 defenders miss it first has worked once in the last 4 years! Sums him up very well, no vision,slow,no floor skills, does not work defenders off and on the ball, more suited to his tea cakes and tea shop than trying to be professional football striker. If the sale of goods applied to him we should have asked for our money back
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| TheBigToePunt 01 Mar 21 10.08am |
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Originally posted by Willo
Benteke is not one to make darts to the near post to get on the end of a cross, he waits at the far post as we witnessed against Brighton! The thing is Willo, he doesn't attack the ball at the back post either, he just waits there in the hope that the ball will evade everyone else and land exactly on his head. Never mind the fact that he mostly misses those few crosses that do arrive right on his head, the real issue is that most crosses will not land right on his head, but are still perfectly good service. By hiding behind the defender he wastes the vast majority of crosses overall. Pulling off to the back post is a good strategy for a forward, as the defender can't see you and the ball at the same time, whereas the forward can see the ball, the defender, the goal and any space that might be available to burst into. It gives the forward all the advantages associated with a cross. From there you can either attack a deep, back post ball, or you can time you movement and dart in front of the defender - i.e attacking the front post, or even just the space in front of the defender. Benteke did it at Leicester last year, when he headed the ball down into the middle of the goal and got lucky to score. He has it in him (or did have), but just doesn't even try. Edited by TheBigToePunt (01 Mar 2021 10.10am)
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| Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 01 Mar 21 10.41am |
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Originally posted by palace99
i refer you to his goal v WBA - near post 'dart' and header. My conclusion after watching his lack of movement for the last 4 years is that for much of the time he just can't be bothered. The lingering at the far post 'tactic' hoping that 2 or 3 defenders miss it first has worked once in the last 4 years! Agreed, and he either can't be bothered or he just doesn't have a football brain that is alert enough to anticipate where to go. He needs to go.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Mar 21 10.51am |
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Originally posted by Melbourne Eagle
Tekkers scored near post headers at both WBA and West Ham this season. I believe that I did comment about his near-post header in the WBA game and that it was unusual for him to be in this position.
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Goal Machine  The Cronx 01 Mar 21 11.08am |
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I'm willing to back Benteke, as in my opinion he is one of, if not the most, dangerous strikers in the air in the league. I regularly bang on about it on these threads that we never cross the ball and that is where he will score goals. I finally decided to look up the stats on this today for the first time and am not surprised we are 18th in the table for crosses: [Link] I agree that his movement could be better, but it is clearly tactical that we don't purposely don't cross, and if we did, I'm sure he would be working harder on his movement in training. With the limitations in our squad, to me this seems an obvious way to create chances. If he doesn't win it its up to the midfielders to create something from the second ball.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Mar 21 11.16am |
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Originally posted by Goal Machine
I'm willing to back Benteke, as in my opinion he is one of, if not the most, dangerous strikers in the air in the league. I regularly bang on about it on these threads that we never cross the ball and that is where he will score goals. I finally decided to look up the stats on this today for the first time and am not surprised we are 18th in the table for crosses: [Link] I agree that his movement could be better, but it is clearly tactical that we don't purposely don't cross, and if we did, I'm sure he would be working harder on his movement in training. With the limitations in our squad, to me this seems an obvious way to create chances. If he doesn't win it its up to the midfielders to create something from the second ball. A total of 37% of Benteke's goals in the PL have come from headers.
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| TheBigToePunt 01 Mar 21 11.24am |
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Originally posted by Goal Machine
I'm willing to back Benteke, as in my opinion he is one of, if not the most, dangerous strikers in the air in the league. I regularly bang on about it on these threads that we never cross the ball and that is where he will score goals. I finally decided to look up the stats on this today for the first time and am not surprised we are 18th in the table for crosses: [Link] I agree that his movement could be better, but it is clearly tactical that we don't purposely don't cross, and if we did, I'm sure he would be working harder on his movement in training. With the limitations in our squad, to me this seems an obvious way to create chances. If he doesn't win it its up to the midfielders to create something from the second ball. There is a good argument that we could build to Benteke's strengths by crossing more, but it's a chicken and egg situation. He doesn't make runs as he doesn't expect crosses, the others don't cross it as he doesn't make runs when they do. On Sunday it was very much the latter, and he also against Burnley when Clyne put in a couple of very useful crosses. In any event, scoring headers usually adds up to less than 20% of all goals scored, so I would argue that: 1. Benteke needs to do more to get goals outside of relying on crosses to this head. 2. Playing (for example) Zaha on the right wing and asking him to cross it may be a far less useful plan than playing him on the left and letting him cut inside. That said, I do think that if we had more possession and territory, we could have the best of both. Zaha and Eze can cut inside, and the full backs can overlap and cross it. Mitchell seems quite useful in that respect. Edited by TheBigToePunt (01 Mar 2021 11.47am)
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| Eaglecoops CR3 01 Mar 21 11.32am |
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Originally posted by Willo
A total of 37% of Benteke's goals in the PL have come from headers. If my maths are correct that works out to around 2 headed goals per season for us (based on his 25 total). It’s not really a devastatingly dangerous stat as there will be numerous centre halfs who will score the same or more than that in a season.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 01 Mar 21 11.36am |
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| TheBigToePunt 01 Mar 21 11.49am |
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Originally posted by Willo
Some truly terrifying stats on that Willo. He only hits the target 39% of the time, and has missed more big chances than he's scored from in his career.
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| southnorwoodhill 01 Mar 21 12.06pm |
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To summarize: He's s***, a complete waste of resources and the sooner he's gone the better.
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| TheBigToePunt 01 Mar 21 12.19pm |
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Originally posted by southnorwoodhill
To summarize: He's s***, a complete waste of resources and the sooner he's gone the better. Yes but it's nice to be able to show it statistically! I actually remain of the view that the paucity of his performances and output is really only relative to his cost, and to who else we can get. If we can get a better player, then I'll take Benteke to the Council tip (or recycling centre as it is now) myself. If we can't get someone better, well, as painful as it is, we may have to hold on to him, albeit only if he will accept reduced wages. And I do mean greatly reduced, as appropriate to the author of those awful stats.
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| palace99 New Mills 01 Mar 21 12.46pm |
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Originally posted by palace99
my last comment on Tekkers. First year goal v Middlesboro - far post header, rose early, aggressively out jumping defender Same season v Hull from corner - gambled run to near post and powered home from a few yards out Same season v Sunderland last minute. Hung back, waited for free kick and then run onto cross and powered home. Same season v Everton - from almost edge of box got between the 2 centre backs and headed home. He is not making these runs as regularly now, although still has it somewhere in his locker, as the one header from corner/free kick in 2nd half showed yesterday. May have been the only header he won all game.
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AERO | Badger11 Beckenham 01 Mar 21 1.18pm |
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The way we play we need strikers who can make goals for themselves.
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| Goal Machine The Cronx 01 Mar 21 3.28pm |
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt
There is a good argument that we could build to Benteke's strengths by crossing more, but it's a chicken and egg situation. He doesn't make runs as he doesn't expect crosses, the others don't cross it as he doesn't make runs when they do. On Sunday it was very much the latter, and he also against Burnley when Clyne put in a couple of very useful crosses. In any event, scoring headers usually adds up to less than 20% of all goals scored, so I would argue that: 1. Benteke needs to do more to get goals outside of relying on crosses to this head. 2. Playing (for example) Zaha on the right wing and asking him to cross it may be a far less useful plan than playing him on the left and letting him cut inside. That said, I do think that if we had more possession and territory, we could have the best of both. Zaha and Eze can cut inside, and the full backs can overlap and cross it. Mitchell seems quite useful in that respect. Edited by TheBigToePunt (01 Mar 2021 11.47am) I don't think its a chicken and egg situation. I think its a case of changing attacking tactics to say, right we've got two big target men in Benteke and Matata, lets change our build up play to find space on the wings and whip it in. Now we know the tactics, lets do some work with Benteke and Matata to improve their movement in the box. At the moment, he's probably not working on his movement as he knows he gonna get many crosses.
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